Opinions on Muslim Ban

[Nacesa Plana]

True. Like I said. It's a nice to start to eliminate the most important cause.

So, we ban homo sapiens from the US?

I can get down with this.

You can be a happy, productive human sapiens without a religion too. There's no need for a religion. But there's clearly a need for no religions at all.

So no, don’t kill the sapiens. Focus on killing religion.

[Azurius]

Every religion is an ideology too.
One that can turn a soft nice man into a cruel killer.

Just because another isn’t believing in your invisible imaginary friend. Or just because another is believing in your invisible imaginary friend differently.

Billions of people are killed in the name of god or the gods.

And it will not fix itself. As long religions are alive, we will kill each other. A lot.

Of course we go to war for other reasons as well. But it’s a nice start to eliminate the most important cause.

Outright not true. The total number of people killed in warfare throughout the entirety of history isn't anywhere close to one billion. In fact, IIRC, the Second World War alone (a war of secular ideologies) killed more than every religious war in history. Combined.

No my friend that is false, sorry. Since we do not have all records all we have are estimated numbers, however, experts estimate the following numbers:

About 1 billion people died because of christianity. Another 700 million via islam. These 2 religions alone killed more then anything except for capitalism, add other religions to it as well and you easily get numbers that even go higher then the deaths created by capitalism.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So, we ban homo sapiens from the US?

I can get down with this.

You can be a happy, productive human sapiens without a religion too. There's no need for a religion. But there's clearly a need for no religions at all.

So no, don’t kill the sapiens. Focus on killing religion.

Nah, just deport the sapiens. They bring drugs, crime, and some of them are good people.

[Nacesa Plana]

You can be a happy, productive human sapiens without a religion too. There's no need for a religion. But there's clearly a need for no religions at all.

So no, don’t kill the sapiens. Focus on killing religion.

Nah, just deport the sapiens. They bring drugs, crime, and some of them are good people.

I certainly believe that sapiens would be better people without a religion.
We would kill each other less.

Religions keep people stupid, ignorant and submissive. It’s just a tool to rule above other people.

I wish nobody invented a religion. And yes it’s invented just like an axe, printing, a car or the internet.
It’s the worst invention since ever.

[Individual Concerns]

You can be a happy, productive human sapiens without a religion too. There's no need for a religion. But there's clearly a need for no religions at all.
So no, don’t kill the sapiens. Focus on killing religion.

Only if you kill the rest of politics with it.
Otherwise you are mostly right despite your fundamentalist opinion.

[New Chalcedon]

Hey, let's validate all the Muslim extremists who've been saying it's Islam vs. Christianity! Let's prove them all right! Surely, no harm can possibly come of this?

[Arachaea]

Muslims shouldn't be banned from the US - All that's going to do is make terrorism worse, as Muslims already in the US will feel excluded from society and be drawn towards terrorism as a result of that. And terrorist groups will launch attacks on the US.

[Hesse Darmstadt]

Outright not true. The total number of people killed in warfare throughout the entirety of history isn't anywhere close to one billion. In fact, IIRC, the Second World War alone (a war of secular ideologies) killed more than every religious war in history. Combined.

No my friend that is false, sorry. Since we do not have all records all we have are estimated numbers, however, experts estimate the following numbers:

About 1 billion people died because of christianity. Another 700 million via islam. These 2 religions alone killed more then anything except for capitalism, add other religions to it as well and you easily get numbers that even go higher then the deaths created by capitalism.

Please get sources to try and prove your point.

[Hesse Darmstadt]

Muslims shouldn't be banned from the US - All that's going to do is make terrorism worse, as Muslims already in the US will feel excluded from society and be drawn towards terrorism as a result of that. And terrorist groups will launch attacks on the US.

Um, terrorist groups already attack the US though.

[Lady Scylla]

So in light of Donald Trump as the Republican Nominee, the Muslim ban as once again come under fire and support. With the rise of terrorists and terror attacks, the opinion on Muslims have dipped. My opinion is that when you bar certain people and or make them feel like they are dangerous, they will strike back. A good example being the French Wars of Religion. If we alienate Muslims, terrorists will seek to radicalize them. But I do support making the vetting process stronger.

What is your opinion, NationStates?

Greater transparency between government bodies, and national governments over those on watchlists, including a travel suspension from war torn countries makes sense. Targeting people based on their religion does not, and will only enable groups like the IS. Trump is IS's greatest recruiter.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Nah, just deport the sapiens. They bring drugs, crime, and some of them are good people.

I certainly believe that sapiens would be better people without a religion.
We would kill each other less.

Religions keep people stupid, ignorant and submissive. It’s just a tool to rule above other people.

I wish nobody invented a religion. And yes it’s invented just like an axe, printing, a car or the internet.
It’s the worst invention since ever.

Radical versions of religion, yes.

I still stand by my opinion that religion at its very core should bring people together and that it is a good thing.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Yes, let's play right into Daesh's hands and actively persecute Muslims in the west. What could possibly go wrong?

[Nacesa Plana]

You can be a happy, productive human sapiens without a religion too. There's no need for a religion. But there's clearly a need for no religions at all.
So no, don’t kill the sapiens. Focus on killing religion.

Only if you kill the rest of politics with it.
Otherwise you are mostly right despite your fundamentalist opinion.

If no one ever invented a religion, we would be probably driving in flying cars today and the technological singularity happened already 500 or maybe even 1000 years ago.

We would have saved countless of human lives and tons of economic resources and infrastructure. We would have saved enormous mountains of money.

Also the intellectual progress would be completely different. Tons of smart people wasted their life on studying and understanding something pointless as the imaginary invisible man living high in the sky.

IMHO, they could have spent their brainpower to better stuff.

[The Gamindustrian Union]

If you want to halt terrorism, you need to improve the screening process.

[Narland]

So in light of Donald Trump as the Republican Nominee, the Muslim ban as once again come under fire and support. With the rise of terrorists and terror attacks, the opinion on Muslims have dipped. My opinion is that when you bar certain people and or make them feel like they are dangerous, they will strike back. A good example being the French Wars of Religion. If we alienate Muslims, terrorists will seek to radicalize them. But I do support making the vetting process stronger.

What is your opinion, NationStates?

We banned Mormons for their belligerence, sedition, lawlessness and polygamy until they squared themselves away. The army base outside Salt Lake City was the only one that had its guns pointing at the city instead of away from it to protect it like other cities. In my state neighboring directly to the North the only people who could not vote were felons, the mentally infirm, and Mormons.

[Mericoa]

Ban immigrants for terrorist hot spots like Iraq, Iran, Syria, Somalia,Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.

[Transoxthraxia]

Necessary.

That is my opinion.

[Ifreann]

Necessary.

That is my opinion.

Your opinion is wrong.

[Transoxthraxia]

Necessary.

That is my opinion.

Your opinion is wrong.

I will allow you to have your opinion on mine, despite me disagreeing with it.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Ban immigrants for terrorist hot spots like Iraq, Iran, Syria, Somalia,Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.

So, deny millions of potential tourists from your economy?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Necessary.

That is my opinion.

But, how would you do it?

[Nacesa Plana]

I certainly believe that sapiens would be better people without a religion.
We would kill each other less.

Religions keep people stupid, ignorant and submissive. It’s just a tool to rule above other people.

I wish nobody invented a religion. And yes it’s invented just like an axe, printing, a car or the internet.
It’s the worst invention since ever.

Radical versions of religion, yes.

I still stand by my opinion that religion at its very core should bring people together and that it is a good thing.

It only brings people together who believe more or less in the same god or gods.
And even in that case, they manage to butthurt and kill each other.

Sunni versus Shia
Catholic versus Protestant

Just to call some names.

Religion separates people more as it brings them together. Relgion is evil. Without a doubt.

[Radiatia]

I don't think banning Muslims is a good idea, at all. It reminds me of the 19th century/early 20th century hysteria over Catholics, quite frankly.

I will add however my surprise that I've talked to Muslim friends about it and, weirdly enough, they support it - the rationale being that many of them don't want large numbers of Muslims coming to western countries because "that's what we left behind and most of them don't integrate."

This is the one area where I strongly object to Donald Trump's views - if it wasn't for this I'd probably fully support him.

[Vassenor]

Radical versions of religion, yes.

I still stand by my opinion that religion at its very core should bring people together and that it is a good thing.

It only brings people together who believe more or less in the same god or gods.
And even in that case, they manage to butthurt and kill each other.

Sunni versus Shia
Catholic versus Protestant

Just to call some names.

Religion separates people more as it brings them together. Relgion is evil. Without a doubt.

>Catholic versus Protestant

Has that actually killed anyone since the death of Mary I?

[Hesse Darmstadt]

Radical versions of religion, yes.

I still stand by my opinion that religion at its very core should bring people together and that it is a good thing.

It only brings people together who believe more or less in the same god or gods.
And even in that case, they manage to butthurt and kill each other.

Sunni versus Shia
Catholic versus Protestant

Just to call some names.

Religion separates people more as it brings them together. Relgion is evil. Without a doubt.

Atheism is evil, without a doubt.