Opinions on Muslim Ban

[Senegalboy]

More people believe in religion than people of no faith

So?

A poster said that to deport all people of faith but I reminded him/her that there are more people of faith than people of no faith so reporting all people of faith is impossible

[Ifreann]

You're proposing to murder almost everyone on Earth.

That's silly.

No. I'm not. We could give them an offer they can't refuse.

• They are forced to take psychiatric treatment. Often you can cure from a delusional disorder.
• Or we'll send them to the moon.

The religious ones killed enough people on the planet. Enough is enough.

You're proposing to torture or murder almost everyone on Earth an apparently willing to spend a nonsensical amount of money on doing so.

This is just too silly.

[Nacesa Plana]

It’s not ridiculous to outlaw all religions.

We changed worldwide our attitude and behaviour about several issues.
A few hundred years ago it was accepted in many cultures to have sex with a child. Today, it isn’t anymore. Praise the lord.
Having a slave was normal in the not so good old times.
Phrenology was once science!

There’s no other solution as outlawing religions. They harmed and still harm humankind a lot.

No exceptions. Just stop believing in god, goddess or gods. Get rid of those invisible imaginary friends.

[Minzerland]

So?

A poster said that to deport all people of faith but I reminded him/her that there are more people of faith than people of no faith so reporting all people of faith is impossible

How does this bring Atheists and whatnot into the mix?

[Ifreann]

It’s not ridiculous to outlaw all religions.

It is very ridiculous.

[Nariterrr]

It’s not ridiculous to outlaw all religions.

We changed worldwide our attitude and behaviour about several issues.
A few hundred years ago it was accepted in many cultures to have sex with a child. Today, it isn’t anymore. Praise the lord.
Having a slave was normal in the not so good old times.
Phrenology was once science!

There’s no other solution as outlawing religions. They harmed and still harm humankind a lot.

No exceptions. Just stop believing in god, goddess or gods. Get rid of those invisible imaginary friends.

I'm an agnostic-diest, honestly, there is no way to know. Believing in a deity doesn't necessarily mean that you are a bad person. Advocating the death of billions of people because they choose to believe in a god is ridiculous.

[Nacesa Plana]

No. I'm not. We could give them an offer they can't refuse.

• They are forced to take psychiatric treatment. Often you can cure from a delusional disorder.
• Or we'll send them to the moon.

The religious ones killed enough people on the planet. Enough is enough.

You're proposing to torture or murder almost everyone on Earth an apparently willing to spend a nonsensical amount of money on doing so.

This is just too silly.

Since when is psychiatric treatment torturing?
In fact teaching religion issues is a way of mental torturing.

Babies, all babies, enter this world as atheists. They don’t discover god or gods. We teach them they, he or she exist(s). Without our ‘classes’ they would never detect a god.

Yep, psychiatric treatment and a worldwide marketing campaign would cost some money.

Keeping religions alive is far more expensive. In terms of costs of lives AND money.

[United Marxist Nations]

Because the way to stop bad things happening to to do more of those bad things.

So we should not punish murderers, thieves, rapists, ... ?

The religious ones, all together, punished mankind enough. Much more as murderers. One day you have to say: enough.

* Offer them psychiatric treatment
* Start a worldwide marketing campaign. Bit like the anti-tobacco lobby did. 40 years ago, my teachers smoked cigarettes in the elementary classroom. Today you're borderline criminality when you're smoking cigarettes. They changed our attitude.
* Start a worldwide infertility program among religious one.
* Around 2050 outlaw all religions. All of them.

Bit later, send the few religious leftovers to the moon.

You know what has killed more than any religion? Regular old ideology.

[Ifreann]

You're proposing to torture or murder almost everyone on Earth an apparently willing to spend a nonsensical amount of money on doing so.

This is just too silly.

Since when is psychiatric treatment torturing?

When you're forcing it on people who aren't mentally ill.

In fact teaching religion issues is a way of mental torturing.

Nah.

Babies, all babies, enter this world as atheists. They don’t discover god or gods. We teach them they, he or she exist(s). Without our ‘classes’ they would never detect a god.

Obviously not true, otherwise whence religion?

Yep, psychiatric treatment and a worldwide marketing campaign would cost some money.

And sending billions of people to the moon to die. That would cost quite a bit.

I'm beginning to think you haven't really thought through the logistics of your proposed genocide.

Keeping religions alive is far more expensive. In terms of costs of lives AND money.

Except not at all.

[Esternial]

You're proposing to torture or murder almost everyone on Earth an apparently willing to spend a nonsensical amount of money on doing so.

This is just too silly.

Since when is psychiatric treatment torturing?
In fact teaching religion issues is a way of mental torturing.

Babies, all babies, enter this world as atheists. They don’t discover god or gods. We teach them they, he or she exist(s). Without our ‘classes’ they would never detect a god.

Yep, psychiatric treatment and a worldwide marketing campaign would cost some money.

Keeping religions alive is far more expensive. In terms of costs of lives AND money.

Plenty of people discover God on their own.

Clearly you did a lot of research into this.

[Ifreann]

So we should not punish murderers, thieves, rapists, ... ?

The religious ones, all together, punished mankind enough. Much more as murderers. One day you have to say: enough.

* Offer them psychiatric treatment
* Start a worldwide marketing campaign. Bit like the anti-tobacco lobby did. 40 years ago, my teachers smoked cigarettes in the elementary classroom. Today you're borderline criminality when you're smoking cigarettes. They changed our attitude.
* Start a worldwide infertility program among religious one.
* Around 2050 outlaw all religions. All of them.

Bit later, send the few religious leftovers to the moon.

You know what has killed more than any religion? Regular old ideology.

You know what has killed more people than religion or ideology?

Dragons.

[Nacesa Plana]

It’s not ridiculous to outlaw all religions.

We changed worldwide our attitude and behaviour about several issues.
A few hundred years ago it was accepted in many cultures to have sex with a child. Today, it isn’t anymore. Praise the lord.
Having a slave was normal in the not so good old times.
Phrenology was once science!

There’s no other solution as outlawing religions. They harmed and still harm humankind a lot.

No exceptions. Just stop believing in god, goddess or gods. Get rid of those invisible imaginary friends.

I'm an agnostic-diest, honestly, there is no way to know. Believing in a deity doesn't necessarily mean that you are a bad person. Advocating the death of billions of people because they choose to believe in a god is ridiculous.

Nope, psychiatric treatment, worldwide marketing campaign and Infertility programs first.
Give it some time. 40 or 50 years. Then you can really start to outlaw religions.

At that time, consider them a bit as pedophiles.
Once these guys were accepted in our cultures too, today it isn’t anymore.

It didn’t kill pedophilia, but if you express your pedophile feelings, you’re punished.

[Alvecia]

You know what has killed more than any religion? Regular old ideology.

You know what has killed more people than religion or ideology?

Dragons.

Can confirm. Am dragon.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Ok, really serious question, how would a ban on Muslims, temporary or otherwise even work?

Passports says nothing about religion. A religious test could be passed via test cheat cheats or if the person taking the test in question knows a lot about other religions.

(Example: Name three of Santa's reindeer: Rudolph, Comet, Blitzen.)

If it's just a question at the border then... they could lie beacuse no official document has there religion recorded?

Or couldn't they get converted to another religion (Example Pastafarian) and then convert back?

If it is just what there wearing on time of meeting the border guard, well I could be wearing a colander on my head but that doesn't mean I'm Pastafarian.

[Nacesa Plana]

You know what has killed more than any religion? Regular old ideology.

You know what has killed more people than religion or ideology?

Dragons.

Every religion is an ideology too.
One that can turn a soft nice man into a cruel killer.

Just because another isn’t believing in your invisible imaginary friend. Or just because another is believing in your invisible imaginary friend differently.

Billions of people are killed in the name of god or the gods.

And it will not fix itself. As long religions are alive, we will kill each other. A lot.

Of course we go to war for other reasons as well. But it’s a nice start to eliminate the most important cause.

[United Marxist Nations]

You know what has killed more people than religion or ideology?

Dragons.

Every religion is an ideology too.
One that can turn a soft nice man into a cruel killer.

Just because another isn’t believing in your invisible imaginary friend. Or just because another is believing in your invisible imaginary friend differently.

Billions of people are killed in the name of god or the gods.

And it will not fix itself. As long religions are alive, we will kill each other. A lot.

Of course we go to war for other reasons as well. But it’s a nice start to eliminate the most important cause.

Outright not true. The total number of people killed in warfare throughout the entirety of history isn't anywhere close to one billion. In fact, IIRC, the Second World War alone (a war of secular ideologies) killed more than every religious war in history. Combined.

[Esternial]

You know what has killed more people than religion or ideology?

Dragons.

Every religion is an ideology too.
One that can turn a soft nice man into a cruel killer.

Just because another isn’t believing in your invisible imaginary friend. Or just because another is believing in your invisible imaginary friend differently.

Billions of people are killed in the name of god or the gods.

And it will not fix itself. As long religions are alive, we will kill each other. A lot.

Of course we go to war for other reasons as well. But it’s a nice start to eliminate the most important cause.

Don't need religion to be a cruel killer, though.

You illustrate that rather nicely, señor "I-want-to-genocide-religious-people".

[Uxupox]

You know what has killed more people than religion or ideology?

Dragons.

Every religion is an ideology too.
One that can turn a soft nice man into a cruel killer.

Just because another isn’t believing in your invisible imaginary friend. Or just because another is believing in your invisible imaginary friend differently.

Billions of people are killed in the name of god or the gods.

And it will not fix itself. As long religions are alive, we will kill each other. A lot.

Of course we go to war for other reasons as well. But it’s a nice start to eliminate the most important cause.

As long as people exist, we will kill each other. A lot. Wow I can do that too!

[Ifreann]

You know what has killed more people than religion or ideology?

Dragons.

Every religion is an ideology too.
One that can turn a soft nice man into a cruel killer.

Is there no end to your silliness?

[Nacesa Plana]

Since when is psychiatric treatment torturing?
In fact teaching religion issues is a way of mental torturing.

Babies, all babies, enter this world as atheists. They don’t discover god or gods. We teach them they, he or she exist(s). Without our ‘classes’ they would never detect a god.

Yep, psychiatric treatment and a worldwide marketing campaign would cost some money.

Keeping religions alive is far more expensive. In terms of costs of lives AND money.

Plenty of people discover God on their own.

Clearly you did a lot of research into this.

Are you suggesting you did the research?
Nice, can you tell us how many people discovered god on their own?

And it’s clearly BS.

There was a time many people believed in the Norse mythology.

Today just a few people do. Why?

Because parents and society doesn’t teach their children about the Norse mythology. We do tell our children stories about Odin and stuff. And we study the historical side.

But we stopped believing in that kind of religions. We don’t teach our children anymore to accept Odin as our ruler.

Why oh why can’t we stop believing in the monotheistic god?

If few people do, few people can teach their children to believe.

[Esternial]

Plenty of people discover God on their own.

Clearly you did a lot of research into this.

Are you suggesting you did the research?
Nice, can you tell us how many people discovered god on their own?

And it’s clearly BS.

There was a time many people believed in the Norse mythology.

Today just a few people do. Why?

Because parents and society doesn’t teach their children about the Norse mythology. We do tell our children stories about Odin and stuff. And we study the historical side.

But we stopped believing in that kind of religions. We don’t teach our children anymore to accept Odin as our ruler.

Why oh why can’t we stop believing in the monotheistic god?

If few people do, few people can teach their children to believe.

Plenty of adults without any religion can decide to turn themselves to religious scripture and develop a belief in God, which often but not exclusively happens after some kind of tragedy.

In the same way people can develop and change their political spectrum by reading or listening, the same applies to one's religious beliefs.

Not that hard to grasp, really.

[Nacesa Plana]

Every religion is an ideology too.
One that can turn a soft nice man into a cruel killer.

Just because another isn’t believing in your invisible imaginary friend. Or just because another is believing in your invisible imaginary friend differently.

Billions of people are killed in the name of god or the gods.

And it will not fix itself. As long religions are alive, we will kill each other. A lot.

Of course we go to war for other reasons as well. But it’s a nice start to eliminate the most important cause.

As long as people exist, we will kill each other. A lot. Wow I can do that too!

True. Like I said. It's a nice to start to eliminate the most important cause.

[Nacesa Plana]

Are you suggesting you did the research?
Nice, can you tell us how many people discovered god on their own?

And it’s clearly BS.

There was a time many people believed in the Norse mythology.

Today just a few people do. Why?

Because parents and society doesn’t teach their children about the Norse mythology. We do tell our children stories about Odin and stuff. And we study the historical side.

But we stopped believing in that kind of religions. We don’t teach our children anymore to accept Odin as our ruler.

Why oh why can’t we stop believing in the monotheistic god?

If few people do, few people can teach their children to believe.

Plenty of adults without any religion can decide to turn themselves to religious scripture and develop a belief in God, which often but not exclusively happens after some kind of tragedy.

In the same way people can develop and change their political spectrum by reading or listening, the same applies to one's religious beliefs.

Not that hard to grasp, really.

Sure. Like tons of people start believing one day in the Norse mythology? Oh wait...

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

As long as people exist, we will kill each other. A lot. Wow I can do that too!

True. Like I said. It's a nice to start to eliminate the most important cause.

So, we ban homo sapiens from the US?

I can get down with this.

[Azurius]

Banning people based on their religion is a fucking stupid idea and would do nothing give the likes of ISIS more ammunition to use to recruit people.

Exactly, one must look at how extremists like ISIS come to be. The answer to that is pretty simple, even though a lot of western people love to ignore that and brush it under the carpet:

Wars, exploitation and poverty in their homecountries. Created by us, and mostly also dictators installed by us, and that all because we want cheap oil, want the middle east as strategic base point for our sick wars etc.

This has let war, exploitation and poverty into their countries. Combine that with lots of discrimination from our side, and you will create people that are extremely angry at the west(and rightfully so too). This makes it easy for extremist nutcases like ISIS to recruit these people and turn them into terrorists.

Besides that, most terrorists are domestic and come from inside the US or european countries anyway, and do not come from outside. So imposing a travel ban here is utterly nonsensical and will only backfire and do the opposite of what it is intended to do: Increase terror attacks and also make the people even more angry at the west(making it even easier for ISIS to recruit), rather then less.