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Do you oppose Nuclear Weapons?

No
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Yes
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Other (Please State)
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The East Marches
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Postby The East Marches » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:10 am

Kubra wrote:
Kaledy wrote:If I am not mistaken, no nation that had nuclear weapons has ever been invaded. I also think it is very likely that if NATO and the Warsaw-pact didn't have nuclear weapons, there would have been a lot more conflicts.

On the other hand, nations without nuclear weapons are now clearly at a disadvantage. Nuclear powers forbidding nations without nukes from developing them seems hypocritical to me.
lol but like who would invade them


Like a "limited humanitarian intervention" is totally different.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:11 am

Kaledy wrote:If I am not mistaken, no nation that had nuclear weapons has ever been invaded. I also think it is very likely that if NATO and the Warsaw-pact didn't have nuclear weapons, there would have been a lot more conflicts.

On the other hand, nations without nuclear weapons are now clearly at a disadvantage. Nuclear powers forbidding nations without nukes from developing them seems hypocritical to me.


Pakistan and India have gone to war after they both had nukes, no?
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Postby Kubra » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:12 am

The East Marches wrote:
Kubra wrote: lol but like who would invade them


Like a "limited humanitarian intervention" is totally different.
lol which nuclear powers are candidates for humanitarian intervention
That's something you do to poor people
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Postby The East Marches » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:13 am

Kubra wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Like a "limited humanitarian intervention" is totally different.
lol which nuclear powers are candidates for humanitarian intervention
That's something you do to poor people


Pakistan would be on the hitlist I think had they not developed nukes. Ukrainians certainly wouldn't have had a civil conflict fueled by external powers. At least not to the same extent.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:14 am

Kaledy wrote:If I am not mistaken, no nation that had nuclear weapons has ever been invaded.


There have been some clashes between India and Pakistan since they acquired nuclear weapons, I believe.

And of course, there was the Argentinian invasion of the Falklands.

And that's counting only attacks by actual nations, not terrorist groups.

I also think it is very likely that if NATO and the Warsaw-pact didn't have nuclear weapons, there would have been a lot more conflicts.


The Cold War, and the years since, are littered with bloody conflicts.

Proxy wars are still wars.

How many millions died in wars since the advent of nuclear weapons?

Yeah, there wasn't another World War. Small comfort to the dead in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Cambodia, the Sudan, Rwanda, the Ukraine, Chechnya, Israel, Palestine, Iran, the Congo...

On the other hand, nations without nuclear weapons are now clearly at a disadvantage. Nuclear powers forbidding nations without nukes from developing them seems hypocritical to me.


No doubt.

But I'd prefer that hypocrisy and disadvantage be resolved by the removal, not propagation, of nuclear weapons.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:15 am

They're necessary if the other side has them.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:22 am

The East Marches wrote:
Kubra wrote: lol which nuclear powers are candidates for humanitarian intervention
That's something you do to poor people


Pakistan would be on the hitlist I think had they not developed nukes. Ukrainians certainly wouldn't have had a civil conflict fueled by external powers. At least not to the same extent.
Ukraine wouldn't have em, cuz they poor people. Pakistan is a developing nation, but middle income and not sitting on anything particularly important, except to India, and even India is cooling down on the matter, saying their nukes are defensive.
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Postby Eisarn-Ara » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:37 am

Vedilia wrote:Weak and useless, next to the power of relativistic-velocity 600-kg tungsten shells.
There's your deterrent!



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Postby The East Marches » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:42 am

Kubra wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Pakistan would be on the hitlist I think had they not developed nukes. Ukrainians certainly wouldn't have had a civil conflict fueled by external powers. At least not to the same extent.
Ukraine wouldn't have em, cuz they poor people. Pakistan is a developing nation, but middle income and not sitting on anything particularly important, except to India, and even India is cooling down on the matter, saying their nukes are defensive.


I thought the Ukies could have kept some post-break up and we bribed them not to?

The Pakistanis? We'd do a lot more shit stirring there if they didn't have the threat of loose nukes.
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Postby Norseka » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:46 am

Grand Britannia wrote:They're necessary if the other side has them.


But wouldn't that just lead to an escalation of armaments like we saw during the Cold War?

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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:59 am

Norseka wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:They're necessary if the other side has them.


But wouldn't that just lead to an escalation of armaments like we saw during the Cold War?


Which would be great for the economy!

Just forget Eisenhower's thoughts about the military industrial elite.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:03 am

Eisarn-Ara wrote:
Vedilia wrote:Weak and useless, next to the power of relativistic-velocity 600-kg tungsten shells.
There's your deterrent!



"Rods from God" have been debunked, and are worthless.


But railguns are alive and in development.
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Postby Union of Rossiya » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:11 am

Having nuclear weapons is probably the best deterrent available. Staged thermonuclear weapons over Pure fission weapons any day.
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Postby Eisarn-Ara » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:13 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Eisarn-Ara wrote:

"Rods from God" have been debunked, and are worthless.


But railguns are alive and in development.



Yes, and designed to function as both over-glorified artillery & a defense system. GIGANTIC TUNGSTEN RODS IN SPACE however, are utter hogwash.
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Ave Nex Alea
Glory & Victory unto the Pact!
I'm pro thrall-taking, are you?
Immigrants're grody; Paris, Berlin & Brussels proved that.
Serbia, Hungary, Austria & Finland have the right idea, preserve European Cultural Integrity!
Dictating matters of policy & legality because of "feelings" is foolhardy at best, and the reason why SJWism is cancerous at worst.
Altruism is worthless outside of a community and in small doses.
We owe you nothing, and you'll like it.
Arabs cannot do "Modern War"
You are all terrible.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:40 am

Eisarn-Ara wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
But railguns are alive and in development.



Yes, and designed to function as both over-glorified artillery & a defense system. GIGANTIC TUNGSTEN RODS IN SPACE however, are utter hogwash.


Just wait until we start building mile long ones, in space!

We'll never know until we try. :)
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:47 am

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Postby Eisarn-Ara » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:55 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:We must all accept Atom's blessing.



Blessed in Division, hallowed by his Glow.
Ave Nex Alea
Glory & Victory unto the Pact!
I'm pro thrall-taking, are you?
Immigrants're grody; Paris, Berlin & Brussels proved that.
Serbia, Hungary, Austria & Finland have the right idea, preserve European Cultural Integrity!
Dictating matters of policy & legality because of "feelings" is foolhardy at best, and the reason why SJWism is cancerous at worst.
Altruism is worthless outside of a community and in small doses.
We owe you nothing, and you'll like it.
Arabs cannot do "Modern War"
You are all terrible.

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:00 am

I heard someone mention earlier that people will use nukes to destroy asteroids in space.. are you trying to kill us all..
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:02 am

Indo-Malaysia wrote:I heard someone mention earlier that people will use nukes to destroy asteroids in space.. are you trying to kill us all..

It worked in Armageddon.

No but seriously, why would that kill us all?

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Postby Mozambicar » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:04 am

Norseka wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:They're necessary if the other side has them.


But wouldn't that just lead to an escalation of armaments like we saw during the Cold War?

But is that escalation not what kept the 2 sides in the Cold War away from actual war?

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:57 am

Alvecia wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:I heard someone mention earlier that people will use nukes to destroy asteroids in space.. are you trying to kill us all..

It worked in Armageddon.

No but seriously, why would that kill us all?

Detonations are quite different in space. First off, all that ionizing radiation will destroy just about all of our artificial satellites, a massive Electromagnetic Pulse would occur, and with people so dependent on electric and 3DS's today, people will all keel over and die.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:03 am

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:It worked in Armageddon.

No but seriously, why would that kill us all?

Detonations are quite different in space. First off, all that ionizing radiation will destroy just about all of our artificial satellites, a massive Electromagnetic Pulse would occur, and with people so dependent on electric and 3DS's today, people will all keel over and die.

Depending on how far away the asteroid is I can't imagine it'd be any more damaging than a solar flare.

Which are fairly damaging now that I think about it.

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:04 am

Alvecia wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:Detonations are quite different in space. First off, all that ionizing radiation will destroy just about all of our artificial satellites, a massive Electromagnetic Pulse would occur, and with people so dependent on electric and 3DS's today, people will all keel over and die.

Depending on how far away the asteroid is I can't imagine it'd be any more damaging than a solar flare.

Which are fairly damaging now that I think about it.

Once the power goes out, and everyone plays Monopoly instead of COD... you know what happens..
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Postby Individual Concerns » Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:40 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:Just wait until we start building mile long ones, in space!
We'll never know until we try. :)

Mass Driver mother bleeper!

You got an entire orbital belt's worth of ammo and building material out there.

String together some electrmagnetic shunts in orbit (and they do not have to super huge) and kick up that childhood rock fight a few orders of magnitude.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:42 am

Indo-Malaysia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Depending on how far away the asteroid is I can't imagine it'd be any more damaging than a solar flare.

Which are fairly damaging now that I think about it.

Once the power goes out, and everyone plays Monopoly instead of COD... you know what happens..


We kill ourselves off by fighting over monopoly rules? :p

And if the nuke detonates in deep space there would be no EMP and the radiation would be deflected or absorbed by the atmosphere. Of course, a laser ablative defence would be a better defence.
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