DNC leak

[New Werpland]

But Trump did.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33325842

The reason the Baltics don't spend anything on the military is because they are undefendable in the case of a Russian invasion. In principle it would be nice to have them all spend 2% of gdp but it's redundant. Latvia spending 2% of gdp on their military means infinitely less than Poland or Germany doing so.

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Apparently Estonia isn't a Baltic nation...

My bad.

The others do not though.

[Frank Zipper]

He wants Trump to win. Trump is a better external enemy to justify his actions.

When Trump gets hacked by a Romanian hacker who got hacked by Russia's Government, let me know. Extra points if he takes sensitive material from the state department and uses a private e-mail account.

Most of your posts are just gibberish.

[Shofercia]

When Trump gets hacked by a Romanian hacker who got hacked by Russia's Government, let me know. Extra points if he takes sensitive material from the state department and uses a private e-mail account.

Most of your posts are just gibberish.

Not to those who actually know what's going on, and aren't annoyed that Neocons/Neolibs are getting creamed in foreign policy, from all sides, like petulant kids.

[Napkiraly]

Last I heard, the supposed Romanian hacker's Romanian skills were absolutely atrocious.

I mean, maybe the Russians didn't do it but their interests would be in a better place if Trump were POTUS.

[Khadgar]

Last I heard, the supposed Romanian hacker's Romanian skills were absolutely atrocious.

I mean, maybe the Russians didn't do it but their interests would be in a better place if Trump were POTUS.

Hacker uses google translate to pretend to be Romanian but all the information points to Russia. Shof of course believes Romania did it.

[Ifreann]

And frankly, I don't particularly care if Russia decides to go into imperialistic shenanigans against non-western countries.

lol

[Gauthier]

And now Trump begging the Russians to look for Hillary's emails.

[Liriena]

And now Trump begging the Russians to look for Hillary's emails.

Crooked Trump!

[Frank Zipper]

Most of your posts are just gibberish.

Not to those who actually know what's going on, and aren't annoyed that Neocons/Neolibs are getting creamed in foreign policy, from all sides, like petulant kids.

Of course there is only one way you could actually know what is going on....

[UnjustlyBannedLlamas]

What's most ridiculous about this whole "Russia did this!" shit viewing it from the context of the cold war, which is what they are TRYING to get you to do, makes it absolutely obvious we should be thanking the russian government.

These people are basically saying that whenever the west tried to let Russians know how shit the USSR government was, we were being assholes.

Russia just exposed massive levels of collusion and corruption. This is our glasnost. But we're supposed to be mad at them?
These people are so fucking detached from the public.
The "But Russia!" argument is entirely reliant on xenophobia, and on hoping that merely because they're opposing our government, we should get mad at them.
No, they did the US a favor.

Our MEDIA wasn't going to report this shit, so why shouldn't russia? What's the functional difference between us trying to let Russians know their standards of living were shit in the USSR because their media wouldnt tell them, and Russia doing this for us?

"DEM EVIL RUSKIES! THEY OPPOSE THIS SYSTEM! YOU SHOULD BE MAD!"
Why? It's clearly a shit system.

I see no coherent reasoning behind this, and only two possible explanations.

The establishment figures are so far up their own ass and delusional they genuinely believe this is a good system worth defending.

Or

The establishment figures are just responding to this by trying to whip up xenophobia to distract from their own failings, in a year they were *fucking constantly* whining about how Trump was doing this. But I guess since it's Russians, it's okay.

Opposing Russia's government is not opposing Russians. Take that strawman somewhere else.

[Liriena]

What's most ridiculous about this whole "Russia did this!" shit viewing it from the context of the cold war, which is what they are TRYING to get you to do, makes it absolutely obvious we should be thanking the russian government.

These people are basically saying that whenever the west tried to let Russians know how shit the USSR government was, we were being assholes.

Russia just exposed massive levels of collusion and corruption. This is our glasnost. But we're supposed to be mad at them?
These people are so fucking detached from the public.
The "But Russia!" argument is entirely reliant on xenophobia, and on hoping that merely because they're opposing our government, we should get mad at them.
No, they did the US a favor.

Our MEDIA wasn't going to report this shit, so why shouldn't russia? What's the functional difference between us trying to let Russians know their standards of living were shit in the USSR because their media wouldnt tell them, and Russia doing this for us?

"DEM EVIL RUSKIES! THEY OPPOSE THIS SYSTEM! YOU SHOULD BE MAD!"
Why? It's clearly a shit system.

I see no coherent reasoning behind this, and only two possible explanations.

The establishment figures are so far up their own ass and delusional they genuinely believe this is a good system worth defending.

Or

The establishment figures are just responding to this by trying to whip up xenophobia to distract from their own failings, in a year they were *fucking constantly* whining about how Trump was doing this. But I guess since it's Russians, it's okay.

Opposing Russia's government is not opposing Russians. Take that strawman somewhere else.

It's strange to hear Ostro make that sort of argument, since he is staunchly against unjust accusations of racism and xenophobia.

[Shofercia]

Last I heard, the supposed Romanian hacker's Romanian skills were absolutely atrocious.

I mean, maybe the Russians didn't do it but their interests would be in a better place if Trump were POTUS.

You're presuming that Clinton would be more competent if elected, than she is right now. Do you seriously think that someone who puts government secrets on a largely unprotected server, someone who puts most of her eggs in one basket, (Clinton Foundation,) someone who is extraordinarily divisive in the US, someone who constantly panders to public opinion, someone whose husband constantly does stupid shit like his meeting with Lynch to talk about golf, someone who has advisers that didn't caution her to protect her e-mails better, that's someone who's going to beat Putin in Ukraine, in the Caucasus, in the Middle East? Really?

Last I heard, the supposed Romanian hacker's Romanian skills were absolutely atrocious.

I mean, maybe the Russians didn't do it but their interests would be in a better place if Trump were POTUS.

Hacker uses google translate to pretend to be Romanian but all the information points to Russia. Shof of course believes Romania did it.

Where did I accuse Romania the country? I said a Romanian hacker did it. People aren't countries.

Not to those who actually know what's going on, and aren't annoyed that Neocons/Neolibs are getting creamed in foreign policy, from all sides, like petulant kids.

Of course there is only one way you could actually know what is going on....

Not really. You could follow Historical Trends, read truly independent blogs, pay attention to analytical pieces of quality journalists, etc. Heck, you could, at the very least, read Forbes.

[Napkiraly]

Last I heard, the supposed Romanian hacker's Romanian skills were absolutely atrocious.

I mean, maybe the Russians didn't do it but their interests would be in a better place if Trump were POTUS.

You're presuming that Clinton would be more competent if elected, than she is right now. Do you seriously think that someone who puts government secrets on a largely unprotected server, someone who puts most of her eggs in one basket, (Clinton Foundation,) someone who is extraordinarily divisive in the US, someone who constantly panders to public opinion, someone whose husband constantly does stupid shit like his meeting with Lynch to talk about golf, someone who has advisers that didn't caution her to protect her e-mails better, that's someone who's going to beat Putin in Ukraine, in the Caucasus, in the Middle East? Really?

She'll be better than Trump who would put NATO's reliability into question or as of today potentially recognise Russia's annexation of Crimea.

[Greed and Death]

Wow they hacked the DNC's voice mail system too.

Nothing quite as damaging as the emails but if they are getting email and voice mail this is a highly organized team of hackers.

[Lady Scylla]

Opposing Russia's government is not opposing Russians. Take that strawman somewhere else.

It's strange to hear Ostro make that sort of argument, since he is staunchly against unjust accusations of racism and xenophobia.

[Lady Scylla]

Wow they hacked the DNC's voice mail system too.

Nothing quite as damaging as the emails but if they are getting email and voice mail this is a highly organized team of hackers.

From what the FBI has stated, they're hackers either apart of, or having been hired by Russia's intelligence service.

[Uiiop]

It's strange to hear Ostro make that sort of argument, since he is staunchly against unjust accusations of racism and xenophobia.

In his own mind at least....I'll have to remember the specific examples to tell you if he's right or wrong.

[Penguin Union Nation]

It's not a massive blow at all.

It should be, but nobody has any integrity anymore, so everyone will just let it slide. Just as long as we beat "the enemy", it won't matter to us what our "allies" do.

[Greed and Death]

Wow they hacked the DNC's voice mail system too.

Nothing quite as damaging as the emails but if they are getting email and voice mail this is a highly organized team of hackers.

From what the FBI has stated, they're hackers either apart of, or having been hired by Russia's intelligence service.

If they have voice mail there is a very good chance they have phone calls recorded.

[Lady Scylla]

From what the FBI has stated, they're hackers either apart of, or having been hired by Russia's intelligence service.

If they have voice mail there is a very good chance they have phone calls recorded.

Well, WikiLeaks has also stated that there is more to come, so I suppose we'll see.

[Napkiraly]

If they have voice mail there is a very good chance they have phone calls recorded.

Well, WikiLeaks has also stated that there is more to come, so I suppose we'll see.

Yep.

Then again I don't particularly care if they were a bit biased and it shouldn't be surprising. Bernie Sanders was only a member of the party for a year and recently left. Clinton has been a member since 1968 and has been a prominent member for a long time. It's not shocking that out of pure tribal loyalty they'd want a bona fide Democrat over someone who became a Democrat of convenience.

[Hirota]

From what the FBI has stated, they're hackers either apart of, or having been hired by Russia's intelligence service.

If they have voice mail there is a very good chance they have phone calls recorded.

Not really. There are plenty of business phone systems which email you voicemail messages as mp3s. You wouldn't need access to telephony to get voicemails.

[Great Feng]

Trump said it was sarcasm.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/donald-trump-sarcastic-wanting-russia-find-hillary-clintons/story%3Fid%3D40955437&ved=0ahUKEwiEst2MwJbOAhUs4IMKHUnNAzsQqUMIITAB&usg=AFQjCNGAdpjqWN8DoOBhtUk2kMFfELYlKw&sig2=w41wOC5aYSNir-89PbuN9Q

[Big Jim P]

If they have voice mail there is a very good chance they have phone calls recorded.

Well, WikiLeaks has also stated that there is more to come, so I suppose we'll see.

I wonder just how much it will take to bring down the democrats. Probably quite a bit considering what democrat supporters have been willing to overlook so far.

[Herskerstad]

Well, WikiLeaks has also stated that there is more to come, so I suppose we'll see.

I wonder just how much it will take to bring down the democrats. Probably quite a bit considering what democrat supporters have been willing to overlook so far.

Hillary could have a weekly Watergate and just because she herself did not install the bugs claim plausible deniability to the election and beyond.