Am i literally the only Trump supporter on NS?

[The Black Forrest]

Glad to hear you at least somewhat support Trump as well.

He's the better alternative to Clinton, all the way.

I definitely think he's right about certain things, particularly that the country is on track for economic stagnation and eventual decline, and that the deindustrialization of the country has been a bad thing.

His message is bullshit and unfortunately that is a high compliment to value.. He will do nothing about this alleged falling country.

Trump and people like him are behind the "de-industrialization" of the country.

Industry is not going to return to the levels it once was. Trump will NEVER bring it back.

[United Marxist Nations]

I definitely think he's right about certain things, particularly that the country is on track for economic stagnation and eventual decline, and that the deindustrialization of the country has been a bad thing.

His message is bullshit and unfortunately that is a high compliment to value.. He will do nothing about this alleged falling country.

Trump and people like him are behind the "de-industrialization" of the country.

Industry is not going to return to the levels it once was. Trump will NEVER bring it back.

I don't know why you assume that I think he will.

[Liriena]

I do have a question for any Trump supporter who wants to answer. Not trying to be condescending, or anything of the sort. Just want an honest opinion.

If you support Trump over Clinton because Trump "tells it like it is", and you believe Clinton to be dishonest, what do you make of their record in Politifact?
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

[Pope Joan]

Hillary will get us into a land war. Trump will not.

[Everhall]

Hillary will get us into a land war. Trump will not.

We've haven't had one during Obama with the exact same situation.

[The Black Forrest]

Hillary will get us into a land war. Trump will not.

so he LIED about defeating isis really fast?

[Senegalboy]

Hillary will get us into a land war. Trump will not.

so he LIED about defeating isis really fast?

He can't defeat ISIS quickly because they are not a nation they are a group that is on all continents you need military intervention not just in Iraq and Syria but africa,Asia and if trump bans Muslims it will make ISIS bigger

[The Black Forrest]

so he LIED about defeating isis really fast?

He can't defeat ISIS quickly because they are not a nation they are a group that is on all continents you need military intervention not just in Iraq and Syria but africa,Asia and if trump bans Muslims it will make ISIS bigger

Your sarcasm detector is off.

[Mike the Progressive]

Hillary will get us into a land war. Trump will not.

I sort of dislike these absolutes.

[Senegalboy]

He can't defeat ISIS quickly because they are not a nation they are a group that is on all continents you need military intervention not just in Iraq and Syria but africa,Asia and if trump bans Muslims it will make ISIS bigger

Your sarcasm detector is off.

oh im gonna be real he has to go through a wall not the wall of Mexico but the huge Wall of Congress and Mexico is a failed state and who in their right mind would allow a failed state to pay for a wall that could cost billions or trillions of dollars and Mexico has over 100 million people and if Mexico pays around 100 million people will migrate to the US due to the government collapsing for paying for the wall.So if you think there are too many immigrants wait until 1/3 of the US is Mexican

[United States Kingdom]

People haven't heard of the Green Party b/c they either don't bother to much about it. America is stuck with a two party system, so when another party is created, it faces a shit ton of obstacles, especially considering the fact that most of the candidates aren't really that different, and are supported by corporations.

And you think the DNC is as well? They get their funding mostly from the bourgeois. Same goes for the GOP. The Green Party actually gets most of their money from campaign donations, and not Super Pacs.

It's bs like this I can't stand. Have you seen the fucking platforms? I understand if you hate both, but they are by no means the same.

I've seen the platforms, but she most likely won't do it since she serves the interest of the corporations.

[The Wolven League]

Hillary will get us into a land war. Trump will not.

Let's just hope it's not in Asia.

[The balkens]

Hillary will get us into a land war. Trump will not.

Let's just hope it's not in Asia.

Broing up with Russia seems like a good idea.

[Freefall11111]

Hillary will get us into a land war. Trump will not.

False dichotomy on top of assuming land wars are always bad. 0/10 argument, try again.

[Grave_n_idle]

Hillary will get us into a land war. Trump will not.

Sarcasm?

[The Kievan People]

Industry is not going to return to the levels it once was. Trump will NEVER bring it back.

How did you determine this?

[Freefall11111]

Industry is not going to return to the levels it once was. Trump will NEVER bring it back.

How did you determine this?

Pretty easily, it's basic micro econ. You cannot bring back jobs. If you try and erect barricades to prevent corporations from using lower wage labour, they'll just go elsewhere. If you try and prevent that, or think that they wouldn't leave for some reason, they'd just automate everything.

[Grave_n_idle]

Industry is not going to return to the levels it once was. Trump will NEVER bring it back.

How did you determine this?

Luddites tried it.

Short of destroying mechanization, you can't reverse the process of industry. Technology will keep moving forward, automation will keep increasing, the number of physical 'jobs' will keep decreasing.

Absent some Fallout-type reversal, we're looking at industry being mechanical, supported by a small 'technic' class, very soon.

[Ashmoria]

Hillary will get us into a land war. Trump will not.

why would you even say that?

trump is an empty suit who will do whatever his republican handlers suggest will bring him the most glory. he would get us into ANY war that Clinton would get us into only faster and with far less planning.

[Ashmoria]

so he LIED about defeating isis really fast?

He can't defeat ISIS quickly because they are not a nation they are a group that is on all continents you need military intervention not just in Iraq and Syria but africa,Asia and if trump bans Muslims it will make ISIS bigger

excellent response to a point he wasn't really making.

trumps isis plans would be a disaster for the whole world.

[The Kievan People]

Pretty easily, it's basic micro econ. You cannot bring back jobs. If you try and erect barricades to prevent corporations from using lower wage labour, they'll just go elsewhere. If you try and prevent that, or think that they wouldn't leave for some reason, they'd just automate everything.

What is wrong with automation? For someone who claims to understand economics, you are trafficking in fallacies. You do not need to work in a factory to benefit from manufacturing.

Manufacturing, even automated manufacturing:
- Has a large supply chain on both ends, most of which cannot yet be automated. A factory which employs no one in the productive process still contributes to the employment of many people. The factory needs to be built, it needs to maintained, the robots need to built, the robots need to be maintained, the products the robots make must be designed, it needs to be cleaned, it needs to guarded, the materials must be supplied, the incoming and outgoing goods must be shipped, its wares must be sold, all these things need to be administered and so on and so on.
- Responsible for a massively disproportionate share of productive investment in the economy.
- Supports R&D and other knowledge sectors, whatever MBAs would have you believe you cannot divorce the creation of knowledge of things from the creation of things. If no aeroplanes are made in America (random fake example) American aero engineers will not be in high demand. If nothing is made at all, the vast majority of knowledge industries will whither along with them.
- It is the mainstay of world trade.
- Is the mainstay of foreign direct investment.
- Draws on a much more diverse range of skilled occupations than the service industry.
- Tends to be more regionally diverse, dictated by the needs of specific industries, than service providers which virtually all cluster in big cities.

Third world countries like China profit from trade in no small part because of their massive schemes to directly and indirectly subsidize industry. This is destructive not only to countries like America, but also themselves as China's endless battle with overcapacity and bad loans illustrates. Corrective action to counter these subsidies and restore a more level playing field are in the interest of all.

[Freefall11111]

What is wrong with automation?

Literally nothing, I'm a huge fan of automation and I look forward to the day where nobody has to work for a living, but that has nothing to do with my point that jobs are never coming back so the rest of your post is a nice strawman that's ultimately irrelevant (and partially incorrect. The number of jobs created by automation is always a small fraction of the number lost, otherwise automation wouldn't exist)

[The Conez Imperium]

What is wrong with automation?

Literally nothing, I'm a huge fan of automation and I look forward to the day where nobody has to work for a living, but that has nothing to do with my point that jobs are never coming back so the rest of your post is a nice strawman that's ultimately irrelevant (and partially incorrect. The number of jobs created by automation is always a small fraction of the number lost, otherwise automation wouldn't exist)

Does not automation exist because it is either cheaper or superior to human labor? I understand the argument that automation creates new jobs that the current generation cannot think of (industrial revolution) but is incredibly hard to fathom when manufacturing will soon be replaced by robots.

[Kubra]

I'm personally excited for a trump presidency
mostly because I like silly marxist articles that involve "french revolutionary calendar date of X leader we dislike"

[Spiffier]

Hillary will get us into a land war. Trump will not.

why would you even say that?

trump is an empty suit who will do whatever his republican handlers suggest will bring him the most glory. he would get us into ANY war that Clinton would get us into only faster and with far less planning.

There are countless issues with Trump, but doing whatever his Republican handlers say isn't one of them. He says and tweet things that would never get past established Republican vetting (or even any sensible political vetting), that's why Paul Ryan is practically hostile toward him.