Am i literally the only Trump supporter on NS?

[The Wolven League]

A small government has less power to stop the crimes of big businesses. Economic libertarianism just leads to a new government coming in: the big businesses.

Well I simply disagree, Economic libertarianism leads to competition and innovation. Big business leads to regulation and oligarchy.

...big business is exactly what economic libertarianism favors.

As soon as regulations are taken away, big businesses will stamp out any competition like roaches. Smaller companies are the easiest targets.

Ever read Jennifer Government? I believe it's the most accurate portrayal of what an actual economic libertarian state would look like. Not the idealistic nonsense that "companies will be super kind and fair to everyone else even though they can literally enslave people".

[Liriena]

Ronald Reagan would have been appalled.


Yes, he's unabashedly racist, xenophobic, misogynistic and anti-LGBT+. How is that a good thing, exactly?
Also, you owe much of your way of life in the United States to liberalism, starting with the existence of free market capitalism and a constitutional republic. So show a bit of gratitude, and don't try to give the country over to an almost-fascist just because you don't like the fact that same-sex couples can get married and you get criticised for using racist slurs.


You mean what Obama has been doing for the past couple of years, while Trump bombastically boasted about all the suspiciously vague ways he would defeat ISIS, plus decisively illegal proposals like torture, assassinations, and banning an entire religion from entering the country?


If by "strong" you mean severely simplistic, misguided, and likely to cause a lot more harm than good.


You mean the same "tough on crime" policy that turned the American criminal justice system into a global embarrassment riddled with severe human rights violations?
And the same "respect for police officers" that enables them to get away with rampant misconduct?

Allow me to specify, Anti-PC is a rejection of Progressive Liberalism which is a twisted variation of Classic Liberalism that founded America.

Modern Progressive Liberals believe in Blind Egalitarianism, Equal Outcomes through Wealth Distribution, and a complete investment in grievance politics that thrives from divisiveness.
Classic Liberalism established Constitutional Liberties and inalienable rights, Equal Opportunity through Self Reliance, and a limitation of government powers.

Modern liberals, bless them, acknowledge the fact that classic liberalism, while valuable, is flawed and insufficient to solve all of humanity's problems. Good for them.

Obamas airstrikes have simply been a photo op, much like Bill Clinton lobbing cruise missiles in the '90s. Obama and the Democrats fight like cowards, the world senses our current weakness and exploits it. Obama's concession of Iraq led to ISIS, now a full fledge terrorist state exists ONLY because the sole Superpower on the planet ALLOWS them to exist.

A surprisingly effective photo op, I'd say. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/isis-losing-ground-in-iraq-syria-barack-obama/articleshow/52754433.cms

Also, the "the world" has a much higher opinion of the United States under Obama than it did during the Bush years. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jun/04/gretchen-carlson/gretchen-carlson-most-polls-show-world-has-lower-r/

Also, the rise of ISIS is not Obama's fault. http://usuncut.com/politics/flynn-former-head-of-us-special-forces-bushs-invasion-of-iraq-created-isis/

A nation without borders is not a nation at all, and let's be honest... That's is what's at the core of all Progressives , the absolute destruction of the United States of America in favor of a global communist New World Order.

This isn't Infowars, you know?

[Xadufell]

I feel like it's come to the point where people don't want to say that they support trump for fear of being labeled a racist bigoted homophobe intolerant... Whatever the rest of the average Liberal insults. But I think people need to start supporting trump over the third party candidates. Even though I don't really hate the third party candidates I think we would be better off just coming over and supporting trump to take down the corruption of the Clintons.

[Liriena]

Heil Trump.
He will bomb the shit of IS.
He will lower taxes on corporations.
Make America great again.

Your fellow supporter from the Netherlands.

Ah, yes, because lower taxes and military interventionism abroad made America great during the Bush years, didn't it?

[The Wolven League]

Heil Trump.
He will bomb the shit of IS.
He will lower taxes on corporations.
Make America great again.

Your fellow supporter from the Netherlands.

Ah, yes, because lower taxes and military interventionism abroad made America great during the Bush years, didn't it?

Tbf, Trump is more of an isolationist. ISIS is a legitimate threat, unlike the Hussein or Assad regimes, and I agree that the West needs to band together to stop it.

[Liriena]

I feel like it's come to the point where people don't want to say that they support trump for fear of being labeled a racist bigoted homophobe intolerant... Whatever the rest of the average Liberal insults.

Hardly an insult when it fits. Trump is a racist, a bigot, intolerant, and opposes LGBT+ rights except when he can use them as a cudgel against Muslims.

But I think people need to start supporting trump over the third party candidates. Even though I don't really hate the third party candidates I think we would be better off just coming over and supporting trump to take down the corruption of the Clintons.

Take down the corruption of the Clintons? Alright. And then what? Let Trump implement his horrid policies, or hope that he'll resignate and let Pence implement his horrid policies?

[The balkens]

I feel like it's come to the point where people don't want to say that they support trump for fear of being labeled a racist bigoted homophobe intolerant... Whatever the rest of the average Liberal insults.

Hardly an insult when it fits. Trump is a racist, a bigot, intolerant, and opposes LGBT+ rights except when he can use them as a cudgel against Muslims.

But I think people need to start supporting trump over the third party candidates. Even though I don't really hate the third party candidates I think we would be better off just coming over and supporting trump to take down the corruption of the Clintons.

Take down the corruption of the Clintons? Alright. And then what? Let Trump implement his horrid policies, or hope that he'll resignate and let Pence implement his horrid policies?

you seem to have a knack for thinking the worst possible outcome.

[Greater Germania Reich]

Reminder that Trump is literally unstumpable and his power only grows as you attack him more.

[Liriena]

Ah, yes, because lower taxes and military interventionism abroad made America great during the Bush years, didn't it?

Tbf, Trump is more of an isolationist. ISIS is a legitimate threat, unlike the Hussein or Assad regimes, and I agree that the West needs to band together to stop it.

A legitimate threat in what regard? So far, they don't seem to have the capacity to actually threaten the governments, let alone the very existence, of the American state or its allies. They seembarely able to pose an existential threat to the Syrian and Iraqi governments.

The most they have been able to do in the United States is indirectly radicalize a handful of people and take credit for lone wolves.

[Liriena]

Hardly an insult when it fits. Trump is a racist, a bigot, intolerant, and opposes LGBT+ rights except when he can use them as a cudgel against Muslims.


Take down the corruption of the Clintons? Alright. And then what? Let Trump implement his horrid policies, or hope that he'll resignate and let Pence implement his horrid policies?

you seem to have a knack for thinking the worst possible outcome.

I'm an Argie. We are a people prone to that sort of pessimism.

[The balkens]

you seem to have a knack for thinking the worst possible outcome.

I'm an Argie. We are a people prone to that sort of pessimism.

trying to take on the Brits in a war tends to do that.

[Liriena]

Reminder that Trump is literally unstumpable and his power only grows as you attack him more.

So... he's Zack Snyder's Doomsday? How lame.

[Magna Singulorum]

Why is that?

I don't see the logic behind preferring to live in some war-torn, crime-riddled hellhole just because you can vote there instead of a safe, benevolent country that is a dictatorship.

The logic is that, in the downtrodden democracy, I get a voice and a choice.
I don't care how "safe" and "benevolent" a dictatorship is. It still has a lot more power than any state should be allowed to have, and the people living under it have little to no power to change things if the dictatorship abuses or misuses its power.

You claim to be against dictatorships, but gladly defend Political Correctness which creates an ideological dictatorship in that any dissenters are racist, sexist, bigotes, etc.
Quite the paradox, don't you think?

[Magna Singulorum]

Well I simply disagree, Economic libertarianism leads to competition and innovation. Big business leads to regulation and oligarchy.

...big business is exactly what economic libertarianism favors.

As soon as regulations are taken away, big businesses will stamp out any competition like roaches. Smaller companies are the easiest targets.

Ever read Jennifer Government? I believe it's the most accurate portrayal of what an actual economic libertarian state would look like. Not the idealistic nonsense that "companies will be super kind and fair to everyone else even though they can literally enslave people".

Well since you already made clear your true beliefs, why beat around the bush? Of course Big Government is the solution for a communist, all businesses are run by evil kulaks who sole existence is to oppress the proletariat. Am I right or what?

[The Wolven League]

...big business is exactly what economic libertarianism favors.

As soon as regulations are taken away, big businesses will stamp out any competition like roaches. Smaller companies are the easiest targets.

Ever read Jennifer Government? I believe it's the most accurate portrayal of what an actual economic libertarian state would look like. Not the idealistic nonsense that "companies will be super kind and fair to everyone else even though they can literally enslave people".

Well since you already made clear your true beliefs, why beat around the bush? Of course Big Government is the solution for a communist, all businesses are run by evil kulaks who sole existence is to oppress the proletariat. Am I right or what?

I'm fairly pessimistic and cynical, so I believe the leaders of corporations are usually corrupt or at least greedy, purely because leading a massive company tends to make one prioritize making as much profit as possible over being just and compassionate. It has nothing to do with my communist tendencies.

[Magna Singulorum]

Allow me to specify, Anti-PC is a rejection of Progressive Liberalism which is a twisted variation of Classic Liberalism that founded America.

Modern Progressive Liberals believe in Blind Egalitarianism, Equal Outcomes through Wealth Distribution, and a complete investment in grievance politics that thrives from divisiveness.
Classic Liberalism established Constitutional Liberties and inalienable rights, Equal Opportunity through Self Reliance, and a limitation of government powers.

Modern liberals, bless them, acknowledge the fact that classic liberalism, while valuable, is flawed and insufficient to solve all of humanity's problems. Good for them.

Obamas airstrikes have simply been a photo op, much like Bill Clinton lobbing cruise missiles in the '90s. Obama and the Democrats fight like cowards, the world senses our current weakness and exploits it. Obama's concession of Iraq led to ISIS, now a full fledge terrorist state exists ONLY because the sole Superpower on the planet ALLOWS them to exist.

A surprisingly effective photo op, I'd say. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/isis-losing-ground-in-iraq-syria-barack-obama/articleshow/52754433.cms

Also, the "the world" has a much higher opinion of the United States under Obama than it did during the Bush years. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jun/04/gretchen-carlson/gretchen-carlson-most-polls-show-world-has-lower-r/

Also, the rise of ISIS is not Obama's fault. http://usuncut.com/politics/flynn-former-head-of-us-special-forces-bushs-invasion-of-iraq-created-isis/

A nation without borders is not a nation at all, and let's be honest... That's is what's at the core of all Progressives , the absolute destruction of the United States of America in favor of a global communist New World Order.

This isn't Infowars, you know?

Government is not responsible for solving humanity's problems, individuals are responsible for their own lives as well as the condition of others closest to them. Ever heard "be the change you want to see in the world"? It's not the government's job to save us, and if you honestly believe humanity will ever be without flaw, then your liberal sense of decency has truly blinded you from reality.

Secondly, of course the world has a high opinion of us now that we are literally destroying ourselves and betraying the sacrifices that led to the rise of the greatest nation in human history. The world wants to see us fall, America is the last hope for Freedom and Liberty against the Tyranny on this planet.

[Koninkrijk Zeeland]

Modern liberals, bless them, acknowledge the fact that classic liberalism, while valuable, is flawed and insufficient to solve all of humanity's problems. Good for them.


A surprisingly effective photo op, I'd say. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/isis-losing-ground-in-iraq-syria-barack-obama/articleshow/52754433.cms

Also, the "the world" has a much higher opinion of the United States under Obama than it did during the Bush years. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jun/04/gretchen-carlson/gretchen-carlson-most-polls-show-world-has-lower-r/




Also, the rise of ISIS is not Obama's fault. http://usuncut.com/politics/flynn-former-head-of-us-special-forces-bushs-invasion-of-iraq-created-isis/


This isn't Infowars, you know?

Government is not responsible for solving humanity's problems, individuals are responsible for their own lives as well as the condition of others closest to them. Ever heard "be the change you want to see in the world"? It's not the government's job to save us, and if you honestly believe humanity will ever be without flaw, then your liberal sense of decency has truly blinded you from reality.

Secondly, of course the world has a high opinion of us now that we are literally destroying ourselves and betraying the sacrifices that led to the rise of the greatest nation in human history. The world wants to see us fall, America is the last hope for Freedom and Liberty against the Tyranny on this planet.

USA is like Nazi Germany invading countries under the so called banner of "freedom and democracy". They bombed Libya , Gadaffi was a dictator but he build this nation and made it the wealthiest country in africa and look at it now. Saddam Hussein kept extreme groups limited. Assad is the good guy who fights against terrorism. America keeps bombing nations and than thinks that they magicly become democratic.

They want to kill or imprison people like Edward Snowden who tell the truth.
USA is clearly not the last hope for democracy and freedom , it starts wars bombs nations under a false flag. Screw the US government. The USA should be like the Netherlands only trading and diplomacy and make weed legal what kind of backwards country make it normal to get 10 years in jail for smoking a bit of weed.

[Ashkera]

Well since you already made clear your true beliefs, why beat around the bush? Of course Big Government is the solution for a communist, all businesses are run by evil kulaks who sole existence is to oppress the proletariat. Am I right or what?

I think Communism failed pretty dramatically, but historically, businesses have externalized as much cost as possible and do not legitimately care about the welfare of workers. Whether it's the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire, or the couple of times the Cuyahoga River literally lit on fire from pollution, if you let business do what they want, they will cut costs by shafting someone else. Recently, there are apparently algae blooms in the waterways of Florida from industrial runoff, or something along those lines.

Hypothetically, consumers would stop this (even though they're under the same incredible cost-cutting pressures as businesses). In practice, how many Westerners have voted with their wallets against the various ecological disasters that are still going on in China? Not enough to put a stop to it, that's for sure.

To compete with unethical companies, you must be amazingly better or do unethical things to to get your costs down. If unethical companies are allowed to operate without being punished, ethical companies will eventually be forced out of the market as they are undercut on prices.

The failure to recognize that Capitalism also puts people under the control of massive, incomprehensible entity that doesn't share human values, not just the State, is a truly bizarre blind spot. Yes, it gives you more freedom than Stalinist Russia, and yes, that's a good thing. However, the only freedom that matters is the intersection of three things: what you are not prohibited to do, what you are able to do with the resources you can access, and what you want to do.

I mean really, there's just this bizarre refusal to acknowledge that wealth (control over resources) is a form of power, and that if you have to sell your labor to survive, an element of coercion is omnipresent. Sure, no one person is holding the gun, but that doesn't matter. Dead is dead, regardless of who pulls the metaphorical trigger.

But whatever, I don't feel like having this... [omitted] Libertarian argument Yet Another Time, so I'll just say this:

You DO NOT have to be a Communist or even a "Socialist" to think that Economic Libertarianism is full of crap.

[Liriena]

Modern liberals, bless them, acknowledge the fact that classic liberalism, while valuable, is flawed and insufficient to solve all of humanity's problems. Good for them.


A surprisingly effective photo op, I'd say. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/isis-losing-ground-in-iraq-syria-barack-obama/articleshow/52754433.cms

Also, the "the world" has a much higher opinion of the United States under Obama than it did during the Bush years. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jun/04/gretchen-carlson/gretchen-carlson-most-polls-show-world-has-lower-r/

Also, the rise of ISIS is not Obama's fault. http://usuncut.com/politics/flynn-former-head-of-us-special-forces-bushs-invasion-of-iraq-created-isis/


This isn't Infowars, you know?

Government is not responsible for solving humanity's problems, individuals are responsible for their own lives as well as the condition of others closest to them.

If government is not responsible for solving the bigger problems, beyond the reach of individuals, then why have it at all?

Also, sounds to me like you are a couple of thoughts away from anarchism, and for that I give you kudos.

Ever heard "be the change you want to see in the world"?

No, but it's a pretty nice sentiment.

It's not the government's job to save us,

Well, then let's get rid of the military and the police.

and if you honestly believe humanity will ever be without flaw, then your liberal sense of decency has truly blinded you from reality.

I'm a bit of an utopian. I hope that humanity will one day exist in harmony with itself and the universe.
Do I believe that humanity will ever be "perfect"? "Flawless"? No. I can't even begin to imagine what a "flawless" individual human would be like, so how could I envision a "flawless" civilization?

Secondly, of course the world has a high opinion of us now that we are literally destroying ourselves and betraying the sacrifices that led to the rise of the greatest nation in human history. The world wants to see us fall, America is the last hope for Freedom and Liberty against the Tyranny on this planet.

Or maybe the world has a high opinion because they perceive the United States as being a far more positive power in the international sphere than it used to be.

Also, please take your nationalist self-fellating down a notch. Your country is not the only one with "Freedom and Liberty" (rather redundant, by the way). In fact, several nations have a somewhat better record when it comes to freedom than yours does. And it's this same self-agrandized and patronizing attitude which turned many against you in the first place, specially when that same attitude led to disaster after disaster.

[Calimera II]

Heil Trump.
He will bomb the shit of IS.
He will lower taxes on corporations.
Make America great again.

Your fellow supporter from the Netherlands.

Oh my, he will actually bomb the shot of IS. Not sure whether that is really effective...

[Liriena]

The logic is that, in the downtrodden democracy, I get a voice and a choice.
I don't care how "safe" and "benevolent" a dictatorship is. It still has a lot more power than any state should be allowed to have, and the people living under it have little to no power to change things if the dictatorship abuses or misuses its power.

You claim to be against dictatorships, but gladly defend Political Correctness which creates an ideological dictatorship in that any dissenters are racist, sexist, bigotes, etc.
Quite the paradox, don't you think?

No.

I don't "defend political correctness", nor do I think that anyone and everyone who disagrees with me is racist, sexist, bigoted, etc. What I believe is in critical thinking being applied, not just in academic contexts, but also in our everyday behaviour and language. I believe in thinking critically about how some language reflects on issues of race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, faith, etc. I do not believe in silencing everyone who disagrees with me through public shaming, let alone state action.

Also, political correctness is not a "dictatorship" of any sort, as far as I'm concerned.

[United Marxist Nations]

Not a Trump supporter per se, but I'd be willing to make a vote for him as a bit of a protest ballot, because I don't think he will do too much damage, and, if he really wants reapprochement with Russia, I support that.

[Megzlegz]

I did support Bernie but the election is so rigged, the rich a knew he would fix our society for everyone, and not just them so they changed the votes. With the collaboration of Hillary, of course.

[The Wolven League]

Not a Trump supporter per se, but I'd be willing to make a vote for him as a bit of a protest ballot, because I don't think he will do too much damage, and, if he really wants reapprochement with Russia, I support that.

Glad to hear you at least somewhat support Trump as well.

He's the better alternative to Clinton, all the way.

[United Marxist Nations]

Not a Trump supporter per se, but I'd be willing to make a vote for him as a bit of a protest ballot, because I don't think he will do too much damage, and, if he really wants reapprochement with Russia, I support that.

Glad to hear you at least somewhat support Trump as well.

He's the better alternative to Clinton, all the way.

I definitely think he's right about certain things, particularly that the country is on track for economic stagnation and eventual decline, and that the deindustrialization of the country has been a bad thing.