Am i literally the only Trump supporter on NS?

[Mike the Progressive]

Not to go off track, but how the fuck is Nixon anything like Goebbels? Truly. I want to know the twisted logic here.

As for nationalism, I have no problem with it. Teddy Roosevelt was a nationalist. However he recognized the important role America has to play on the global scene. America has been a force for good in this world. It helped liberate Europe and parts of Asia after WW2. While it has involved itself in tragic wars with no end in sight, the intent was not malicious. And the benefits, while minimal perhaps to you and me, means something to the many in the Middle East.

The intent was also not to be a benevolent military power. The US, like every state, fights for its own interests. It's just that often said interests coincide with other states' and other people's interests. That's basic geopolitics.

I'm aware of that. But I like to think that one of our interests includes making the world a better place. The Iraq War did not do that, but does not mean every war has been bad. Nor does it mean every war in the future won't benefit people. That is all I'm trying to say.

[Freefall11111]

The intent was also not to be a benevolent military power. The US, like every state, fights for its own interests. It's just that often said interests coincide with other states' and other people's interests. That's basic geopolitics.

I'm aware of that. But I like to think that one of our interests includes making the world a better place. The Iraq War did not do that, but does not mean every war has been bad. Nor does it mean every war in the future won't benefit people. That is all I'm trying to say.

I don't think the interest is to make the world a better place, it's just a byproduct of much of US foreign policy since the 1940's. Effectively the same result in most cases, but not all. The US has gone through with policies that made the world worse for everyone but the US before intentionally, and it could happen again depending on who is in charge.

[Waldriech]

Guys, Trump is shit, he is just awful....
But at least he is better than Crooked Hillary.

- Trump - Pence - 2016 - "Make America Great Again." -

[Mike the Progressive]

I'm aware of that. But I like to think that one of our interests includes making the world a better place. The Iraq War did not do that, but does not mean every war has been bad. Nor does it mean every war in the future won't benefit people. That is all I'm trying to say.

I don't think the interest is to make the world a better place, it's just a byproduct of much of US foreign policy since the 1940's. Effectively the same result in most cases, but not all. The US has gone through with policies that made the world worse for everyone but the US before intentionally, and it could happen again depending on who is in charge.

I agree. There's been too much cynicism in American foreign policy. But does that mean it's to be like that forever? I truly think that Iraq, while misguided, wasn't about oil. It was blind idealism. Misunderstanding the people there. The sectarian divisions. And boggled with post-war partisanship and divisions. Not just with Congress and the President. But between the State Department and the DOD. My point being yes, every nation acts in its own self interests. But does not mean we can't act more altruistically.

[Mike the Progressive]

Guys, Trump is shit, he is just awful....
But at least he is better than Crooked Hillary.

- Trump - Pence - 2016 - "Make America Great Again." -

He really is not.

[Freefall11111]

I don't think the interest is to make the world a better place, it's just a byproduct of much of US foreign policy since the 1940's. Effectively the same result in most cases, but not all. The US has gone through with policies that made the world worse for everyone but the US before intentionally, and it could happen again depending on who is in charge.

I agree. There's been too much cynicism in American foreign policy. But does that mean it's to be like that forever? I truly think that Iraq, while misguided, wasn't about oil. It was blind idealism. Misunderstanding the people there. The sectarian divisions. And boggled with post-war partisanship and divisions. Not just with Congress and the President. But between the State Department and the DOD. My point being yes, every nation acts in its own self interests. But does not mean we can't act more altruistically.

The biggest misconception was that of the neo-conservative "Democratic Domino Theory". For a while they were cheering during the Arab Spring because it seemed like Iraq could turn around into a success, but that turned out even worse than just having an unstable Iraq.

[Big Jim P]

Guys, Trump is shit, he is just awful....
But at least he is better than Crooked Hillary.

- Trump - Pence - 2016 - "Make America Great Again." -

He really is not.

you'd be hard pressed to find anyone worse than hillary. I doubt that it's even possible.

[The Black Forrest]

He really is not.

you'd be hard pressed to find anyone worse than hillary. I doubt that it's even possible.

Sure you can. His name is Trump.

[Mike the Progressive]

He really is not.

you'd be hard pressed to find anyone worse than hillary. I doubt that it's even possible.

I don't. For one I sincerely don't think she's as corrupt as everybody portrays her.

[Ithqington]

Hello Nixon

Which US candidates do you support for 2016 presidential election?

Hillary Fucking Clinton.

OKay then, but Are you One of Moderate Republican who support Hillary Clinton?

[Lavochkin]

He really is not.

you'd be hard pressed to find anyone worse than hillary. I doubt that it's even possible.

Uhh Stalin? If you want to keep it American how about Hoover? Jackson? Nixon?

[Shonto]

Unfortunately, no.

[Hirota]

Huh, and there I was thinking NS was firmly leaning towards Democrat.

I voted neither, partially because I am not American, but mainly because I believe that this is an entirely inept bunch of reprobates to choose from.

[Mike the Progressive]

you'd be hard pressed to find anyone worse than hillary. I doubt that it's even possible.

Uhh Stalin? If you want to keep it American how about Hoover? Jackson? Nixon?

Nixon was about as bad as LBJ, tbh. Difference is Nixon got caught.

[Llamalandia]

gotta say kinda surprised by the poll results so far about 163 to 111 in favor of trump as of this post. I mean I knew there was a something of a "silent majority" on NSG of right wing folks that participate in polls and lurk on the forums while leftist NSGers tend to be more active posters I had no idea it was to this extent. I mean it is kinda weird to read the forums and see NS lean at least left of center and then see this poll. Of course collectively the "not Trump" vote has a majority but still...wow.

[Tekania]

I support Jill Stein.... I do not want Hillary, nor do I want Trump.

[United States Kingdom]

The reason mostly why people haven't heard of her is b/c the USA has a two party system, and one can honestly make the argument that the Democrats, and Republicans aren't that different, as they are supported(at least in terms of their Presidential candidate) mostly by the people they claim to fight against. I also never stated Supreme will be president, as he actually isn't a serious candidate. Your original point about her manipulating voters isn't true. All I'm hearing from you is "Hillary Clinton is shit, but out of the two candidates, she is the least shittiest", at least from the main point of your paragraph.

People haven't heard of the Green Party because its a tiny party. Most of the Green Party's elected officials are Dog Catchers and Postmaster Generals and the like. They hold less than 120 offices and have their hats in about 120 more. They are not big enough to support an actual presidential bid.

People haven't heard of the Green Party b/c they either don't bother to much about it. America is stuck with a two party system, so when another party is created, it faces a shit ton of obstacles, especially considering the fact that most of the candidates aren't really that different, and are supported by corporations.

And you think the DNC is as well? They get their funding mostly from the bourgeois. Same goes for the GOP. The Green Party actually gets most of their money from campaign donations, and not Super Pacs.

[The balkens]

People haven't heard of the Green Party because its a tiny party. Most of the Green Party's elected officials are Dog Catchers and Postmaster Generals and the like. They hold less than 120 offices and have their hats in about 120 more. They are not big enough to support an actual presidential bid.

People haven't heard of the Green Party b/c they either don't bother to much about it. America is stuck with a two party system, so when another party is created, it faces a shit ton of obstacles, especially considering the fact that most of the candidates aren't really that different, and are supported by corporations.

And you think the DNC is as well? They get their funding mostly from the bourgeois. Same goes for the GOP. The Green Party actually gets most of their money from campaign donations, and not Super Pacs.

*Drink

[Liriena]

He really is not.

you'd be hard pressed to find anyone worse than hillary. I doubt that it's even possible.

Let's see... Did Hillary propose reforming libel laws so she can sue any outlet that criticises her? Did Hillary pledge to overturn marriage equality? Did Hillary propose wasting billions of dollars, and potentially crash the economy, in the name of xenophobia? Is she against Roe v. Wade? Did she propose defaulting on the national debt, or bringing back torture? Does she pander to white supremacists and far-right Christians? Did she refuse to release her tax returns? Did she mock Bernie Sanders' wife's appearance on Twitter, or slander her father? Did she take the time during her debates with Sanders to reassure the American public that her vagina is fine? Has she already endangered the United States' relation with several allies, in favour of authoritarian leaders like Putin? Did she pick a Christian fundamentalist as her vicepresidential candidate?

I don't like Hillary Clinton as a politician. She has no small amount of glaring flaws and has made a lot of mistakes. But is she the worst? No, not even close.

[Socialist Nordia]

People haven't heard of the Green Party because its a tiny party. Most of the Green Party's elected officials are Dog Catchers and Postmaster Generals and the like. They hold less than 120 offices and have their hats in about 120 more. They are not big enough to support an actual presidential bid.

People haven't heard of the Green Party b/c they either don't bother to much about it. America is stuck with a two party system, so when another party is created, it faces a shit ton of obstacles, especially considering the fact that most of the candidates aren't really that different, and are supported by corporations.

And you think the DNC is as well? They get their funding mostly from the bourgeois. Same goes for the GOP. The Green Party actually gets most of their money from campaign donations, and not Super Pacs.

It's bs like this I can't stand. Have you seen the fucking platforms? I understand if you hate both, but they are by no means the same.

[The Federal District of Vice Santos]

As a Canadian, I do not support Trump. It’s not that I don’t understand the appeal of some of his stances he’s held during his campaign (anti-Iraq War, anti-Libya intervention, staying out of the Syrian Civil War and realizing the ISIS fight is really the Middle East’s fight, his admiration of universal healthcare, supporting the LGTBQ community), or that I fail to realize that he sounds strong to his supporters and that radical Islamism exists (although Trump conveniently ignores that Muslims are the greatest victim of radical Islamism). Even researching his independent run in 2000, I found his proposal of taxing the 1% while giving the 99% a tax cut interesting, although I don’t know if he still holds that stance, since it was criticised back then, and Trump 2016 is not the same as Trump 2000.

But between his current campaign that resembles a fascist rising to power, his constant retweeting of white nationalists and supremacists, the xenophobia of some of his adult supporters that targets even little kids, not acknowledging the role mental illness plays in the violence in the US, his stances on the environment and climate change, and his ducking of Bernie Sanders for a debate this past June, I cannot support this man at all. While I understand the concerns about Hillary Clinton, she seems preferable to Trump.

I also cannot ignore that his defeat would coincide with the Republicans having to go in the political wilderness and start cleaning house in the party after losing the general election for the third time in a row (a feat not accomplished by the Republicans since the ‘30s and ‘40s) and would put them in a struggle with the Libertarian Party to be the major party alongside the Democrats. The struggle between the two parties might lead to the Libertarian Party replacing the Republican Party if the Republicans don’t change for the better, in light of the fact that the US has a first-past-the-post system, which doesn’t allow for more than two major parties to be elected to power.

With all due respect, I think you have an inflated view of how large the Libertarian party is. More likely than not, the Republican party, if they are wise will have to alter their stance and adopt Libertarian policy, which is the only way they will survive. I think they're corrupt, lazy little fucks anyway- but at least they're not the Democrats, who declare ideological war on anyone they find offensive or disagreeable. Both sides are basically morally inferior.

Didn’t realize my view on the Libertarians was overinflated. Just thought my view was objective. You make fair points nonetheless.

[The Wolven League]

NS players tend to be very liberal it seems. Why support trump though?

Well, our other choice isn't much better.

[The balkens]

NS players tend to be very liberal it seems. Why support trump though?

Well, our other choice isn't much better.

every other while or so, i tell myself "oh god, please dont make me vote trump."

[The Wolven League]

Well, our other choice isn't much better.

every other while or so, i tell myself "oh god, please dont make me vote trump."

Wait, who are you supporting?

[The balkens]

every other while or so, i tell myself "oh god, please dont make me vote trump."

Wait, who are you supporting?

Trump if i have to or Johnson.