Russia banned from Rio?

[Khadgar]

Sure, sure. WADA is so racist! Everyone hates Russians and they're out to get you!

Quick, someone tell Putin! This affront to Russia cannot stand!

Erm, not sure if you're aware, Geilinor, but banning clean athletes who train in Russia, most of whom are Russian, is racism. If they were to ban the Russian athletes that were caught doping before, that would be fine. But banning clean athletes, i.e. the ones who never doped, solely because they train in Russia, (meaning that most of them are ethnic Russians,) is racism.

Considering the fact that Russian labs have cooperated in helping Russian athletes beat anti-doping checks, too bad. It's not like this has been a few athletes in a single Olympics, Russia has been consistently cheating for decades. Jingoism isn't required as an explanation, it's not like the rest of the world suddenly decided to pick on the poor Russians, the poor Russians have been cheating their asses off for years.

[Geilinor]

Sure, sure. WADA is so racist! Everyone hates Russians and they're out to get you!

Quick, someone tell Putin! This affront to Russia cannot stand!

Erm, not sure if you're aware, Geilinor, but banning clean athletes who train in Russia, most of whom are Russian, is racism. If they were to ban the Russian athletes that were caught doping before, that would be fine. But banning clean athletes, i.e. the ones who never doped, solely because they train in Russia, (meaning that most of them are ethnic Russians,) is racism.

Some athletes who are clean will be allowed to compete.

[Tulais]

I'm still wagering that the doping is more widespread than just Russia, but you're right that they won't be missing much. From the looks of it, Rio is going to be a fiasco this year. You probably won't see anything wrong on the television, but it'll manifest itself in a clever Huffington Post article or something like that.

Yep. From the comforts of our homes it'll probably just look like any other, but the actual news coming out of Rio is pretty depressing and should really make anyone question why having the olympics there in the first place was a good idea.

[Spiffier]

If there is serious evidence that institutionalized state-sponsored doping is going on, then of course they ought to ban them. However, if there is not substantial evidence, then this is a very sorry, sick, political stunt.

[Napkiraly]

Sure, sure. WADA is so racist! Everyone hates Russians and they're out to get you!

Quick, someone tell Putin! This affront to Russia cannot stand!

Erm, not sure if you're aware, Geilinor, but banning clean athletes who train in Russia, most of whom are Russian, is racism. If they were to ban the Russian athletes that were caught doping before, that would be fine. But banning clean athletes, i.e. the ones who never doped, solely because they train in Russia, (meaning that most of them are ethnic Russians,) is racism.

They are banned because the punishment is being meted out to the Russian government, whom they believe to have orchestrated doping of their Olympic athletes. They aren't being banned for being ethnic Russians.

[Gatito]

Erm, not sure if you're aware, Geilinor, but banning clean athletes who train in Russia, most of whom are Russian, is racism. If they were to ban the Russian athletes that were caught doping before, that would be fine. But banning clean athletes, i.e. the ones who never doped, solely because they train in Russia, (meaning that most of them are ethnic Russians,) is racism.

Some athletes who are clean will be allowed to compete.

That's not what's happening right now.

[Geilinor]

I want proof that WADA has political motivations.

I want proof that criticism against western corruption equates to nationalism.

Prove the corruption in this case first and then we'll talk.

[Gatito]

I'm still wagering that the doping is more widespread than just Russia, but you're right that they won't be missing much. From the looks of it, Rio is going to be a fiasco this year. You probably won't see anything wrong on the television, but it'll manifest itself in a clever Huffington Post article or something like that.

Yep. From the comforts of our homes it'll probably just look like any other, but the actual news coming out of Rio is pretty depressing and should really make anyone question why having the olympics there in the first place was a good idea.

Such is the reason why we haven't even had an Olympic games in Africa yet: it's a cesspool of corruption made to satisfy nationalism and to line the pockets of the people who orchestrate it. Only the elite can afford to pull off something like that.

[Shofercia]

I'm going to bet that the rest of the athletes are doping as well, but this is just a way for the west to do antagonizing towards Russia since they're pretty much incapable of doing it in places that it actually matters.

Do you seriously believe that the Olympics are a Western-controlled plot? This type of paranoid nationalism is going too far.

So if it's not racism, why ban athletes like Isinbayeva? The Olympics aren't a Western-controlled plot; what we're saying, is that the ban is racist. Not the Olympics. Not the plot. But the ban. The ban itself. Got that? Good. The ban is a single, completely idiotic policy, implemented during the Olympics.

For instance, when Obama invoked executive privilege to defend Eric Holder, he didn't give all black people carte blanche to sell weapons to Mexican druglords. It was a single, completely stupid policy, which miserably failed. Much like the ban.

It's the beginning of the end for BRICS.

How?

Umm, Russia just got banned by accusations almost entirely fermented in the US and Canada. How have the olympics not been hijacked by western foreign policy? You can try waving off everything we say as paranoid if you want to avoid actual discussion though.

I want proof that WADA has political motivations.

How about WADA's Meldonium ban? Meldonium is a drug used primarily by Eastern European women, to fight heart disease. Like Russia's Flag Bearer, Maria Sharapova. Why ban it? It was effectively used for decades, primarily by Eastern European women. Sexist and racist in one, nicely done WADA.

[Gatito]

I want proof that criticism against western corruption equates to nationalism.

Prove the corruption in this case first and then we'll talk.

It goes like this:

America doesn't like Russia.

Olympic games are coming up.

America will use its gigantic influence and the influence of its puppet state to prevent Russia from participating.

Woo-hoo! You've got corruption.

[Spiffier]

Too be honest, from what I've been hearing, they won't be missing much in regards to this olympics.

In all seriousness being banned from events because you break the organization's rules seems pretty fair.

I'm still wagering that the doping is more widespread than just Russia, but you're right that they won't be missing much. From the looks of it, Rio is going to be a fiasco this year. You probably won't see anything wrong on the television, but it'll manifest itself in a clever Huffington Post article or something like that.

Huffington Post is about as objective as Fox News.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Why not just ban the athletes found to be on roids? Why block all Russian competition from Track and Field?

[Geilinor]

Some athletes who are clean will be allowed to compete.

That's not what's happening right now.

That's not what the president of the IOC is saying.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/36581397

[Ostroeuropa]

Umm, Russia just got banned by accusations almost entirely fermented in the US and Canada. How have the olympics not been hijacked by western foreign policy? You can try waving off everything we say as paranoid if you want to avoid actual discussion though.

I want proof that WADA has political motivations.

I'd say they have financial motivations and that much is obvious.
If western governments lean on the WADA to be dicks to russia, that goes a long way, because they are simply wealthier. They also have to deal with the fact that an olympics in russia would inevitably lead to routine and repeated boycotts and shit-flipping from the western press.

Conversely, who's going to side with Russia?
Belarus?
Some impoverished third world countries?
Who cares.

The fact of the matter is it's in their financial interests to do what western governments want. They liked China too, because money.

Also not surprising, their shilling for arabs and their oil money.

Russia though? Kind of faltering on the whole "I can pay you to say we're awesome" thing, and when you get down to it, the Olympics is one big nation-whore. They'll turn up to your country and suck your collective imaginary dicks for a few hundred million and tell you you're the biggest they've ever had.

I don't doubt for a fucking second that if the financial crash happened yesterday and Russia struck SUPERGOLD (like gold, but super), they'd be rambling about how awesome Russia is when it comes to international solidarity and all that.

When you get right down to it, they are mercenary. That isn't the same thing as political motivations.

[Gatito]

I'm still wagering that the doping is more widespread than just Russia, but you're right that they won't be missing much. From the looks of it, Rio is going to be a fiasco this year. You probably won't see anything wrong on the television, but it'll manifest itself in a clever Huffington Post article or something like that.

Huffington Post is about as objective as Fox News.

You're right, which is why they'll probably downplay it and hint towards Hillary Clinton as being the solution.

[Ostroeuropa]

Why not just ban the athletes found to be on roids? Why block all Russian competition from Track and Field?

Arguably, if Russia were actively trying to push doping as an official policy, it does make sense to ban them outright, or every country would just field two benches.
One doping, and one as backup if they get caught.

[Geilinor]

Why not just ban the athletes found to be on roids? Why block all Russian competition from Track and Field?

Because there's evidence that the Russian government was involved.

[Gatito]

Why not just ban the athletes found to be on roids? Why block all Russian competition from Track and Field?

Because there's evidence that the Russian government was involved.

Interesting how you are willingly admitting that the Russian government was involved in helping its athletes dope, and yet you refuse to admit that western governments were involved in the decision by the Olympic administration to ban Russia.

This is what you call bias.

[Geilinor]

Prove the corruption in this case first and then we'll talk.

It goes like this:

America doesn't like Russia.

Olympic games are coming up.

America will use its gigantic influence and the influence of its puppet state to prevent Russia from participating.

Woo-hoo! You've got corruption.

What did America do specifically to get Russia banned?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Why not just ban the athletes found to be on roids? Why block all Russian competition from Track and Field?

Because there's evidence that the Russian government was involved.

So? It seems unfair to the athletes who love Russia and want to run for her, but worked hard and didn't cheat.

[Viadora]

This proves that Rocky IV was a documentary.

[Geilinor]

Because there's evidence that the Russian government was involved.

Interesting how you are willingly admitting that the Russian government was involved in helping its athletes dope, and yet you refuse to admit that western governments were involved in the decision by the Olympic administration to ban Russia.

This is what you call bias.

Enforcing the rules is not bias.

[Freefall11111]

Because there's evidence that the Russian government was involved.

Interesting how you are willingly admitting that the Russian government was involved in helping its athletes dope, and yet you refuse to admit that western governments were involved in the decision by the Olympic administration to ban Russia.

This is what you call bias.

So you're saying there's equal amounts of evidence for both claims?

[Shofercia]

Erm, not sure if you're aware, Geilinor, but banning clean athletes who train in Russia, most of whom are Russian, is racism. If they were to ban the Russian athletes that were caught doping before, that would be fine. But banning clean athletes, i.e. the ones who never doped, solely because they train in Russia, (meaning that most of them are ethnic Russians,) is racism.

Considering the fact that Russian labs have cooperated in helping Russian athletes beat anti-doping checks, too bad. It's not like this has been a few athletes in a single Olympics, Russia has been consistently cheating for decades. Jingoism isn't required as an explanation, it's not like the rest of the world suddenly decided to pick on the poor Russians, the poor Russians have been cheating their asses off for years.

Ok, cite me a single primary source, aside from "a totally cover source", someone who claimed to be insane, (Rodchenkov,) or a butthurt couple. Surely if this practice was so widespread, you can name more than 3 primary sources. Go ahead.

Erm, not sure if you're aware, Geilinor, but banning clean athletes who train in Russia, most of whom are Russian, is racism. If they were to ban the Russian athletes that were caught doping before, that would be fine. But banning clean athletes, i.e. the ones who never doped, solely because they train in Russia, (meaning that most of them are ethnic Russians,) is racism.

Some athletes who are clean will be allowed to compete.

Not if WADA had their way. All athletes who train in Russia, including completely clean athletes who never doped, are banned. That's WADA's official policy. Hence the racism charge against WADA.

Erm, not sure if you're aware, Geilinor, but banning clean athletes who train in Russia, most of whom are Russian, is racism. If they were to ban the Russian athletes that were caught doping before, that would be fine. But banning clean athletes, i.e. the ones who never doped, solely because they train in Russia, (meaning that most of them are ethnic Russians,) is racism.

They are banned because the punishment is being meted out to the Russian government, whom they believe to have orchestrated doping of their Olympic athletes. They aren't being banned for being ethnic Russians.

Amazingly enough, you can punish the government, by banning them from attending the Olympics. Clean athletes who never doped, should not be punished, irrespective of their birthplace. Oh, and the primary sources that WADA stated include someone who claimed to be crazy, and a butthurt sports couple. They're banning numerous athletes, based on 3 biased testimonies that wouldn't stand up in Court. Here's an actual testimony that WADA is using as credible.

But hey, let me quote it: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/sport ... -2014.html

In a dark-of-night operation, Russian antidoping experts and members of the intelligence service surreptitiously replaced urine samples tainted by performance-enhancing drugs with clean urine collected months earlier, somehow breaking into the supposedly tamper-proof bottles that are the standard at international competitions, Dr. Rodchenkov said. For hours each night, they worked in a shadow laboratory lit by a single lamp, passing bottles of urine through a hand-size hole in the wall, to be ready for testing the next day, he said.

Erm, let's take some common sense into account. If Russia was to dope, as Rodchenkov alleges, why the fuck would Russia not be using elite forces? After all, Sochi was extremely prestigious, so why wouldn't Russia be doing that? And if Russian Elites would be doing that, why the fuck would the Russian Elites use just a single lamp that could go out at any time? "The SpetzNaz operation in Syria failed, because a single lamp went out" - the "truth" in Rodchenkov's and WADA's World. This is just comically pathetic.

[Ostroeuropa]

Because there's evidence that the Russian government was involved.

So? It seems unfair to the athletes who love Russia and want to run for her, but worked hard and didn't cheat.

There is a neutral team for them to compete in, incidentally. (It's for athletes who object to a particular state or who identify with a nation not legally recognized. It usually gets about one or two people.)
Nobody is forcing them to compete for Russia.

RUSSIA has been banned from competing. Not necessarily their non-doped athletes.