US GENERAL ELECTION MEGA-THREAD II: Clinton vs. Trump

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

He wants traditional marriage. Not really something pro LGBT. he also supports conversion therapy if I'm not mistaken

He supports therapy for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder

Which is a serious illness. Separation between an illness and people just being trans for whatever personnel reason is key.

Body Dysmorphic Disorder has nothing to do with being transgender. Transpeople suffer from "Gender Dysphoria," as outlined in DSM-V. Being transgender is not a mental disorder, as "Gender Dysphoria" simply refers to the feeling that having an identity that conflicts with your birth sex creates. Coincidentally, the APA, which publishes the DSM, also stipulates that transitioning, whether through HRT or HRT and SRS is the only way to treat Gender Dysphoria.

[PaNTuXIa]

The point here is, that Trump is lying about most of these things. He outsources the production of nearly all of his own products, so why would he try to bring other jobs back? He doesn't walk the walk. And his economic "plans" would add trillions to the debt and destroy millions of jobs. It's just more of that trickle down garbage the GOP has been peddling for 30 years now.



The Donald wants to kill terrorists families, go after them everywhere they are, which will increase anti American resentment. Give nukes to Korea, Japan and Saudi Arabia and has no problem telling our allies in NATO to eff off so his buddy Putin can benefit.

And his choice of running mate confirms it. Pence backed the Iraq war agressively, backed free trade treaties and is a life long insider (which incidentally Trump also is). Trump is a snake oil salesman peddling whatever you want to hear.

But you are right, the choice IS easy. A sane Clinton, or conman and consummate liar Trump.

Citation for the underlined needed.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/07/2 ... -Double-It

[Liriena]

So how do you do both?

Also I think you'll forgive me if I don't support the candidate who has made oppressing me and people like me a specific part of his platform.

He hasn't. Stop being daft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygIDdXEpPnk

He's said he'd protect you and your community from violence and tons of additional stuff. He obviously sees all american citizens as american citizens. Stop kidding yourself. He's promised more than any other american president in history would have done for the LGBTQ community.

Oh, please. He only promised he would "protect" us from a foreign ideology. All the while, he has openly flirted with the Christian right, promised to overturn marriage equality, chosen a notoriously anti-LGBT+ politician as his vicepresidential candidate, and is running under a staunchly anti-LGBT+ party platform.

Don't try to sell me and the rest of LGBT+ community his rotten fish.

[Socialist Nordia]

He wants traditional marriage. Not really something pro LGBT. he also supports conversion therapy if I'm not mistaken

He supports therapy for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder

Which is a serious illness. Separation between an illness and people just being trans for whatever personnel reason is key.

His party, platform, and vp all want conversion therapy for LGBT people, traditional marriage, and stupid bathroom laws. He has stated he supports two of those, but Is yet to comment on conversion "therapy" (aka abuse), but we can assume he does if he picked someone so adamant about it for vp and his delegates pushed for it in the platform.

[Maurepas]

So how do you do both?

Also I think you'll forgive me if I don't support the candidate who has made oppressing me and people like me a specific part of his platform.

He hasn't. Stop being daft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygIDdXEpPnk

He's said he'd protect you and your community from violence and tons of additional stuff. He obviously sees all american citizens as american citizens. Stop kidding yourself. He's promised more than any other american president in history would have done for the LGBTQ community.

He said that. But it's in direct contradiction to the Party Platform, which explicitly attacks the LGBTQ+ community. That he wants to pander to it doesn't change that.

https://www.gop.com/the-2016-republican-party-platform/

Our laws and our government’s regulations should recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman. For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states. We oppose government discrimination against businesses or entities which decline to sell items or services to individuals for activities that go against their religious views about such activities...Traditional marriage and family, based on marriage between one man and one woman,is the foundation for a free society and has for millennia been entrusted with rearing children and instilling cultural values. We condemn the Supreme Court’s ruling in United States v. Windsor, which wrongly removed the ability of Congress to define marriage policy in federal law. We also condemn the Supreme Court’s lawless ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges

Either Trump is lying, or he is explicitly going to ignore his Party's actual Platform.

[New West Guiana]

He supports therapy for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder

Which is a serious illness. Separation between an illness and people just being trans for whatever personnel reason is key.

His party, platform, and vp all want conversion therapy for LGBT people, traditional marriage, and stupid bathroom laws. He has stated he supports two of those, but Is yet to comment on conversion "therapy" (aka abuse), but we can assume he does if he picked someone so adamant about it for vp and his delegates pushed for it in the platform.

Also Pence is in favour of forcing women who have had miscarriages to be sentenced to prison for manslaughter and is open to the idea of forcing said women to bury their miscarriage in a full funeral.

[Kelinfort]

Because the political compass placements are so bad for the candidates, I made my own. I took the quiz estimating their views. It was hard, considering so much of it isn't really issues they talk about, but this is the best I could do.
(Image)
Good or no?

I like it. Maybe Hillary right on the dividing line on economics.

[Trumpostan]

The point here is, that Trump is lying about most of these things. He outsources the production of nearly all of his own products, so why would he try to bring other jobs back? He doesn't walk the walk. And his economic "plans" would add trillions to the debt and destroy millions of jobs. It's just more of that trickle down garbage the GOP has been peddling for 30 years now.



The Donald wants to kill terrorists families, go after them everywhere they are, which will increase anti American resentment. Give nukes to Korea, Japan and Saudi Arabia and has no problem telling our allies in NATO to eff off so his buddy Putin can benefit.

And his choice of running mate confirms it. Pence backed the Iraq war agressively, backed free trade treaties and is a life long insider (which incidentally Trump also is). Trump is a snake oil salesman peddling whatever you want to hear.

But you are right, the choice IS easy. A sane Clinton, or conman and consummate liar Trump.

Citation for the underlined needed.

No problem, here you go.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... thinks-so/

According to Donald Trump, the United States should not try so hard to stop nuclear proliferation. On Sunday night, during a Republican town hall hosted by CNN’s Anderson Cooper, Trump declared that proliferation is “going to happen anyway.” And just a week earlier, Trump told the New York Times, “If Japan had that nuclear threat, I’m not sure that would be a bad thing for us.” Nor would it be so bad, he’s said, if South Korea and Saudi Arabia had nuclear weapons, too.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-plan ... 1469132704

Various analyses show Mr. Trump’s tax and spending plans result in more than a $10 trillion increase in the debt over a decade, an increase greater than 50% from today’s $19 trillion indebtedness. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, Mr. Trump’s policies reduce federal revenue from 18% of GDP to 14% of GDP, the lowest level since 1950.

You're welcome.

[Liriena]

His party, platform, and vp all want conversion therapy for LGBT people, traditional marriage, and stupid bathroom laws. He has stated he supports two of those, but Is yet to comment on conversion "therapy" (aka abuse), but we can assume he does if he picked someone so adamant about it for vp and his delegates pushed for it in the platform.

Also Pence is in favour of forcing women who have had miscarriages to be sentenced to prison for manslaughter and is open to the idea of forcing said women to bury their miscarriage in a full funeral.

Also, the supposedly "peaceful" Trump supports ISIS-style torture and thinks the Geneva Convention is "obsolete".

[Smirkeria]

Here's a text based RP where you control either Clinton or Trump. The VP list is a bit outdated, but it's still a pretty fun game.
I managed to get an electoral college tie...
https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/camp ... ame/252569

[Gauthier]

Here's a text based RP where you control either Clinton or Trump. The VP list is a bit outdated, but it's still a pretty fun game.
I managed to get an electoral college tie...
https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/camp ... ame/252569

What are their stats and abilities?

[Corrian]

I heard the crowd cheer more with the "And Bernie too" line in this song.

[New West Guiana]

Also Pence is in favour of forcing women who have had miscarriages to be sentenced to prison for manslaughter and is open to the idea of forcing said women to bury their miscarriage in a full funeral.

Also, the supposedly "peaceful" Trump supports ISIS-style torture and thinks the Geneva Convention is "obsolete".

I'm sorry I was wrong when I said Pence supported, the POS signed a bill into law that actualy has put a woman in prison simply because she had a miscarriage.
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/4/2/20_years_in_prison_for_miscarrying

[Soldati Senza Confini]

His party, platform, and vp all want conversion therapy for LGBT people, traditional marriage, and stupid bathroom laws. He has stated he supports two of those, but Is yet to comment on conversion "therapy" (aka abuse), but we can assume he does if he picked someone so adamant about it for vp and his delegates pushed for it in the platform.

Also Pence is in favour of forcing women who have had miscarriages to be sentenced to prison for manslaughter and is open to the idea of forcing said women to bury their miscarriage in a full funeral.

Wait, wait wait.... What?

*checks his GPS*

Huh, that's odd. It says I'm in Dallas. For a moment there I thought I was in San Salvador.

[Liriena]

Also, the supposedly "peaceful" Trump supports ISIS-style torture and thinks the Geneva Convention is "obsolete".

I'm sorry but Penced signed a bill into law that actualy has put a woman in prison simply because she had a miscarriage.
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/4/2/20_years_in_prison_for_miscarrying

Ah, and they say chivalry is dead.

[Corrian]

OHHHH, THAT CHILD'S QUESTION.

[Valrifell]

OHHHH, THAT CHILD'S QUESTION.

What was it for those of us not tuned in (yet)?

[Trumpostan]

Also Pence is in favour of forcing women who have had miscarriages to be sentenced to prison for manslaughter and is open to the idea of forcing said women to bury their miscarriage in a full funeral.

Also, the supposedly "peaceful" Trump supports ISIS-style torture and thinks the Geneva Convention is "obsolete".

There have been examples of major power leaders who also thought that things like the Geneva Convention shouldn't apply to certain people. It didn't end well for him (and unfortunately also not for the millions of dead he caused).

[Reploid Productions]

lazy sod.

This is not how to debate with other users on Nationstates. Leave the namecalling to the comments section of Youtube and news sites. We have rules about this sort of thing.

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~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[New West Guiana]

Also, the supposedly "peaceful" Trump supports ISIS-style torture and thinks the Geneva Convention is "obsolete".

There have been examples of major power leaders who also thought that things like the Geneva Convention shouldn't apply to certain people. It didn't end well for him (and unfortunately also not for the millions of dead he caused).

Couldn't imagine who you could be talking about I'm still waiting for the day when Trump quotes him.

[Lady Scylla]

OHHHH, THAT CHILD'S QUESTION.

What was it for those of us not tuned in (yet)?

https://www.demconvention.com/live/

[Corrian]

OHHHH, THAT CHILD'S QUESTION.

What was it for those of us not tuned in (yet)?

Well, it was in a video from a rally or some such.

"As President, will you make as much money as men doing the same job?"

[MERIZoC]

Because the political compass placements are so bad for the candidates, I made my own. I took the quiz estimating their views. It was hard, considering so much of it isn't really issues they talk about, but this is the best I could do.
(Image)
Good or no?

>Jill Stein as a hardcore socialist

rofl

[PaNTuXIa]

Here's a text based RP where you control either Clinton or Trump. The VP list is a bit outdated, but it's still a pretty fun game.
I managed to get an electoral college tie...
https://www.americanhistoryusa.com/camp ... ame/252569

I did terrible. I lost every swing state except NC.

[Smirkeria]

Personally, I'm kinda still deciding between Clinton and Trump.