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Who Do You Support in the 2016 Election?

Donald J. Trump (Republican)
282
29%
Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat)
331
34%
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
139
14%
Jill Stein (Green)
113
12%
Undecided
48
5%
Other
64
7%
 
Total votes : 977

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Lancaster of Wessex
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:07 pm

RouCaen wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
So you're for cozying up to an increasingly repressive Russian regime? Trump can claim anything he fucking wants to, and how do you think he's going to "end" ISIS?


Go look at trump's platform. He's already outlined his plan online, lazy sod.


So America should be isolationist yet go out and defeat ISIS? Contradiction much?
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Lady Scylla
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:07 pm

RouCaen wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
Y'know, Andrew Jackson tried that whole isolationist thing. Caused an economic depression, and we still ended up in a war.


It's better than the fake narrative that he's a warmonger.


An economic depression and a war that resulted in the burning down of the White House. Alrighty then.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:07 pm

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Maurepas
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:08 pm

RouCaen wrote:Go look at trump's platform. He's already outlined his plan online, lazy sod.

It's on Twitter, isn't it?

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RouCaen
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Postby RouCaen » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:09 pm

Vassenor wrote:
RouCaen wrote:
Fuck off. You can do both, especially since they are attacking or taking responsibility for attacks on US and allied soil.


So how do you do both?

Also I think you'll forgive me if I don't support the candidate who has made oppressing me and people like me a specific part of his platform.


He hasn't. Stop being daft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygIDdXEpPnk

He's said he'd protect you and your community from violence and tons of additional stuff. He obviously sees all american citizens as american citizens. Stop kidding yourself. He's promised more than any other american president in history would have done for the LGBTQ community.

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Postby New West Guiana » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:09 pm

RouCaen wrote:
Go look at trump's platform. He's already outlined his plan online, lazy sod.

Trump has a platform?
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:09 pm

Russia actually considers NSG significant enough to deploy operatives to now?
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:10 pm

Gauthier wrote:Russia actually considers NSG significant enough to deploy operatives to now?


It's a sign we've truly made it.
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New West Guiana
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Postby New West Guiana » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:10 pm

RouCaen wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how do you do both?

Also I think you'll forgive me if I don't support the candidate who has made oppressing me and people like me a specific part of his platform.


He hasn't. Stop being daft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygIDdXEpPnk

He's said he'd protect you and your community from violence and tons of additional stuff. He obviously sees all american citizens as american citizens. Stop kidding yourself. He's promised more than any other american president in history would have done for the LGBTQ community.

So explain why he chose Pence who doesn't hold back of how much he really hates the LGBTQ community.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:11 pm

RouCaen wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how do you do both?

Also I think you'll forgive me if I don't support the candidate who has made oppressing me and people like me a specific part of his platform.


He hasn't. Stop being daft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygIDdXEpPnk

He's said he'd protect you and your community from violence and tons of additional stuff. He obviously sees all american citizens as american citizens. Stop kidding yourself. He's promised more than any other american president in history would have done for the LGBTQ community.

He wants traditional marriage. Not really something pro LGBT. he also supports conversion therapy if I'm not mistaken
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:11 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Russia actually considers NSG significant enough to deploy operatives to now?


It's a sign we've truly made it.


We've become an island of common sense in a sea of filth and small-mindedness? :p

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RouCaen
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Postby RouCaen » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:11 pm

Maurepas wrote:
RouCaen wrote:Go look at trump's platform. He's already outlined his plan online, lazy sod.

It's on Twitter, isn't it?


Cheeky, but no.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

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New West Guiana
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Postby New West Guiana » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:11 pm

Gauthier wrote:Russia actually considers NSG significant enough to deploy operatives to now?

Poor bastards will be eaten alive.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:11 pm

RouCaen wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how do you do both?

Also I think you'll forgive me if I don't support the candidate who has made oppressing me and people like me a specific part of his platform.


He hasn't. Stop being daft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygIDdXEpPnk

He's said he'd protect you and your community from violence and tons of additional stuff. He obviously sees all american citizens as american citizens. Stop kidding yourself. He's promised more than any other american president in history would have done for the LGBTQ community.


Overturning the legalisation of same-sex marriage and pushing through a federal bathroom bill is protecting the LGBT community?
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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:11 pm

RouCaen wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how do you do both?

Also I think you'll forgive me if I don't support the candidate who has made oppressing me and people like me a specific part of his platform.


He hasn't. Stop being daft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygIDdXEpPnk

He's said he'd protect you and your community from violence and tons of additional stuff. He obviously sees all american citizens as american citizens. Stop kidding yourself. He's promised more than any other american president in history would have done for the LGBTQ community.


He blows smoke out of his ass far more than any other candidate I have ever seen in my limited time looking at elections.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:13 pm

RouCaen wrote:
Maurepas wrote:It's on Twitter, isn't it?


Cheeky, but no.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions


Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
RouCaen wrote:
Go look at trump's platform. He's already outlined his plan online, lazy sod.


I can say whatever the fuck I want on my personal website too.

Doesn't mean it's actually accurate. His mouth has undone everything that says on that website, and the entire platform is not worth the hosting they have paid for it.
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Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

"When it’s a choice of putting food on the table, or thinking about your morals, it’s easier to say you’d think about your morals, but only if you’ve never faced that decision." - Anastasia Richardson

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Postby Trumpostan » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:13 pm

RouCaen wrote:Trump wants good relations with Russia and has already partially succeeded in doing so without even being in elected office. Has openly stated he would enforce the countries borders strictly like any normal nation would. He wants to keep good relations with Britain. He has said he would reduce poverty, get business back into the country and damage control the national debt. All while reducing the tax rate and increasing minimum wage up to ten dollars.


The point here is, that Trump is lying about most of these things. He outsources the production of nearly all of his own products, so why would he try to bring other jobs back? He doesn't walk the walk. And his economic "plans" would add trillions to the debt and destroy millions of jobs. It's just more of that trickle down garbage the GOP has been peddling for 30 years now.

He's the most peaceful candidate that has been running. His opponent is the head of a snake of a party that is now consumed by conspiracy and backroom dealings. A leaked video of a senator or some such proved they lied to voters about their plans for gun laws. They have completely rigged their 'democratic' voting process to go to the biggest buyer, bought out Bernie. A good meaning fellow who is now a martyr for his followers without even being dead.

Honestly. The choice is easy.


The Donald wants to kill terrorists families, go after them everywhere they are, which will increase anti American resentment. Give nukes to Korea, Japan and Saudi Arabia and has no problem telling our allies in NATO to eff off so his buddy Putin can benefit.

And his choice of running mate confirms it. Pence backed the Iraq war agressively, backed free trade treaties and is a life long insider (which incidentally Trump also is). Trump is a snake oil salesman peddling whatever you want to hear.

But you are right, the choice IS easy. A sane Clinton, or conman and consummate liar Trump.
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Postby RouCaen » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:14 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
RouCaen wrote:
He hasn't. Stop being daft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygIDdXEpPnk

He's said he'd protect you and your community from violence and tons of additional stuff. He obviously sees all american citizens as american citizens. Stop kidding yourself. He's promised more than any other american president in history would have done for the LGBTQ community.

He wants traditional marriage. Not really something pro LGBT. he also supports conversion therapy if I'm not mistaken


He supports therapy for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder

Which is a serious illness. Separation between an illness and people just being trans for whatever personnel reason is key.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:14 pm

Gauthier wrote:Russia actually considers NSG significant enough to deploy operatives to now?


Maybe >.>
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Postby RouCaen » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:14 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:


Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I can say whatever the fuck I want on my personal website too.

Doesn't mean it's actually accurate. His mouth has undone everything that says on that website, and the entire platform is not worth the hosting they have paid for it.


Citation needed*

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PaNTuXIa
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:15 pm

RouCaen wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:He wants traditional marriage. Not really something pro LGBT. he also supports conversion therapy if I'm not mistaken


He supports therapy for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder

Which is a serious illness. Separation between an illness and people just being trans for whatever personnel reason is key.

He also claims that smoking does not kill. This is 2016. Not 1960.
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Postby New West Guiana » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:15 pm

Tammy Duckworth a real hero not who unlike Trump gave some to defend the US. Too bad the orange ape mocks the military and POWs.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:16 pm

RouCaen wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:


Citation needed*


How about all the news that have reported Trump?

Or are those simply "leftist propaganda" for you?
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"When it’s a choice of putting food on the table, or thinking about your morals, it’s easier to say you’d think about your morals, but only if you’ve never faced that decision." - Anastasia Richardson

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Trumpostan
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Postby Trumpostan » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:16 pm

RouCaen wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:He wants traditional marriage. Not really something pro LGBT. he also supports conversion therapy if I'm not mistaken


He supports therapy for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder

Which is a serious illness. Separation between an illness and people just being trans for whatever personnel reason is key.


The RNC platform supports conversion therapy, aka "cure teh gheys". Trump insisted only on ONE change in the platform: take out words in support of Ukraine's democracy. He was adament that be removed. He was perfectly fine with conversion therapy and with bible based legislation (which is also in the GOP platform, and the GOP plan to make America CHRISIS aka the christian ISIS.
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RouCaen
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Postby RouCaen » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:16 pm

Trumpostan wrote:
RouCaen wrote:Trump wants good relations with Russia and has already partially succeeded in doing so without even being in elected office. Has openly stated he would enforce the countries borders strictly like any normal nation would. He wants to keep good relations with Britain. He has said he would reduce poverty, get business back into the country and damage control the national debt. All while reducing the tax rate and increasing minimum wage up to ten dollars.


The point here is, that Trump is lying about most of these things. He outsources the production of nearly all of his own products, so why would he try to bring other jobs back? He doesn't walk the walk. And his economic "plans" would add trillions to the debt and destroy millions of jobs. It's just more of that trickle down garbage the GOP has been peddling for 30 years now.

He's the most peaceful candidate that has been running. His opponent is the head of a snake of a party that is now consumed by conspiracy and backroom dealings. A leaked video of a senator or some such proved they lied to voters about their plans for gun laws. They have completely rigged their 'democratic' voting process to go to the biggest buyer, bought out Bernie. A good meaning fellow who is now a martyr for his followers without even being dead.

Honestly. The choice is easy.


The Donald wants to kill terrorists families, go after them everywhere they are, which will increase anti American resentment. Give nukes to Korea, Japan and Saudi Arabia and has no problem telling our allies in NATO to eff off so his buddy Putin can benefit.

And his choice of running mate confirms it. Pence backed the Iraq war agressively, backed free trade treaties and is a life long insider (which incidentally Trump also is). Trump is a snake oil salesman peddling whatever you want to hear.

But you are right, the choice IS easy. A sane Clinton, or conman and consummate liar Trump.


Citation for the underlined needed.

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