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Bigots and Traditionalists Stab 7 Antifa Members in Protest

Postby Spiloebistan » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:07 am

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Neo-Nazis-Clash-with-Counter-Protesters-7-People-Stabbed-20160626-0023.html (this isn't about Venezuela so Telesur is ok)
Multiple people were reportedly stabbed in what the Sacramento Fire Department called a “mass casualty event” after counter-protesters crashed a rally in Sacramento organized by a far-right political group known as the Traditionalist Worker Party.

At least seven people were transported to area hospitals, some with critical trauma stab wounds, the fire department said. According to CBS, police officers witnessed a Klan member stab someone with a knife, while a counter protester was also found stabbed inside a vehicle, CBS reported.

The Traditionalist Worker Party has all the hallmarks of a fascist political group and was described as “white nationalist” and “extremist” by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups.

“TWP, formed in January of this year (2015) as the political wing of the Traditionalist Youth Network (TYN), an identitarian-inspired umbrella group that aims to indoctrinate high school and college students into white nationalism, ” a recent article on the Southern Poverty Law Center said.

In an online post, the Traditionalist Youth Network, which is closely tied to the group that organized the rally, seemed to be aware that they would be met with by counter-protests.

In that same post, the group said they were inspired to stage the protest “against globalization and in defense of the right to free expression” after witnessing numerous protests against Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee for the U.S. presidency.


Antifa's violent nature has really been exaggerated recently. I think this is a good touch of reality yes?
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Postby Corrian » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:11 am

It sounds like the Antifa's may have started being violent, but that doesn't call for literally stabbing people at all, which seems to be more on the side of the white nationalists than anything. But I don't think either side was exactly great in this matter.

However, this was a little too close for home in a way, because I have a ton of family in Sacramento, and my dad knows a guy who was at the protests when this happened.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:17 am

Corrian wrote:It sounds like the Antifa's may have started being violent, but that doesn't call for literally stabbing people at all, which seems to be more on the side of the white nationalists than anything. But I don't think either side was exactly great in this matter.

However, this was a little too close for home in a way, because I have a ton of family in Sacramento, and my dad knows a guy who was at the protests when this happened.

I have family there too- it's my hometown.
Holy shit. I hope the victims get better. Shame this protest got that violent.
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Postby Sack Jackpot Winners » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:21 am

Calling them "traditionalists" is clickbaity.

Additionally, it looks like Antifa had a hand in these affairs.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:25 am

Well this fricking sucks, hope none of them die and can recover. Also hope those responsible for this outburst of violence are all found and punished by the law.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:47 am

Anti-fa has been consistently resorting to violence for years, as have many counter-protest groups when it comes to things involving white nationalism, as a result of their ideological contortions and maxims that push them into believing the mere demonstration of racist groups IS a form of violence.
It is not surprising that they've started fighting back, as the police refuse to arrest and properly charge anti-fa, and the media will not report on it fairly. We've seen multiple previous incidents where members of these far-right groups end up beaten and bloodied, ones which were high profile for those paying close attention to far-right politics.

Don't be surprised if anti-fa turns out to have initiated the violence here too.

Nonetheless, I wish them a speedy recovery.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:49 am

I think they did, but that doesn't excuse stabbing people.
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Postby Mensirada Nysgceballada Ghebanea » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:50 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Anti-fa has been consistently resorting to violence for years, as have many counter-protest groups when it comes to things involving white nationalism, as a result of their ideological contortions and maxims that push them into believing the mere demonstration of racist groups IS a form of violence.
It is not surprising that they've started fighting back, as the police refuse to arrest and properly charge anti-fa, and the media will not report on it fairly. We've seen multiple previous incidents where members of these far-right groups end up beaten and bloodied.

Don't be surprised if anti-fa turns out to have initiated the violence here too.

Nonetheless, I wish them a speedy recovery.

never knew the cops were protecting antifascists from justice
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:50 am

Corrian wrote:I think they did, but that doesn't excuse stabbing people.


You are under no obligation to allow someone to put you at serious risk of maiming, brain damage, or dying.
Even throwing a punch is an act of reckless endangerment with the potential to kill, and can be justifiably seen as a lethal threat.

Yes.
It may well in fact excuse stabbing people. It's called self defense.

It would ofcourse depend on the exact nature of the incident. If they were stabbed while down, that's attempted murder. If they were stabbed while attacking, or while the knife wielder reasonably thought they were about to, it's justifiable.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:52 am

Mensirada Nysgceballada Ghebanea wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Anti-fa has been consistently resorting to violence for years, as have many counter-protest groups when it comes to things involving white nationalism, as a result of their ideological contortions and maxims that push them into believing the mere demonstration of racist groups IS a form of violence.
It is not surprising that they've started fighting back, as the police refuse to arrest and properly charge anti-fa, and the media will not report on it fairly. We've seen multiple previous incidents where members of these far-right groups end up beaten and bloodied.

Don't be surprised if anti-fa turns out to have initiated the violence here too.

Nonetheless, I wish them a speedy recovery.

never knew the cops were protecting antifascists from justice


They are usually taken into custody and then released.
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Postby Mensirada Nysgceballada Ghebanea » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:53 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Mensirada Nysgceballada Ghebanea wrote:never knew the cops were protecting antifascists from justice


They are usually taken into custody and then released.

that's pretty dang silly if they don't even charge the ones who beat people up
...thought this shit happened only in britain, but then again i live in a city in ohio where neonazis coming to town led to a riot a few years back
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Postby The Vektan Confederacy » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:53 am

Well I cant say im suprised to see another case of violence around Antifa. I think that someday, with this Sanders and Trump, rise of far right politics and such will all boil into a big boom...

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:55 am

Mensirada Nysgceballada Ghebanea wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
They are usually taken into custody and then released.

that's pretty dang silly if they don't even charge the ones who beat people up
...thought this shit happened only in britain, but then again i live in a city in ohio where neonazis coming to town led to a riot a few years back


They can't charge them because of all the institutions and media outlets that will throw a tantrum. It's similar to the mentality surrounding Rotherham and Cologne where they dont arrest muslim perpetrators until there's a huge backlash.

With the similar bias against Trump supporters and other incidents like this having been high profile, it is absolutely no surprise to me that the far right has begun to arm themselves and become willing to use lethal force to protect themselves. Without justice, no peace.

I expect we'll see escalation of violence to the point of far-right riots and potential secession attempts unless the authorities stop pandering to the radical progressive institutions in these ways.
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Postby Mensirada Nysgceballada Ghebanea » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:57 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Mensirada Nysgceballada Ghebanea wrote:that's pretty dang silly if they don't even charge the ones who beat people up
...thought this shit happened only in britain, but then again i live in a city in ohio where neonazis coming to town led to a riot a few years back


They can't charge them because of all the institutions and media outlets that will throw a tantrum. It's similar to the mentality surrounding Rotherham and Cologne where they dont arrest muslim perpetrators.

that's fucking stupid
that's just stupid
this isn't my ideological uncle being shoved in the closet, he's going out and shooting people and you won't stop him?
fuck well it's gonna be our sad fault if he ends up dead and you say he wasn't doin nuffin
edit: surely there's less harmful ways of pandering to progressives
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Postby Corrian » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:00 am

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Postby Tinfect » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:01 am

Goddammit I knew this would happen the moment I heard about the protest. Goddammit.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:02 am



That is a good article, you're right.

The first sign of violence came just before 11 a.m., when KCRA reporter Mike Luery and his cameraman were caught in an altercation with anti-fascist protesters shouting “no cameras” and demanding they leave.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/ ... rylink=cpy


Mmmhhmmm. But I'm sure it was the nazis who started it. Notice that this "No cameras" thing is a frequently occuring trope among radical progressive protests lately.

The anti-fas weren't just assaulting nazis.
They were assaulting neutral people who were there to document what was going on.

“We’re not causing the problem; your belligerent people are causing the problem,” Luery told the crowd before someone knocked his mike from his hand and others tried to grab the camera. The pair were eventually shoved out of the crowd and crossed the street away from the protesters.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/ ... rylink=cpy


But no, framing this as Those Evil Nationalists *shakes fist* makes much more sense.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:05 am

Read the article. It makes it pretty much the anti-nazi's were likely the ones that escalated things.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:06 am

Corrian wrote:Read the article. It makes it pretty much the anti-nazi's were likely the ones that escalated things.


Ya, I realized just now that you might interperate my post as directed to you, it was agreeing with your implicit point. My bad.
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Postby Herskerstad » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:07 am

While right wing nationalists are not above utilizing violence, the ironically far more fascist Antifa groups are certainly more prone too it nowadays.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:12 am

“The purpose of the protest was actually a reaction around the Donald Trump rallies where working-class white Americans were trying to peacefully organize, not on racial terms,” he said. “We wanted to have a march to show we will not back down in the face of radical leftists, who threatened violence beforehand.”

Parrott said his group was “prepared for a fight; they were prepared to defend themselves.”



Pretty much called it. Previous violence and high profile incidents of violence by radical leftists meant these people turned up to this event armed to defend themselves.

By the way, good going creating common cause between the american white working class and the nazis.

+ Levin said a similar outbreak of violence occurred at a Ku Klux Klan rally in Anaheim in February where three people where stabbed and he ended up sheltering two injured Klan members from angry counterprotesters.


So OP is being pretty disingenuous.
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Postby Radiatia » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:20 am

As the correct definition of the word 'bigot' is "a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions", the title of this thread really should be "Bigots stab other bigots."

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:23 am

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Folks, even ones you disagree with, have a right to protect themselves from violence.
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Postby Herskerstad » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:30 am

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Postby Frank Zipper » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:32 am

Radiatia wrote:As the correct definition of the word 'bigot' is "a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions", the title of this thread really should be "Bigots stab other bigots."


Or extremist bigots nobody cares about, and who frankly are just a pain the arse, fight amongst themselves.
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