UK Referendum Thread [Moderator Sanctioned]

[Vassenor]

Why does everyone seem to get so angry when we actually talk about holding Vote Leave to their campaign promises anyway?

Because it's no better than you trying to hold May to account for Corbyn's suggestions. It's either a lack of understanding of how things work in UK politics or your own anger/annoyance/ disappointment etc (delete as appropriate) the vote that you just ignore political reality anyway.

It's rather simple, vote leave is not the government, vote leave does not have a member as PM ultimately calling the shots, vote leave put an outline of what they thought should happen with a leave vote. It's just not how referendums work. Maybe it's because there are so few of them and unfamiliar with what they do that you are trying to treat it like a general election result when it's not one.

So you're admitting that everything everyone thought they were voting for was bollocks?

[Alvecia]

Why does everyone seem to get so angry when we actually talk about holding Vote Leave to their campaign promises anyway?

Because it's no better than you trying to hold May to account for Corbyn's suggestions. It's either a lack of understanding of how things work in UK politics or your own anger/annoyance/ disappointment etc (delete as appropriate) the vote that you just ignore political reality anyway.

It's rather simple, vote leave is not the government, vote leave does not have a member as PM ultimately calling the shots, vote leave put an outline of what they thought should happen with a leave vote. It's just not how referendums work. Maybe it's because there are so few of them and unfamiliar with what they do that you are trying to treat it like a general election result when it's not one.

I wonder how the result would have turned out if it was made clear that "These are not promises, only suggestions".

[The Nihilistic view]

Because it's no better than you trying to hold May to account for Corbyn's suggestions. It's either a lack of understanding of how things work in UK politics or your own anger/annoyance/ disappointment etc (delete as appropriate) the vote that you just ignore political reality anyway.

It's rather simple, vote leave is not the government, vote leave does not have a member as PM ultimately calling the shots, vote leave put an outline of what they thought should happen with a leave vote. It's just not how referendums work. Maybe it's because there are so few of them and unfamiliar with what they do that you are trying to treat it like a general election result when it's not one.

So you're admitting that everything everyone thought they were voting for was bollocks?

People were voting on one question, do you want to remain a member of the EU. It's a simple and clear binary choice. So not what was voted for was clear and not bollocks, being or not being in the EU.

[Vassenor]

So you're admitting that everything everyone thought they were voting for was bollocks?

People were voting on one question, do you want to remain a member of the EU. It's a simple and clear binary choice. So not what was voted for was clear and not bollocks, being or not being in the EU.

And all the advantages that were used to sell that decision to the electorate? Or are you saying that Vote Leave wasted a huge amount of taxpayers' money when they didn't need to bother saying anything?

[Imperializt Russia]

Why does everyone seem to get so angry when we actually talk about holding Vote Leave to their campaign promises anyway?

Because it's no better than you trying to hold May to account for Corbyn's suggestions. It's either a lack of understanding of how things work in UK politics or your own anger/annoyance/ disappointment etc (delete as appropriate) the vote that you just ignore political reality anyway.

It's rather simple, vote leave is not the government, vote leave does not have a member as PM ultimately calling the shots, vote leave put an outline of what they thought should happen with a leave vote. It's just not how referendums work. Maybe it's because there are so few of them and unfamiliar with what they do that you are trying to treat it like a general election result when it's not one.

Own it or disown it Nihil.

It was what Leave campaigned on. It was why some people voted Leave.
It was blatantly dishonest bollocks.

Leave? They never promised to leave the EU, it was just clever wordplay by the 350 million (or so) mutually incompatible Brexit campaigns.

They will be leaving for 10 years, and before it will leave totally and completely, EU will probably fall apart.

If EU can't easily solve every single, simple s*it, it will end right when some serious s*it will happen. Now we are just waiting for the true Coup de Grace, which no one will be able to solve.

But Germans will try to preserve at least half of it, since they are never content with their own living space.

Sure, if you ignore the reasons why German unification and expansion occurred and would instead rather pin it on some inherent "conquest gene" in all Germans, no doubt some remnant from the Mongol invasions.

[Imperializt Russia]

So you're admitting that everything everyone thought they were voting for was bollocks?

People were voting on one question, do you want to remain a member of the EU. It's a simple and clear binary choice. So not what was voted for was clear and not bollocks, being or not being in the EU.

So if it didn't matter, why the piss did they plaster a bus with it?

[UED]

How do you guys think the new PM (Theresa May) will do since Cameron has left office?

[Shamhnan Insir]

How do you guys think the new PM (Theresa May) will do since Cameron has left office?

I'm sure he will always be reachable by phone if she has questions on how to handle certain facets of being PM. Apart from that I wish her all the best, she has been handed a cart load of shit by the architects and supporters of Brexit, so will have to make do as best she can. I'm no Tory, but considering the other options at the moment she is our best hope to salvage something out of this and hopefully make a meaningful impact.

[Vassenor]

Bosses more cautious on jobs after Brexit, survey finds

[Vassenor]

PM should seek parliamentary approval over article 50, says Lords committee

House of Lords constitution committee says nature of EU referendum means parliament must play central role in Brexit process

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UK will not have access to the EU market if it ends free movement, says Irish Prime Minister

'Let me tell you that around the European Council table, that is an issue that will not be given in on,' says the Irish Taoiseach

Wasn't Davis adamant that all the European nations would be falling over each other to give us an access deal with no free movement strings attached?

[Greed and Death]

Because it's no better than you trying to hold May to account for Corbyn's suggestions. It's either a lack of understanding of how things work in UK politics or your own anger/annoyance/ disappointment etc (delete as appropriate) the vote that you just ignore political reality anyway.

It's rather simple, vote leave is not the government, vote leave does not have a member as PM ultimately calling the shots, vote leave put an outline of what they thought should happen with a leave vote. It's just not how referendums work. Maybe it's because there are so few of them and unfamiliar with what they do that you are trying to treat it like a general election result when it's not one.

So you're admitting that everything everyone thought they were voting for was bollocks?

English has voted bollocks you must eat your bollocks now.

[Greed and Death]

PM should seek parliamentary approval over article 50, says Lords committee

'Let me tell you that around the European Council table, that is an issue that will not be given in on,' says the Irish Taoiseach

Wasn't Davis adamant that all the European nations would be falling over each other to give us an access deal with no free movement strings attached?

England will prevail.

[Ifreann]

So when are the Brits actually going to leave the EU?

Sometime between 2017 and never.

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PM should seek parliamentary approval over article 50, says Lords committee

House of Lords constitution committee says nature of EU referendum means parliament must play central role in Brexit process

How dare these unelected bureaucrats presume to tell Great Britain what to do.

[Vassenor]

Apparently someone stole Davis' rose-tinted glasses.

David Davis admits possibility of UK exiting EU without trade deal

David Davis, the Brexit secretary, has admitted the UK could have to revert to World Trade Organisation tariffs if it leaves the EU without having struck a trade deal with the bloc.

The cabinet minister said this was not a very likely outcome but still a possibility if the UK was not successful in talks with the EU.

The Labour MP Chuka Umunna, chair of the campaign group Vote Leave Watch, said Davis had “let the cat out of the bag [about] a real possibility that we could fall out of the EU with no trade deal, and face swingeing and destructive tariffs on key exports.”

[Vassenor]

Independent: Farmers who backed Leave now regret vote over subsidy fears

Many British farmers are experiencing ‘Regrexit’ over fears they may lose agricultural subsidies, the Earl of Sandwich has told Parliament.

Speaking in a House of Lords debate, John Montagu said many farmers had voted “without understanding the consequences” and were now in dismay over news they may not receive the same level of payouts made under the EU's Common Agricultural Policy.

“In 2013, farmers received €2.6bn (about £2.2bn) under pillar 1 [an EU funding term] and €637m (£538m) for agri-environment and rural development under 'green' pillar 2," he said.

“How will [the Government] ensure that British farmers continue to receive these payments? We have already heard that they may not.

"There are fears that direct payments will be significantly less under the new Government because of the continuing need for austerity.”

[Vassenor]

Looks like Nigel is getting salty over the possibility the EU might play hardball with us.

Nigel Farage: EU Parliament 'declaring war' on Brexit talks

Nigel Farage has accused the European Parliament of "a declaration of war" on the UK's Brexit talks after naming Guy Verhofstadt as its chief negotiator.

The outgoing UKIP leader told MEPs the ex-Belgian prime minister was the "high priest" of federalism and should be replaced by someone "who likes the UK".

Mr Verhofstadt is one of three officials chosen by EU institutions.

He told MEPs earlier he didn't want to "punish" the UK but to build "sound relations" after the UK's departure.

Although the Belgian politician, who leads the Alliance of Liberal and Democrats grouping in the European Parliament, will not actually lead the EU's talks with the UK, the European Parliament has said he will have a "central role" in discussions expected to last at least two years.

The European Parliament's approval is required before any settlement is agreed with the UK.

[Imperializt Russia]

Independent: Farmers who backed Leave now regret vote over subsidy fears

Many British farmers are experiencing ‘Regrexit’ over fears they may lose agricultural subsidies, the Earl of Sandwich has told Parliament.

Speaking in a House of Lords debate, John Montagu said many farmers had voted “without understanding the consequences” and were now in dismay over news they may not receive the same level of payouts made under the EU's Common Agricultural Policy.

“In 2013, farmers received €2.6bn (about £2.2bn) under pillar 1 [an EU funding term] and €637m (£538m) for agri-environment and rural development under 'green' pillar 2," he said.

“How will [the Government] ensure that British farmers continue to receive these payments? We have already heard that they may not.

"There are fears that direct payments will be significantly less under the new Government because of the continuing need for austerity.”

Why does austerity still exist.

The crash was eight fucking years ago.

Oh wait, wait.
Ideology.

[The Nihilistic view]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37359196

EU military HQ.......hum I guess they were hiding it until after the referendum.

[Ifreann]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37359196

EU military HQ.......hum I guess they were hiding it until after the referendum.

Hiding the fact that they don't have one? Or hiding the fact that they think it would be useful?

[Alvecia]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37359196

EU military HQ.......hum I guess they were hiding it until after the referendum.

Seems more like a "Now the biggest objector is irrelevant, maybe we should give this a go".

[Great Nepal]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37359196

EU military HQ.......hum I guess they were hiding it until after the referendum.

So EU'll have command base if there'are operations which are not done by NATO but merely by EU, or if EU expands to countries not included in NATO while paving the way for closer European integration. Your problem with this being?

[Dooom35796821595]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37359196

EU military HQ.......hum I guess they were hiding it until after the referendum.

Seems more like a "Now the biggest objector is irrelevant, maybe we should give this a go".

Yeah, now one of two serious defense players are gone, let's have a European command structure for all the lack of ability to do anything without French support.

[Vassenor]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37359196

EU military HQ.......hum I guess they were hiding it until after the referendum.

So EU'll have command base if there'are operations which are not done by NATO but merely by EU, or if EU expands to countries not included in NATO while paving the way for closer European integration. Your problem with this being?

The idea of an EU army (which we already an explicit opt-out from) was one of the big bugbears of the referendum.

[Tananat]

So EU'll have command base if there'are operations which are not done by NATO but merely by EU, or if EU expands to countries not included in NATO while paving the way for closer European integration. Your problem with this being?

The idea of an EU army (which we already an explicit opt-out from) was one of the big bugbears of the referendum.

Which is odd, because the EU has done military operations for over a decade...

[Dooom35796821595]

The idea of an EU army (which we already an explicit opt-out from) was one of the big bugbears of the referendum.

Which is odd, because the EU has done military operations for over a decade...

No, there has been some level of cooperation between EU states at a largely symbolic level. What they want is an EU command that gets orders from Brussels. Something which the UK and NATO wil likley object to.