Indonesia demands security for ships in Philippines

[Stadenwick]

The Philippines military is plagued by chronic underfunding and corruption in the procurement system. Filipino military personnel are brave and decently trained for the most part, though training could be better. But their equipment is pathetic.

Can you really blame us? We don't even have a tank and use BTR's instead really i checked our wikipedia page on our military.

Though it may be useful seeing this is a small island that can easily be surrounded

Are you kidding? Why would you have a tank for? Indonesia order one from Germany and I swear that the dumbest thing ever because y'know, Island country.

[Vulkata II]

Can you really blame us? We don't even have a tank and use BTR's instead really i checked our wikipedia page on our military.

Though it may be useful seeing this is a small island that can easily be surrounded

Are you kidding? Why would you have a tank for? Indonesia order one from Germany and I swear that the dumbest thing ever because y'know, Island country.

Yeah that's what my dad said.

He said "Why do we need a tank? All our enemies are hiding in the mountains" and the BTR seems to be effective?

Still i think attacking the island of Abu Sayyaf would be easier after retaking the Indonesian hostages so if any of them threatened to kill them they wouldn't have anything to hold the three armies back and get shot

[East Catalina]

Is the Phillippine military liable to behave as its' most recent overlord does?
If so, then good luck.

You need some better maritime patrol craft fot this type of operation. Maybe you could get a decent deal on some used P-3s. You also need some modern radars. To start the Phillipines needs to be able to properly monitor its waters. Right now it has limited ability to do so.

Along with Boracay's competition.

We've got enemies surrounding us and we don't even have a single tank

...what you need is ICBMs.

[Vulkata II]

Is the Phillippine military liable to behave as its' most recent overlord does?
If so, then good luck.

Along with Boracay's competition.

We've got enemies surrounding us and we don't even have a single tank

...what you need is ICBMs.

China got lots.

Plus if we buy even one it could damage the economy and if we launch one the UN would condemn us etc etc legal legal I'm just 14 and i study this already

[Saradena]

Huey's,BTR and Vietnam war gear

You need some better maritime patrol craft fot this type of operation. Maybe you could get a decent deal on some used P-3s. You also need some modern radars. To start the Phillipines needs to be able to properly monitor its waters. Right now it has limited ability to do so.

To be fair, we are acquiring a lot of naval assets. Japan is even planning to supply us with equipment. Not to mention we recently got a new LPD from Indonesia and is also going to transfer their technology to us so we could build similar ships, the AW-159 Wildcat has been selected as a new ASW Helicopter, and not to mention there's been rumors that we would acquire a newer warship (I think it was a corvette or a frigate) from South Korea.

Edit: It's an Incheon-class frigate.

[Novus America]

You need some better maritime patrol craft fot this type of operation. Maybe you could get a decent deal on some used P-3s. You also need some modern radars. To start the Phillipines needs to be able to properly monitor its waters. Right now it has limited ability to do so.

Along with Boracay's competition.

We've got enemies surrounding us and we don't even have a single tank

Well tanks would be of somewhat limited use considering the geography of the Phillipines.

I think I would focus more on air and sea defenses. Good thing about P-3 Orion's is they can hunt pirates, but also kill submarines and launch anti ship missiles. The Phillipines has no modern air defenses, some modern long range anti air missiles are definitely needed. Also some real multi role combat aircraft like Super Hornets.

And some modern warships, maybe even submarines. The Phillipines is literally using a US Frigate from WWII.

While a good army is needed, the Phillipines is an Island nation so I think it is best to keep the enemy from reaching land in the first place.

[Saradena]

You need some better maritime patrol craft fot this type of operation. Maybe you could get a decent deal on some used P-3s. You also need some modern radars. To start the Phillipines needs to be able to properly monitor its waters. Right now it has limited ability to do so.

Along with Boracay's competition.

We've got enemies surrounding us and we don't even have a single tank

Yeah, we don't need tanks judging from the terrain of the Philippines.
But wheeled armored vehicles, yes.

And some modern warships, maybe even submarines. The Phillipines is literally using a US Frigate from WWII.

Frigates and minesweepers, yes.

[Seraven]

I do not blame you, but I do blame your government. The Philippines can buy whatever it needs. The military needs funding, and a procurement system that does not steal.

It's still a developing country more or less, Corruption stopped the victims of Hurricane Haiyan from getting money from what i read from our daily newspaper.

In a unrelated note:What is Argentina's exports?

What Philippines need if they can't buy better military equipment from foreign countries is to build a strong defense industry.

[Novus America]

It's still a developing country more or less, Corruption stopped the victims of Hurricane Haiyan from getting money from what i read from our daily newspaper.

In a unrelated note:What is Argentina's exports?

What Philippines need if they can't buy better military equipment from foreign countries is to build a strong defense industry.

Buying foreign equipment is easy. The US and others will sell it gladly. Building a defense industry much harder and more expensive. The Phillipines currently only makes small arms. And the Phillipines tiny military budget is not sufficient to maintain a serious military industry.

[Seraven]

What Philippines need if they can't buy better military equipment from foreign countries is to build a strong defense industry.

Buying foreign equipment is easy. The US and others will sell it gladly. Building a defense industry much harder and more expensive. The Phillipines currently only makes small arms. And the Phillipines tiny military budget is not sufficient to maintain a serious military industry.

But it's expensive too. Making a joint program with other country is also another way for military improvement.

[Tsaraine]

I'm not familiar with the situation in Indonesia and the Philippines, but I feel like "patrol your waters against pirates and your roads against bandits" is a perfectly reasonable expectation; it's one of the cornerstones of a modern state.

[Vulkata II]

I'm not familiar with the situation in Indonesia and the Philippines, but I feel like "patrol your waters against pirates and your roads against bandits" is a perfectly reasonable expectation; it's one of the cornerstones of a modern state.

TO be fair i heard all of this last night while my grandma was watching the news and i was playing the computer.

Though according to the news channel's website(cause i copied and pasted this)this isn't the only time our terrorist kidnap some Indonesian hostages though all of them have been released in the past

[Pope Joan]

Indonesia has the largest navy in SE Asia.

Couldn't they flex some muscle in international waters?

[Rio Cana]

Are you kidding? Why would you have a tank for? Indonesia order one from Germany and I swear that the dumbest thing ever because y'know, Island country.

Yeah that's what my dad said.

He said "Why do we need a tank? All our enemies are hiding in the mountains" and the BTR seems to be effective?

Still i think attacking the island of Abu Sayyaf would be easier after retaking the Indonesian hostages so if any of them threatened to kill them they wouldn't have anything to hold the three armies back and get shot

That is why you need Mountain Tanks. Currently the best Mountain tank which even works well in high altitude is the Chinese ZTQ tank - https://warisboring.com/chinas-got-a-ne ... .7w0hp0p0q

[Saradena]

Yeah that's what my dad said.

He said "Why do we need a tank? All our enemies are hiding in the mountains" and the BTR seems to be effective?

Still i think attacking the island of Abu Sayyaf would be easier after retaking the Indonesian hostages so if any of them threatened to kill them they wouldn't have anything to hold the three armies back and get shot

That is why you need Mountain Tanks. Currently the best Mountain tank which even works well in high altitude is the Chinese ZTQ tank - https://warisboring.com/chinas-got-a-ne ... .7w0hp0p0q

Hmmm..maybe something like this...or the M8 AGS could be good for Philippine conditions

[Kubra]

This, is why I have always clamored for the return of Martial Law. The heaviness of crime committed by subversive insurgents is...very alarming.

it was during Marcos's time too bruv

[Rio Cana]

That is why you need Mountain Tanks. Currently the best Mountain tank which even works well in high altitude is the Chinese ZTQ tank - https://warisboring.com/chinas-got-a-ne ... .7w0hp0p0q

Hmmm..maybe something like this...or the M8 AGS could be good for Philippine conditions

The M8 AGS was never put into full production. It was cancelled.

[Vulkata II]

Got an update.

Indonesia said to ban all ships near the Phil more or less

[Saradena]

Hmmm..maybe something like this...or the M8 AGS could be good for Philippine conditions

The M8 AGS was never put into full production. It was cancelled.

What if we could probably make an indigenous vehicle based off it.
Yes, it's a pipe dream but hey

[Novus America]

Hmmm..maybe something like this...or the M8 AGS could be good for Philippine conditions

The M8 AGS was never put into full production. It was cancelled.

Well true, it was never put into production, but it very well might be. The US army is looking at buying it, and an updated version has been created. It would be put into production if someone is willing to pay for it.

[Stadenwick]

Got an update.

Indonesia said to ban all ships near the Phil more or less

Well it's definitely better than getting them captured and their crew taken hostage. But how they gonna enforce this, I have no idea.

[Arachno-Satinism]

Indonesia has the largest navy in SE Asia.

Couldn't they flex some muscle in international waters?

*Philippine waters, so I assume no.

[Novus America]

You need some better maritime patrol craft fot this type of operation. Maybe you could get a decent deal on some used P-3s. You also need some modern radars. To start the Phillipines needs to be able to properly monitor its waters. Right now it has limited ability to do so.

To be fair, we are acquiring a lot of naval assets. Japan is even planning to supply us with equipment. Not to mention we recently got a new LPD from Indonesia and is also going to transfer their technology to us so we could build similar ships, the AW-159 Wildcat has been selected as a new ASW Helicopter, and not to mention there's been rumors that we would acquire a newer warship (I think it was a corvette or a frigate) from South Korea.

Edit: It's an Incheon-class frigate.

True, the military of the Phillipines is improving after decades of neglect. But it still has a long ways to go. It really needs a lot more funding. Maintaining that new equipment is not cheap. Nigeria bought some brand new ships, then failed to maintain them and they broke down.

The Phillipines only spends 1% of GDP on defense. 2% would be more reasonable.

[Seraven]

To be fair, we are acquiring a lot of naval assets. Japan is even planning to supply us with equipment. Not to mention we recently got a new LPD from Indonesia and is also going to transfer their technology to us so we could build similar ships, the AW-159 Wildcat has been selected as a new ASW Helicopter, and not to mention there's been rumors that we would acquire a newer warship (I think it was a corvette or a frigate) from South Korea.

Edit: It's an Incheon-class frigate.

True, the military of the Phillipines is improving after decades of neglect. But it still has a long ways to go. It really needs a lot more funding. Maintaining that new equipment is not cheap. Nigeria bought some brand new ships, then failed to maintain them and they broke down.

The Phillipines only spends 1% of GDP on defense. 2% would be more reasonable.

Or 3%, like Indonesia.

[Stadenwick]

True, the military of the Phillipines is improving after decades of neglect. But it still has a long ways to go. It really needs a lot more funding. Maintaining that new equipment is not cheap. Nigeria bought some brand new ships, then failed to maintain them and they broke down.

The Phillipines only spends 1% of GDP on defense. 2% would be more reasonable.

Or 3%, like Indonesia.

3% and most of em look like they go army rather than navy.
You know you're special kind of unique if you buy a for tank super muddy terrain island country