Reactionary Outbursts And Bigotry

[The New Sea Territory]

It's not that its wrong, so much as their perspective cannot be the same as a white female, black male, etc.

You shouldn't dismiss someone's perspective simply because theirs is different.

It shouldn't be dismissed. Perspective should be understood.

[Luminesa]

You shouldn't dismiss someone's perspective simply because theirs is different.

It shouldn't be dismissed. Perspective should be understood.

And even if you can't understand it, you can appreciate it for what it is. All of our opinions are what make our world like a big, dusky diamond-full of many facets, edges, and curves that all make it interesting.

[Utilitarian Garibaldi]

This is just a "reaction". The new left is pressing forth with identity politics, blanket blaming white people for everything and unironically using racist slurs to discredit anybody of a different color that disagrees with that. Once the current crop of college SJWs get a job and a family, this will die down. Its an instinctive kneejerk reaction. Circling the wagons and bunkering down. You can hardly blame them either.

I've tried warning people of this happening. Eventually white people will discover the power identity politics and we will unleash a genie that can't be put back into the bottle. Alternatively, this is just a phase and these current crop of activists will mature. I sincerely hope that the latter happens.

It's also that attacks on western culture and civilization and bolstering of Islamism.

Bolstering of Islamism? Sounds a little too hokey.

[Ostroeuropa]

The whites in south africa are on genocide watch,

You've now stooped to the borderline neo-Nazi "white genocide" narrative.



Would you agree "Anti-Racist is a code word for Anti-White?" Have you memorized the 14 words yet?

The way that many progressives advocate for it, yes, it has become an anti-white agenda. But that doesn't mean the two are equivalent, only that anti-racism is sometimes used to provide rhetorical cover for anti-white policies, sentiments, etc.

It's not stooping if you point out the facts. Do you deny whites are becoming a minority due to mass migration policies?

[The East Marches]

This is not enough for such a broad claim.

You are right. Its the Hillary Clintons of the country leading the charge for social justice.

Oh, I see. Go-to exaggerated stories about some leftists in certain places using certain terminology that you find to soft.

These aren't "radical". Whatever microaggressions were before right-wingers found out is now buried between the talking point of them; they mean little to nothing when you throw them at your opponents who have never even seen other leftists talk about them. Trigger warnings have existed for decades...plenty of documentaries have them, they just don't use that specific term reactionaries love to focus on. As for the arguments about cultural appropriation, there's a legitimate conversation to be had. Again, people exaggerate this to demonize the ever-fluid, broad term "SJW".

These are not exaggerated stories. They are good articles from respectable magazines/newspapers. If these are not enough for you. I can find more.

Keep telling yourself that.

Which is why Unions keep money on hand to cover their workers life expenses when they strike right? You need money to be an activist or protest things. Professional activists have income and revenue streams outside of their political work. Whether it be an analyst or commentator for a show or a writing career.

They change nothing de jure, but they are certainly platforms millions use. They are good for spreading ideas.

Like Kony 2012; "Please like if you want to end child soldiers". It is a self-gratification at its finest. No need for any real work. Just click the button to feel moral.

Now, SJWs are anti-union? I wasn't made aware.

Then again, I was never made aware of any of this, because SJWs, the movement I'm apparently apart of, doesn't identify with the term...because its a bullshit, vague slur, like "pinko", "cultural Marxist" or "communist".

Yes they are quite anti-Union. Unions are for "white males" only. God forbid they endorse something Keystone XL. Thats just their privilege talking. Same with opposing free trade or open borders because they will damage labor markets and undercut worker's pay. Thats just "racism" talking.

I assume you'd equate it to college culture, saying this (mythical) subculture will destroy the left? If so, you're making more assumptions about college students.

To summarize, hippie nonviolence hindered the movement, and its influence on the Vietnam War is exaggerated. The War ended because the US militarily lost and because of the threat of mutiny rampant in the military.

I was referring to that regarding hippies. We can continue this convesation via TG if you'd like.

The subculture is quite real and pretending that it doesn't exist will not make it go away.

It's not that its wrong, so much as their perspective cannot be the same as a white female, black male, etc.

But I don't think this criticism holds up. Nearly all beef with the SJW movement is its Marxism...which is fundamentally a mode of historical analysis.

The SJWs are not Marxists. True Marxists wouldn't tolerate artificial divisions in the working class.

Besides that, numbers and facts have no correlation to whether one is black or white. I was referring to my referencing of economics books. I should have made myself more clear. They informed me not about the perspective part, which I could see, but that their entire premise of the book or argument was invalid due to skin color.

If someone said, "my contempt for the black man is borne solely of experience", would that be equally valid?

"my contempt for the white man is borne solely of experience" seems to be valid in today's world. I don't see why my experiences shouldn't be either.

[Utilitarian Garibaldi]

This is just a "reaction". The new left is pressing forth with identity politics, blanket blaming white people for everything and unironically using racist slurs to discredit anybody of a different color that disagrees with that. Once the current crop of college SJWs get a job and a family, this will die down. Its an instinctive kneejerk reaction. Circling the wagons and bunkering down. You can hardly blame them either.

I've tried warning people of this happening. Eventually white people will discover the power identity politics and we will unleash a genie that can't be put back into the bottle. Alternatively, this is just a phase and these current crop of activists will mature. I sincerely hope that the latter happens.

But these actual SJWs seem to be very scarce. I have never in my life met someone who fits the criteria after much experience interacting with anthropology and leftist circles.

And this is all in real life mind you.

[The New Sea Territory]

This is just a "reaction". The new left is pressing forth with identity politics, blanket blaming white people for everything and unironically using racist slurs to discredit anybody of a different color that disagrees with that. Once the current crop of college SJWs get a job and a family, this will die down. Its an instinctive kneejerk reaction. Circling the wagons and bunkering down. You can hardly blame them either.

I've tried warning people of this happening. Eventually white people will discover the power identity politics and we will unleash a genie that can't be put back into the bottle. Alternatively, this is just a phase and these current crop of activists will mature. I sincerely hope that the latter happens.

But these actual SJWs seem to be very scarce. I have never in my life met someone who fits the criteria after much experience interacting with anthropology and leftist circles.

And this is all in real life mind you.

But that's the point. SJW is the boogieman of a narrative, not an actually existing phenomenon.

[Utilitarian Garibaldi]

But these actual SJWs seem to be very scarce. I have never in my life met someone who fits the criteria after much experience interacting with anthropology and leftist circles.

And this is all in real life mind you.

But that's the point. SJW is the boogieman of a narrative, not an actually existing phenomenon.

I concur, mostly. There are some nutty people on the left, but not anything like what you see on Breotbart or whatever.

[The East Marches]

This is just a "reaction". The new left is pressing forth with identity politics, blanket blaming white people for everything and unironically using racist slurs to discredit anybody of a different color that disagrees with that. Once the current crop of college SJWs get a job and a family, this will die down. Its an instinctive kneejerk reaction. Circling the wagons and bunkering down. You can hardly blame them either.

I've tried warning people of this happening. Eventually white people will discover the power identity politics and we will unleash a genie that can't be put back into the bottle. Alternatively, this is just a phase and these current crop of activists will mature. I sincerely hope that the latter happens.

But these actual SJWs seem to be very scarce. I have never in my life met someone who fits the criteria after much experience interacting with anthropology and leftist circles.

And this is all in real life mind you.

Perhaps you and I know different crowds. I was at University of Wisconsin Madison. Where were you?

[Utilitarian Garibaldi]

But these actual SJWs seem to be very scarce. I have never in my life met someone who fits the criteria after much experience interacting with anthropology and leftist circles.

And this is all in real life mind you.

Perhaps you and I know different crowds. I was at University of Wisconsin Madison. Where were you?

Temple University.

[Arcturus Novus]

You've now stooped to the borderline neo-Nazi "white genocide" narrative.



Would you agree "Anti-Racist is a code word for Anti-White?" Have you memorized the 14 words yet?

The way that many progressives advocate for it, yes, it has become an anti-white agenda. But that doesn't mean the two are equivalent, only that anti-racism is sometimes used to provide rhetorical cover for anti-white policies, sentiments, etc.

It's not stooping if you point out the facts. Do you deny whites are becoming a minority due to mass migration policies?

White people are still the plurality-- if not the majority-- in basically every European country. And even then, it's not like all of us are just gonna up and disappear or end up murdered by "them dirty minorities".

[Ostroeuropa]

But these actual SJWs seem to be very scarce. I have never in my life met someone who fits the criteria after much experience interacting with anthropology and leftist circles.

And this is all in real life mind you.

But that's the point. SJW is the boogieman of a narrative, not an actually existing phenomenon.

In the UK, when it was suggested that the parliament take international mens day to talk about mens issues, Jess Phillips, labour MP, laughed, and said they shouldn't do it until half the parliament was women. She was supported by her party. It is not merely a case of them being boogeymen. This is the political and journalistic class.
Or how about when a Labour MP tweeted out in smug condescension about how some rubes were flying the English flag. In England. Or Councils removing the English flag from festivals in case it offends muslims, oh but the ISIS flag is fine.

It isn't just a boogieman. They have actual effects on people. How about this incident, where an anti-white racist hijacked a prayer vigil for the victims of the Orlando shooting to push her anti-white agenda, and when two white gay men object, the campus security freaks and removes them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction ... ut_her_at/

There's thousands of examples at this point. If you still refuse to accept the left wing has a problem, you're in denial.

[The East Marches]

Perhaps you and I know different crowds. I was at University of Wisconsin Madison. Where were you?

Temple University.

I have heard of that school in relation to its business department. I've heard its pretty nice.

[The New Sea Territory]

The way that many progressives advocate for it, yes, it has become an anti-white agenda. But that doesn't mean the two are equivalent, only that anti-racism is sometimes used to provide rhetorical cover for anti-white policies, sentiments, etc.

Congrats. You'll fit in well on Stormfront.

It's not stooping if you point out the facts. Do you deny whites are becoming a minority due to mass migration policies?

What "facts"? The standard misinterpretation of demographics? They are only a "minority" if you treat all non-whites as one collective group, which says more about you than it does about demographic trends.

Who gives a fuck, even if whites are a "minority"?

[Ostroeuropa]

The way that many progressives advocate for it, yes, it has become an anti-white agenda. But that doesn't mean the two are equivalent, only that anti-racism is sometimes used to provide rhetorical cover for anti-white policies, sentiments, etc.

It's not stooping if you point out the facts. Do you deny whites are becoming a minority due to mass migration policies?

White people are still the plurality-- if not the majority-- in basically every European country. And even then, it's not like all of us are just gonna up and disappear or end up murdered by "them dirty minorities".

Who are you quoting there? Not me, certainly. If you feel that way about them you should just come out and say so. I've never thought those were the logical conclusions of my beliefs, but apparently you do.

Genocide is just the worst outcome. Discrimination is more likely, and is already occurring at some level. In the UK for instance, young white males are the most hated demographic.

[Ostroeuropa]

The way that many progressives advocate for it, yes, it has become an anti-white agenda. But that doesn't mean the two are equivalent, only that anti-racism is sometimes used to provide rhetorical cover for anti-white policies, sentiments, etc.

Congrats. You'll fit in well on Stormfront.

It's not stooping if you point out the facts. Do you deny whites are becoming a minority due to mass migration policies?

What "facts"? The standard misinterpretation of demographics? They are only a "minority" if you treat all non-whites as one collective group, which says more about you than it does about demographic trends.

Who gives a fuck, even if whites are a "minority"?

Hitler ate sugar, you know. I've got examples if you like, such as the prayer vigil above. But no, I guess talking about that makes me a nazi. Or is that just you socially ostracizing and demonizing people for talking about racism against their demographic and how it tends to operate?

If you unite everyone around the basis of arguing against white people then they are one collective group. PoC.

[The New Sea Territory]

But that's the point. SJW is the boogieman of a narrative, not an actually existing phenomenon.

In the UK, when it was suggested that the parliament take international mens day to talk about mens issues, Jess Phillips, labour MP, laughed, and said they shouldn't do it until half the parliament was women. She was supported by her party. It is not merely a case of them being boogeymen. This is the political and journalistic class.

...nowhere do you address Phillips was saying, or how its so evil.

Or how about when a Labour MP tweeted out in smug condescension about how some rubes were flying the English flag. In England. Or Councils removing the English flag from festivals in case it offends muslims, oh but the ISIS flag is fine.

You conveniently lack evidence for this claim.

It isn't just a boogieman. They have actual effects on people. How about this incident, where an anti-white racist hijacked a prayer vigil for the victims of the Orlando shooting to push her anti-white agenda, and when two white gay men object, the campus security freaks and removes them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction ... ut_her_at/

BLM =/= "anti-white racist", try again.

There's thousands of examples at this point. If you still refuse to accept the left wing has a problem, you're in denial.

The left-wing only has a problem with not properly addressing people like you who repeat and agree with white nationalist mantras and narratives, like white "genocide".

[Ostroeuropa]

In the UK, when it was suggested that the parliament take international mens day to talk about mens issues, Jess Phillips, labour MP, laughed, and said they shouldn't do it until half the parliament was women. She was supported by her party. It is not merely a case of them being boogeymen. This is the political and journalistic class.

...nowhere do you address Phillips was saying, or how its so evil.

Or how about when a Labour MP tweeted out in smug condescension about how some rubes were flying the English flag. In England. Or Councils removing the English flag from festivals in case it offends muslims, oh but the ISIS flag is fine.

You conveniently lack evidence for this claim.

It isn't just a boogieman. They have actual effects on people. How about this incident, where an anti-white racist hijacked a prayer vigil for the victims of the Orlando shooting to push her anti-white agenda, and when two white gay men object, the campus security freaks and removes them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction ... ut_her_at/

BLM =/= "anti-white racist", try again.

There's thousands of examples at this point. If you still refuse to accept the left wing has a problem, you're in denial.

The left-wing only has a problem with not properly addressing people like you who repeat and agree with white nationalist mantras and narratives, like white "genocide".

So do you agree with what phillips said? Yes it's wrong and discriminatory to try and deny a group representation of their issues based on their demographic and using social justice ideology to make them the outgroup.

Happy to provide evidence:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... ge-s-flags

I just provided you evidence of BLM being anti-white racists, and there's plenty of other incidents to back that up too. But if you're jsut going to axiomatically claim its not the case with no argument, then there's no point in talking to you.

I just showed you that's not the case.

[The New Sea Territory]

Congrats. You'll fit in well on Stormfront.



What "facts"? The standard misinterpretation of demographics? They are only a "minority" if you treat all non-whites as one collective group, which says more about you than it does about demographic trends.

Who gives a fuck, even if whites are a "minority"?

Hitler ate sugar, you know.

There's a difference between sugar and "the Mantra" by Bob Whitaker.

Bullshit white genocide conspiracy theories you push make me question your political affiliation.

I've got examples if you like, such as the prayer vigil above.

Already addressed.

But no, I guess talking about that makes me a nazi.

No.

Talking about "whites becoming a minority", agreeing with Bob Whitaker, ranting on about "SJWs", calling BLM "anti-white racists", feigning concern for LGBT people when its convenient to do so (it fits your culture-clash, bash Islam narrative), repeatedly making threads about the "horrors" of "SJWs", and talking about white genocide show that you have a lot in common with modern white nationalists.

Or is that just you socially ostracizing and demonizing people for talking about racism against their demographic and how it tends to operate?

There's no fucking racism, that's why. It's in your head. You've convinced yourself that white men are somehow the oppressed in society.

If you unite everyone around the basis of arguing against white people then they are one collective group. PoC.

Again, the way you assume these things about minority communities says a lot about you. They aren't some hivemind.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Being a white heteronormative cismale has become the equivalent of original sin in popular ethos NST.

How can you really deny it?

[Ostroeuropa]

Hitler ate sugar, you know.

There's a difference between sugar and "the Mantra" by Bob Whitaker.

Bullshit white genocide conspiracy theories you push make me question your political affiliation.

I've got examples if you like, such as the prayer vigil above.

Already addressed.

But no, I guess talking about that makes me a nazi.

No.

Talking about "whites becoming a minority", agreeing with Bob Whitaker, ranting on about "SJWs", calling BLM "anti-white racists", feigning concern for LGBT people when its convenient to do so (it fits your culture-clash, bash Islam narrative), repeatedly making threads about the "horrors" of "SJWs", and talking about white genocide show that you have a lot in common with modern white nationalists.

Or is that just you socially ostracizing and demonizing people for talking about racism against their demographic and how it tends to operate?

There's no fucking racism, that's why. It's in your head. You've convinced yourself that white men are somehow the oppressed in society.

If you unite everyone around the basis of arguing against white people then they are one collective group. PoC.

Again, the way you assume these things about minority communities says a lot about you. They aren't some hivemind.

South african and Zimbabwe genocide isn't a conspiracy theory.

No you didn't address it, you dismissed it out of hand. Big difference. You just up and decided to ignore a blatant example of racism because your ideology told you to.

BLM are anti-white racists, and i've provided evidence for that claim. I can provide more if you like. Lol, I feign concern for LGBT people? You clearly know nothing about me. I've argued plenty of times for LGBT rights, regardless of who was oppressing them. I'm bisexual myself.

There is racism, and i've shown you as much. You've convinced yourself racism and sexism against whites and men cannot exist.

I don't deny that some ethnic minorities agree with my position on this. I know of at least one in this thread, who has repeatedly pointed out that the modern SocJus movement is anti-white.

Being a white heteronormative cismale has become the equivalent of original sin in popular ethos NST.

How can you really deny it?

Pretty much. The characterization of any white complaining about racism against their demographic as themselves racist has led to the far-right surge.

[Noraika]

But these actual SJWs seem to be very scarce. I have never in my life met someone who fits the criteria after much experience interacting with anthropology and leftist circles.

And this is all in real life mind you.

But that's the point. SJW is the boogieman of a narrative, not an actually existing phenomenon.

I'm still waiting for an objective or authoritative definition of what even a "Social Justice Warrior" is. Let alone see any evidence proving their widespread existence.

The way I look at it is that it's kind of like Loch Ness' Nessy. We have a few photos and stories, and some things which you can point to as 'proof', but it isn't really authoritative, and often more subject to an individuals pre-disposition than actual objective reality. I've also yet to meet an SJW, without regard of the fact that even if I was to look I wouldn't have a qualifying definition.

[Utilitarian Garibaldi]

What goes on in South Africa is not genocide. And there aren't thousands of displaced Boers trying to get to Europe iirc.

[The New Sea Territory]

So do you agree with what phillips said? Yes it's wrong and discriminatory to try and deny a group representation of their issues based on their demographic and using social justice ideology to make them the outgroup.

Men are the outgroup! Next you'll argue heterosexuals are being oppressed. You've already jumped on the white genocide bandwagon.

Happy to provide evidence:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... ge-s-flags

Seems to be more of a miscommunication within law enforcement than some evil SJW-cultural Marxist plot to oppress white people.

I just provided you evidence of BLM being anti-white racists, and there's plenty of other incidents to back that up too.

From reddit. Great source there.

But if you're jsut going to axiomatically claim its not the case with no argument, then there's no point in talking to you.

HA! No point in talking to ME!

When you openly flirt with white genocide conspiracy theories and blame cultural Marxists for everything! No, the reason this has derailed into non-debate is because of how awful your positions actually are.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

But that's the point. SJW is the boogieman of a narrative, not an actually existing phenomenon.

I'm still waiting for an objective or authoritative definition of what even a "Social Justice Warrior" is. Let alone see any evidence proving their widespread existence.

The way I look at it is that it's kind of like Loch Ness' Nessy. We have a few photos and stories, and some things which you can point to as 'proof', but it isn't really authoritative, and often more subject to an individuals pre-disposition than actual objective reality. I've also yet to meet an SJW, without regard of the fact that even if I was to look I wouldn't have a qualifying definition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g67z_xBe07Q

Let's assume this woman is the poster child of social justice, for the sake of argument. What definition would you draw?