Latin vs. English

[Risottia]

What sayeth thou, O NSers?

What say ye, O NSers?

Ye is a misspelling of þe (the) that came about when the printing press was invented. The French printing presses that the English used didn't have the letter þ (thorn), so saying "ye" is historically inaccurate.

Not quite.

"Ye" is the proper personal pronoun for a subject plural 2nd person.
"Ye" as determinate article instead of "þe" is a inaccuracy from early printing.

He's using it as pronoun, so it's accurate.

[Ceolophysia]

Ye is a misspelling of þe (the) that came about when the printing press was invented. The French printing presses that the English used didn't have the letter þ (thorn), so saying "ye" is historically inaccurate.

Not quite.

"Ye" is the proper personal pronoun for a subject plural 2nd person.
"Ye" as determinate article instead of "þe" is a inaccuracy from early printing.

You know what, that might be true. Nevermind then.

[Gauliscia]

Basically, Latin is a more refined language than the words borrowed from the Germanic tribes. The languages of the nobles were always romance, either Nornan French or Latin, whereas the peasantry spoke Germanic languages.

[Souseiseki]

Basically, Latin is a more refined language than the words borrowed from the Germanic tribes. The languages of the nobles were always romance, either Nornan French or Latin, whereas the peasantry spoke Germanic languages.

define refined

[Southerly Gentleman]

Basically, Latin is a more refined language than the words borrowed from the Germanic tribes. The languages of the nobles were always romance, either Nornan French or Latin, whereas the peasantry spoke Germanic languages.

define refined

In that time period? Being the language of the largest empire at the time, being the language (along with Greek) in which almost all great Western literature was written.

[Angleter]

Basically, Latin is a more refined language than the words borrowed from the Germanic tribes. The languages of the nobles were always romance, either Nornan French or Latin, whereas the peasantry spoke Germanic languages.

Not before 1066. Or later, in Scotland.

[Risottia]

Fixed because if you want something British without Roman influence, you have to go back to BEFORE the Roman conquest of Britannia.

That wouldn't be Old English, because that was before the Anglo-Saxons came.

Oh yeah , I missed the bit about the runes... which are anyway derived from the Greek alphabet.

[Raventsvo]

Most of the latin influence in the English language is French.

It is for this reason that I'm lerning to write in Anglo-Saxon runes, then learn Old English British Celtic, then live in a hut in the forest for the rest of my life, free from the tyranny of latin influenced languages and alphabets.

Fixed because if you want something British without Roman influence, you have to go back to BEFORE the Roman conquest of Britannia.

[Ceolophysia]

Basically, Latin is a more refined language than the words borrowed from the Germanic tribes. The languages of the nobles were always romance, either Nornan French or Latin, whereas the peasantry spoke Germanic languages.

After Willy the Conqueror invaded, yes. Before the Norman invasion, no.

[Dinake]

What sayeth thou, O NSers?

What say ye, O NSers?

Ye is a misspelling of þe (the) that came about when the printing press was invented. The French printing presses that the English used didn't have the letter þ (thorn), so saying "ye" is historically inaccurate.

Actually, that is a correct use of the word ye, which is also the second person nominative plural.

[Thyrgga]

"Bomb" comes from Greek. Wiktionary says that the source word is "βόμβος" (bombos).

Does this mean I finally have my physics education?

Yes.

On anoþer note...

What if we brought back þorn? We no longer have þe issue of French printing presses not having þe character, so it should be fine to use it. It is only an ALT Code away.

[Lady Scylla]

Does this mean I finally have my physics education?

Yes.

On anoþer note...

What if we brought back þorn? We no longer have þe issue of French printing presses not having þe character, so it should be fine to use it. It is only an ALT Code away.

Funnily enough, instead of writing 'th' I write 'h' crossed.

Basically this ♄, though that's the astrological symbol for Saturn.

[Immoren]

Does this mean I finally have my physics education?

Yes.

On anoþer note...

What if we brought back þorn? We no longer have þe issue of French printing presses not having þe character, so it should be fine to use it. It is only an ALT Code away.

Ai þink þat is ö greit aidia.

[Thyrgga]

Yes.

On anoþer note...

What if we brought back þorn? We no longer have þe issue of French printing presses not having þe character, so it should be fine to use it. It is only an ALT Code away.

Ai þink þat is ö greit aidia.

Those are interesting phonetic spellings, but why is did you chose "ö" for /ə/? Usually ö respresents /ø/.

[Immoren]

Ai þink þat is ö greit aidia.

Those are interesting phonetic spellings, but why is did you chose "ö" for /ə/? Usually ö respresents /ø/.

Because it sounded close enough to my ear. <.<

[Meryuma]

Basically, Latin is a more refined language than the words borrowed from the Germanic tribes. The languages of the nobles were always romance, either Nornan French or Latin, whereas the peasantry spoke Germanic languages.

It's only considered "refined" because it was spoken by the upper class.

being the language (along with Greek) in which almost all great Western literature was written.

"Almost all"? Of hwæt eart þu sprecende?!

Plenty of great literature was written in medieval Germanic languages. Beowulf is the most prominent example in Old English, tho not the only one (you also have The Wanderer, The Battle of Brunanburh, etc). And then there's the enormous and highly influential body of Norse literature, including the Eddas and Sagas.

[Novsvacro]

Basically, Latin is a more refined language than the words borrowed from the Germanic tribes. The languages of the nobles were always romance, either Nornan French or Latin, whereas the peasantry spoke Germanic languages.

It's only considered "refined" because it was spoken by the upper class.

being the language (along with Greek) in which almost all great Western literature was written.

"Almost all"? Of hwæt eart þu sprecende?!

Plenty of great literature was written in medieval Germanic languages. Beowulf is the most prominent example in Old English, tho not the only one (you also have The Wanderer, The Battle of Brunanburh, etc). And then there's the enormous and highly influential body of Norse literature, including the Eddas and Sagas.

Eh. These writings were regional and very much the exception when it came to European literary output as a whole. Vernacular literature only began appearing in Europe in significance during the 14th and 15th Centuries (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Incunabula_distribution_by_language.png)

[Thyrgga]

"Almost all"? Of hwæt eart þu sprecende?!

Of hwæm spricst þu?

Þæt hiw wæs giet ne.

I don't think that the progressive form existed yet. Also, note the case of the word "hwæt". I'm pretty sure that "of" takes a dative.

[Gauliscia]

Basically, Latin is a more refined language than the words borrowed from the Germanic tribes. The languages of the nobles were always romance, either Nornan French or Latin, whereas the peasantry spoke Germanic languages.

define refined

As much I love the languages of the Germanic peoples, it sounds like pigs grunting. Latin, on the other hand is just a tad classier

[Novsvacro]

define refined

As much I love the languages of the Germanic peoples, it sounds like pigs grunting. Latin, on the other hand is just a tad classier

That doesn't really matter in terms of language usage historically. Latin is regarded as 'refined' because it was the administrative language of the Western half of the largest and most advanced empire to ever grace the European continent. Even after the Fall of Rome, Latin served as a prestigious lingua franca across Western Europe, due in no small part to its use in the Catholic Church.

If you want a classy and beautiful language, learn Swahili.

[Gauliscia]

As much I love the languages of the Germanic peoples, it sounds like pigs grunting. Latin, on the other hand is just a tad classier

That doesn't really matter in terms of language usage historically. Latin is regarded as 'refined' because it was the administrative language of the Western half of the largest and most advanced empire to ever grace the European continent. Even after the Fall of Rome, Latin served as a prestigious lingua franca across Western Europe, due in no small part to its use in the Catholic Church.

I know, I go to Latin mass when I can. I feel more connected. I fell in love with Latin at school. I'll hopefully do it at uni. Latin poetry however, that is my love..

[Meryuma]

"Almost all"? Of hwæt eart þu sprecende?!

Of hwæm spricst þu?

Þæt hiw wæs giet ne.

I don't think that the progressive form existed yet. Also, note the case of the word "hwæt". I'm pretty sure that "of" takes a dative.

Damn, I knew my grammar was probably a bit off :-/

I know, I go to Latin mass when I can. I feel more connected. I fell in love with Latin at school. I'll hopefully do it at uni. Latin poetry however, that is my love..

*must resist urge to inappropriately quote Catullus*

[Gauliscia]

Of hwæm spricst þu?

Þæt hiw wæs giet ne.

I don't think that the progressive form existed yet. Also, note the case of the word "hwæt". I'm pretty sure that "of" takes a dative.

Damn, I knew my grammar was probably a bit off :-/

I know, I go to Latin mass when I can. I feel more connected. I fell in love with Latin at school. I'll hopefully do it at uni. Latin poetry however, that is my love..

*must resist urge to inappropriately quote Catullus*

I prefer Virgil actually. The Aeneid is just... epic

[Southerly Gentleman]

Basically, Latin is a more refined language than the words borrowed from the Germanic tribes. The languages of the nobles were always romance, either Nornan French or Latin, whereas the peasantry spoke Germanic languages.

It's only considered "refined" because it was spoken by the upper class.

being the language (along with Greek) in which almost all great Western literature was written.

"Almost all"? Of hwæt eart þu sprecende?!

Plenty of great literature was written in medieval Germanic languages. Beowulf is the most prominent example in Old English, tho not the only one (you also have The Wanderer, The Battle of Brunanburh, etc). And then there's the enormous and highly influential body of Norse literature, including the Eddas and Sagas.

I should clarify I was speaking about the period before the collapse of the Western Roman Empire.

[Novsvacro]

It's only considered "refined" because it was spoken by the upper class.



"Almost all"? Of hwæt eart þu sprecende?!

Plenty of great literature was written in medieval Germanic languages. Beowulf is the most prominent example in Old English, tho not the only one (you also have The Wanderer, The Battle of Brunanburh, etc). And then there's the enormous and highly influential body of Norse literature, including the Eddas and Sagas.

I should clarify I was speaking about the period before the collapse of the Western Roman Empire.

Latin was still the primary literary language of Western Europe really until the 17th Century.