Orlando Nightclub Shooting

[Ethel mermania]

He did the middle eastern equivalent of supporting both the crips and the bloods, you know.

That is the most apt analogy for what he did I have ever seen.

crips and bloods work together against a common enemy all the time

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/b ... e-1.167691

[Galloism]

He did the middle eastern equivalent of supporting both the crips and the bloods, you know.

That is the most apt analogy for what he did I have ever seen.

I didn't invent it. That was Yumyum.

[Ethel mermania]

That is the most apt analogy for what he did I have ever seen.

I didn't invent it. That was Yumyum.

but again it proves nothing. crips and bloods do work together when it is in their interest to do so.

edit: anyway i am off to bed, nite gallo

[Galloism]

I didn't invent it. That was Yumyum.

but again it proves nothing. crips and bloods do work together when it is in their interest to do so.

Rarely, with a common enemy, on a purely temporary basis, and no one gives allegiance to both.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

That is the most apt analogy for what he did I have ever seen.

crips and bloods work together against a common enemy all the time

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/b ... e-1.167691

Yes, but you don't claim both simultaneously, which was the entire point, and if you stretch any metaphor too much, it breaks. Do Daesh, Al Qaeada, and Hezbollah work together? No?

Then the metaphor no longer applies.

[The Alexanderians]

FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lovers

So far, they have found no photographs, no text messages, no smartphone apps, no gay pornography and no cell-tower location data to suggest that Mateen — who was twice married to women and had a young son — conducted a secret gay life, the officials said.

Don't tell the thread that, it'll make them re-examine their arguements

[Gauthier]

FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lovers

Don't tell the thread that, it'll make them re-examine their arguements

All the Pulse regulars were lying for the SJW Gay agenda clearly.

[The Alexanderians]

Don't tell the thread that, it'll make them re-examine their arguements

All the Pulse regulars were lying for the SJW Gay agenda clearly.

Clearly we've obviously found a very bad exposure of the wider gayminati. Their plans will be set back for years!

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Don't tell the thread that, it'll make them re-examine their arguements

All the Pulse regulars were lying for the SJW Gay agenda clearly.

And his wife and ex-wife.

[Stormopolis]

It's a good thing you are having a chuckle standing on the pile of dead people this guy left. [sarcasm]

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It's a good thing you are having a chuckle standing on the pile of dead people this guy left. [sarcasm]

I'm actually sitting on my couch, and mocking people who are trying to use this to advance some sort of greater agenda while metaphorically standing on said bodies, but I do appreciate your perspective.

[Ethel mermania]

crips and bloods work together against a common enemy all the time

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/b ... e-1.167691

Yes, but you don't claim both simultaneously, which was the entire point, and if you stretch any metaphor too much, it breaks. Do Daesh, Al Qaeada, and Hezbollah work together? No?

Then the metaphor no longer applies.

They all support a very conservative form of Islam (although different) and terror activities in the west. For a not so bright kid, who is angry at the west, it makes sense.

People blame republicans for not passing a gun bill in the senate this week. Yet two of the proposals were put forth by the republicans, and we're shot done by the Democrats.

Alot of really stupid people out there.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Yes, but you don't claim both simultaneously, which was the entire point, and if you stretch any metaphor too much, it breaks. Do Daesh, Al Qaeada, and Hezbollah work together? No?

Then the metaphor no longer applies.

They all support a very conservative form of Islam (although different) and terror activities in the west. For a not so bright kid, who is angry at the west, it makes sense.

People blame republicans for not passing a gun bill in the senate this week. Yet two of the proposals were put forth by the republicans, and we're shot done by the Democrats.

Alot of really stupid people out there.

No, I get it. He claimed them. And you're right, he was angry, and not so bright, but he wasn't a kid, and you are only looking at the surface of this, and not willing to look any deeper. That's entirely your choice, but it also makes it impossible to point out any other issues that might be there, because it doesn't fit into the neat package that the shooter provided.

And we've moved the fuck on from the gun bill discussion.

[Ethel mermania]

They all support a very conservative form of Islam (although different) and terror activities in the west. For a not so bright kid, who is angry at the west, it makes sense.

People blame republicans for not passing a gun bill in the senate this week. Yet two of the proposals were put forth by the republicans, and we're shot done by the Democrats.

Alot of really stupid people out there.

No, I get it. He claimed them. And you're right, he was angry, and not so bright, but he wasn't a kid, and you are only looking at the surface of this, and not willing to look any deeper. That's entirely your choice, but it also makes it impossible to point out any other issues that might be there, because it doesn't fit into the neat package that the shooter provided.

And we've moved the fuck on from the gun bill discussion.

That was a slam of fustration at rl friends of mine, but there was a point.

The point is people do things for reasons that don't appear to be rational and logicsal, but make sense to the person making the claim. Yes what omar said does not make sense, but that does mean he does not believe it to be true. And because we know it's not true, we should not be discounting that it could very well be true to him.

The big issue is he had a burning hatred and this is how he expressed it. The exact same way the fellows who flew aIrelands into the world Trade Center had a burning hatred, and flying those airplanes is how they expressed it.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

No, I get it. He claimed them. And you're right, he was angry, and not so bright, but he wasn't a kid, and you are only looking at the surface of this, and not willing to look any deeper. That's entirely your choice, but it also makes it impossible to point out any other issues that might be there, because it doesn't fit into the neat package that the shooter provided.

And we've moved the fuck on from the gun bill discussion.

That was a slam of fustration at rl friends of mine, but there was a point.

The point is people do things for reasons that don't appear to be rational and logicsal, but make sense to the person making the claim. Yes what omar said does not make sense, but that does mean he does not believe it to be true. And because we know it's not true, we should not be discounting that it could very well be true to him.

The big issue is he had a burning hatred and this is how he expressed it. The exact same way the fellows who flew aIrelands into the world Trade Center had a burning hatred, and flying those airplanes is how they expressed it.

Sure. My point is that this was based as much upon self-hatred as anything else.

[Ethel mermania]

That was a slam of fustration at rl friends of mine, but there was a point.

The point is people do things for reasons that don't appear to be rational and logicsal, but make sense to the person making the claim. Yes what omar said does not make sense, but that does mean he does not believe it to be true. And because we know it's not true, we should not be discounting that it could very well be true to him.

The big issue is he had a burning hatred and this is how he expressed it. The exact same way the fellows who flew aIrelands into the world Trade Center had a burning hatred, and flying those airplanes is how they expressed it.

Sure. My point is that this was based as much upon self-hatred as anything else.

One of the factors agreed. his Islamic belief system was a factor as well, and probably also contributed to his self hate.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Sure. My point is that this was based as much upon self-hatred as anything else.

One of the factors agreed. his Islamic belief system was a factor as well, and probably also contributed to his self hate.

Oh, no doubt. While it doesn't necessarily take religion to have issues with your sexual identity, it certainly helps to drive you right over that edge into psychosis...of course, if the stories about his adolescence are any indication, he was already pretty far gone.

[Novus America]

That was a slam of fustration at rl friends of mine, but there was a point.

The point is people do things for reasons that don't appear to be rational and logicsal, but make sense to the person making the claim. Yes what omar said does not make sense, but that does mean he does not believe it to be true. And because we know it's not true, we should not be discounting that it could very well be true to him.

The big issue is he had a burning hatred and this is how he expressed it. The exact same way the fellows who flew aIrelands into the world Trade Center had a burning hatred, and flying those airplanes is how they expressed it.

Sure. My point is that this was based as much upon self-hatred as anything else.

Sure, but the reason he hated himself no doubt had a lot to do with his parents extremist beliefs. Amongst other things. The environment he grew up in was probably a large part of what created his self hatred.

[Ethel mermania]

One of the factors agreed. his Islamic belief system was a factor as well, and probably also contributed to his self hate.

Oh, no doubt. While it doesn't necessarily take religion to have issues with your sexual identity, it certainly helps to drive you right over that edge into psychosis...of course, if the stories about his adolescence are any indication, he was already pretty far gone.

Agreed.

The thing I find weird here is the discrepancy between the fbi reports , and the eyewitnesses, In terms of grinder use and what not. Some of the witnesses said he had been to the club and used gay dating apps, and the fbi said no. Data trails don't go away, even if all his devices were wiped, grinder knows who used grinder. Archive may even have it. The club should have other videos of him in the club on the dates other folks claim he was there, there is stuff here that still dosent make sense to me.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Oh, no doubt. While it doesn't necessarily take religion to have issues with your sexual identity, it certainly helps to drive you right over that edge into psychosis...of course, if the stories about his adolescence are any indication, he was already pretty far gone.

Agreed.

The thing I find weird here is the discrepancy between the fbi reports , and the eyewitnesses, In terms of grinder use and what not. Some of the witnesses said he had been to the club and used gay dating apps, and the fbi said no. Data trails don't go away, even if all his devices were wiped, grinder knows who used grinder. Archive may even have it. The club should have other videos of him in the club on the dates other folks claim he was there, there is stuff here that still dosent make sense to me.

Yeah, I'm also getting a bit confused. They're also saying that he had no known connections to terror groups. It's entirely possible that this was a disturbed young man who showed signs of violence throughout his life, and used his poor understanding of Islamic jihadism and terrorist organizations as cover for a general anger that he felt against the world. Hell, if he hadn't tried to claim allegiance to all of those groups at the same time, I'd just say "Yeah, okay, radicalized by the Internet".