America's """Gun""" Problem...

[Kronstad]

...isn't real.
There are ~320 million people in the US currently.
Here's the source for what I'll highlight: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf (page 84).
There are 33,636 deaths per year due to firearms - let's approximate it to 34,000.
21,175 of those are suicides.
That leaves us at 12,825 deaths per year due to guns.
In other words, even assuming absurdly that all those deaths are due to random shootings and can happen to anyone, there's a 0.000040078125% of death.
This should end the gun debate once and for all.
Discuss your reactions.

[Khadgar]

...isn't real.
There are ~320 million people in the US currently.
Here's the source for what I'll highlight: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf (page 84).
There are 33,636 deaths per year due to firearms - let's approximate it to 34,000.
21,175 of those are suicides.
That leaves us at 12,825 deaths per year due to guns.
In other words, even assuming absurdly that all those deaths are due to random shootings and can happen to anyone, there's a 0.000040078125% of death.
This should end the gun debate once and for all.
Discuss your reactions.

We don't have 320,000,000 deaths a year. Don't play with math if you don't know how to use it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Those 12,825 deaths drop even further when you break down that number and remove lawful police killings, self defense, accidents etc.

But hey, lets keep attacking gun rights.

[Kronstad]

We don't have 320,000,000 deaths a year. Don't play with math if you don't know how to use it.

Big words.
Have you read what I wrote?
Assuming those 12,000 deaths happen randomly, so that anyone can be the victim of a shooting (the crux of the main argument used to "control" guns), then even then it doesn't stand (and this is reductio ab absurdum).

[Kronstad]

It's tragic and scary really that there are 20,000 suicides a year by gun alone while no one ever talks about suicides.

[Vassenor]

It's tragic and scary really that there are 20,000 suicides a year by gun alone while no one ever talks about suicides.

You mean aside from using them to say the gun control debate is invalid because reasons?

[Alvecia]

Maybe you should try a different tack. Instead of not having the guns, try not using them so much.

[Ifreann]

...isn't real.
There are ~320 million people in the US currently.
Here's the source for what I'll highlight: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf (page 84).
There are 33,636 deaths per year due to firearms - let's approximate it to 34,000.
21,175 of those are suicides.
That leaves us at 12,825 deaths per year due to guns.
In other words, even assuming absurdly that all those deaths are due to random shootings and can happen to anyone, there's a 0.000040078125% of death.
This should end the gun debate once and for all.
Discuss your reactions.

Your use of scare quotes is sub par, and excessive to the point of silliness. I award you zero points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's tragic and scary really that there are 20,000 suicides a year by gun alone while no one ever talks about suicides.

You mean aside from using them to say the gun control debate is invalid because reasons?

We don't say that, we say the "33,000 deaths a year!!!!!!" thing that morons like Hillary always tout is a meaningless number that's intellectually dishonest.

[Khadgar]

We don't have 320,000,000 deaths a year. Don't play with math if you don't know how to use it.

Big words.
Have you read what I wrote?
Assuming those 12,000 deaths happen randomly, so that anyone can be the victim of a shooting (the crux of the main argument used to "control" guns), then even then it doesn't stand (and this is reductio ab absurdum).

No, those are small words. You're making an argument and using incredibly bad math to back it up. I could use big words but frankly an argument as fucking idiotic as the one you're making isn't worthy of the effort.

There are according to the CDC (who I must point out is forbidden from studying gun violence), 2,596,993 deaths per year in the US. So the number you should haven come up with for non-suicide deaths (which is bullshit but whatever) is .49384037615812% of all deaths in the US are gun related. So you were only off by four orders of magnitude which isn't bad if you're studying... well actually that's pretty fucking horrible for anything. Bit like ordering a hamburger and being delivered all the beef in the US instead.

[Kronstad]

Your use of scare quotes is sub par, and excessive to the point of silliness. I award you zero points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Thank you for your meaningful impact on the discussion.
Truly, you have enlightened us with thine knowledge and thine factual analysis.
Turns out, when I said "discuss your reactions", I was right - the facts are irrefutable.

I don't want or need God's mercy. It's not that I dont respect God, the problem is that -He- does not believe in us.

[Kronstad]

There are according to the CDC (who I must point out is forbidden from studying gun violence), 2,596,993 deaths per year in the US. So the number you should haven come up with for non-suicide deaths (which is bullshit but whatever) is .49384037615812% of all deaths in the US are gun related. So you were only off by four orders of magnitude which isn't bad if you're studying... well actually that's pretty fucking horrible for anything. Bit like ordering a hamburger and being delivered all the beef in the US instead.

What I said is that only 0.00004% of the total population dies every year due to guns.
Yes, out of all deaths there are .5% due to guns, but that's not putting it into perspective.
Again, read what I wrote

third time lucky

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[New Giliberafta]

Big words.
Have you read what I wrote?
Assuming those 12,000 deaths happen randomly, so that anyone can be the victim of a shooting (the crux of the main argument used to "control" guns), then even then it doesn't stand (and this is reductio ab absurdum).

No, those are small words. You're making an argument and using incredibly bad math to back it up. I could use big words but frankly an argument as fucking idiotic as the one you're making isn't worthy of the effort.

There are according to the CDC (who I must point out is forbidden from studying gun violence), 2,596,993 deaths per year in the US. So the number you should haven come up with for non-suicide deaths (which is bullshit but whatever) is .49384037615812% of all deaths in the US are gun related. So you were only off by four orders of magnitude which isn't bad if you're studying... well actually that's pretty fucking horrible for anything. Bit like ordering a hamburger and being delivered all the beef in the US instead.

Question: Why is the CDC banned from studying gun violence?

[Aelex]

Meh. I used to be pro-gun control for sometime but not long ago I came round to the pro-gun "freedoms" arguments as I at least understood that America just is beyond saving as there are too many guns and too much lobbying inside a culture where guns are too much ingrained inside the collective psyche to ever hope of getting ride of them completely.
Let them have their guns. Let them have their fun. Just make sure they can't hurt too much people in the process by adding some psycho tests once in a while.

[Khadgar]

No, those are small words. You're making an argument and using incredibly bad math to back it up. I could use big words but frankly an argument as fucking idiotic as the one you're making isn't worthy of the effort.

There are according to the CDC (who I must point out is forbidden from studying gun violence), 2,596,993 deaths per year in the US. So the number you should haven come up with for non-suicide deaths (which is bullshit but whatever) is .49384037615812% of all deaths in the US are gun related. So you were only off by four orders of magnitude which isn't bad if you're studying... well actually that's pretty fucking horrible for anything. Bit like ordering a hamburger and being delivered all the beef in the US instead.

Question: Why is the CDC banned from studying gun violence?

Short answer, the NRA.

[Khadgar]

Meh. I used to be pro-gun control for sometime but not long ago I came round to the pro-gun "freedoms" arguments as I at least understood that America just is beyond saving as there are too many guns and too much lobbying inside a culture where guns are too much ingrained inside the collective psyche to ever hope of getting ride of them completely.
Let them have their guns. Let them have their fun. Just make sure they can't hurt too much people in the process by adding some psycho tests once in a while.

Any common sense efforts to keep guns away from those who would actually commit crimes is a violation of the sacred second amendment. Which is why I don't usually bother arguing on this topic.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No, those are small words. You're making an argument and using incredibly bad math to back it up. I could use big words but frankly an argument as fucking idiotic as the one you're making isn't worthy of the effort.

There are according to the CDC (who I must point out is forbidden from studying gun violence), 2,596,993 deaths per year in the US. So the number you should haven come up with for non-suicide deaths (which is bullshit but whatever) is .49384037615812% of all deaths in the US are gun related. So you were only off by four orders of magnitude which isn't bad if you're studying... well actually that's pretty fucking horrible for anything. Bit like ordering a hamburger and being delivered all the beef in the US instead.

Question: Why is the CDC banned from studying gun violence?

They aren't banned from studying gun violence, they had their funding cut (and it was actually increased again in 2013) for various reasons.

[Ifreann]

Your use of scare quotes is sub par, and excessive to the point of silliness. I award you zero points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Thank you for your meaningful impact on the discussion.
Truly, you have enlightened us with thine knowledge and thine factual analysis.
Turns out, when I said "discuss your reactions", I was right - the facts are irrefutable.

I'm sure someone else can explain to you how thousands of deaths is a bad thing, even when those deaths are by suicide, and I see Khadgar is endeavouring to explain to you how dividing things randomly by the population of the US does not constitute meaningful analysis. And aside from that, my reaction was that you have too many scare quotes and you put them around the wrong word.

I don't want or need God's mercy. It's not that I dont respect God, the problem is that -He- does not believe in us.

I'm sorry if my pop-cultural reference upset you.

[Vassenor]

Question: Why is the CDC banned from studying gun violence?

They aren't banned from studying gun violence, they had their funding cut (and it was actually increased again in 2013) for various reasons.

Nope, as of 2015 they're banned from doing it.

[Khadgar]

They aren't banned from studying gun violence, they had their funding cut (and it was actually increased again in 2013) for various reasons.

Nope, as of 2015 they're banned from doing it.

Remember, every mass shooting is caused by mental health issues, but when it comes to studying such things the answer is "guns violence isn't a disease".

[Washington Resistance Army]

They aren't banned from studying gun violence, they had their funding cut (and it was actually increased again in 2013) for various reasons.

Nope, as of 2015 they're banned from doing it.

Hmm, kinda shocked I didn't hear about that.

[Big Jim P]

No, those are small words. You're making an argument and using incredibly bad math to back it up. I could use big words but frankly an argument as fucking idiotic as the one you're making isn't worthy of the effort.

There are according to the CDC (who I must point out is forbidden from studying gun violence), 2,596,993 deaths per year in the US. So the number you should haven come up with for non-suicide deaths (which is bullshit but whatever) is .49384037615812% of all deaths in the US are gun related. So you were only off by four orders of magnitude which isn't bad if you're studying... well actually that's pretty fucking horrible for anything. Bit like ordering a hamburger and being delivered all the beef in the US instead.

Question: Why is the CDC banned from studying gun violence?

Politicizing their results.

[Big Jim P]

You mean aside from using them to say the gun control debate is invalid because reasons?

We don't say that, we say the "33,000 deaths a year!!!!!!" thing that morons like Hillary always tout is a meaningless number that's intellectually dishonest.

You want intellectual dishonesty, see what Katie Couric did with her "documentary".

[Washington Resistance Army]

We don't say that, we say the "33,000 deaths a year!!!!!!" thing that morons like Hillary always tout is a meaningless number that's intellectually dishonest.

You want intellectual dishonesty, see what Katie Couric did with her "documentary".

Oh I saw, she really shot herself in the foot with that one.

[Big Jim P]

You want intellectual dishonesty, see what Katie Couric did with her "documentary".

Oh I saw, she really shot herself in the foot with that one.

Lying AND committing at least eight counts of violating Federal law.
And the gun grabbers wonder why the get so little respect. Maybe they should educate themselves and try a little honesty.