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[Ostroeuropa]

Muslims as a group feel they are better represented by the current UK government and system than the natives do.

With good reason.

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news ... ally-think

Bet you a fucking tenner you're taking way out of context "British muslims think that democracy is a good thing"

More positive findings include:

• A large majority of British Muslims feel a strong sense of belonging to their local area (91%). This is higher than the national average (76%)

• A large majority of British Muslims feel a strong sense of belonging to Britain (86%). This is higher than the national average (83%)

• A large majority of British Muslims feel that they are able to practice their religion freely in Britain (94%)

• British Muslims are more likely than the rest of the population to feel that they can influence decisions affecting Britain (33% vs 21%)

• British Muslims are more likely than the rest of the population to feel that their local MP reflects their views (44% vs 41%)

• 88% of British Muslims think that Britain is a good place for Muslims to live

• 78% of British Muslims would like to integrate into British life on most things apart from Islamic schooling and some laws

Oh fucking look.

"Islamic schooling and some laws." Oh well that's fine then, right?
I'm well aware that many Muslims like democracy. Look at the arab spring and the theocratic republics that arose.

Why is it out of context?
Muslims seem to feel more empowered as a demographic than natives do and think the government will cater to them at a higher rate than natives.
Seems relevant to claims they are taking over.

[Zeinbrad]

Bet you a fucking tenner you're taking way out of context "British muslims think that democracy is a good thing"

Oh fucking look.

"Islamic schooling and some laws." Oh well that's fine then, right?
I'm well aware that many Muslims like democracy. Look at the arab spring and the theocratic republics that arose.

Why is it out of context?
Muslims seem to feel more empowered as a demographic than natives do and think the government will cater to them at a higher rate than natives.
Seems relevant to claims they are taking over.

Perhaps it's because natives have people like you answering the polls. (This is not meant as an insult).

Also, being confident in you're MPs/Senators and thinking they properly represent you is what Democracy is for. It's why we vote.

No offense, but you're debating style seems to be solely "Misunderstand data and from a extremely biased perspective" and "Through out random terms such as cultural marxist and SJW to distract from the flaws in my argument". Reading you're post has actually lowered any chance of me supporting you're views instead of making me see what you're saying.

In short, you need to reevaluate how you debate, as you just come across as a naive teenager who searches up articles on the internet and picks the ones that support his argument without properly evaluating them. Then plays rings-around-the Rosie whenever his stance is challenged.

[Ostroeuropa]

Perhaps it's because natives have people like you answering the polls. (This is not meant as an insult).

What's your point?

Also, being confident in you're MPs/Senators and thinking they properly represent you is what Democracy is for. It's why we vote.

Yes... and our democracy is apparently serving muslims better than natives according to that poll, that's the argument i'm making... That thing it's for, according to you? It's doing it for muslims more than the rest of the populace.

No offense, but you're debating style seems to be solely "Misunderstand data and from a extremely biased perspective" and "Through out random terms such as cultural marxist and SJW to distract from the flaws in my argument".

Feel free to point out which data i'm misunderstanding. The terms aren't random and can be justified.

Reading you're post has actually lowered any chance of me supporting you're views instead of making me see what you're saying.

Which is odd, because you've basically just made the argument I made as though it helped your case.

In short, you need to reevaluate how you debate, as you just come across as a naive teenager who searches up articles on the internet and picks the ones that support his argument without properly evaluating them. Then plays rings-around-the Rosie whenever his stance is challenged.

Nah, I get enough fanmail to know this is bollocks, glib as that may sound. If you want to actually provide alternative sources or go through the ones I provided and point out why they don't support the conclusions I say they do, that's another story and we can see if there's anything to your assertion here that i'm misrepresenting or misunderstanding data, or cherry picking articles. You havn't actually challenged the stats and arguments I provided. Noone has.

You've got articles that go against my argument? Fine, do the legwork and grab them. Something wrong with the way the data was gathered for the stats I provided? Fine, point it out. But just up and declaring "Naive teenager" isn't a good argument.

[New confederate ramenia]

>establishment parties completely fail to win over popular support and even look like theyre representing the people
>people vote for a hippie and a nazi
what a surprise

[Kelinfort]

Bet you a fucking tenner you're taking way out of context "British muslims think that democracy is a good thing"

Oh fucking look.

"Islamic schooling and some laws." Oh well that's fine then, right?
I'm well aware that many Muslims like democracy. Look at the arab spring and the theocratic republics that arose.

Why is it out of context?
Muslims seem to feel more empowered as a demographic than natives do and think the government will cater to them at a higher rate than natives.
Seems relevant to claims they are taking over.

Choundary is very comfortable with the British government *nod*

Also, a Muslim cannot be a native of the British isles?

[Grave_n_idle]

Birth certificate isn't intrinsically tied to citizenship.

Passports would be a better link - but not all citizens travel outside the borders.

But it's a red herring anyway - in general, people fraudulently voting is not statistically significant - and that is, after all, what electoral democracy is - rule by statistical significance.

If it's not such an issue, then what's the harm in having a voter/proof of citizenship ID. In many countries, state-issued IDs are freely given upon request, so there can't be complaints of some people not being able to afford them.

Your question doesn't make sense. "If it's not such an issue, then what's the harm in having a voter/proof of citizenship ID..." doesn't actually connect to what I said.

But the question is academic. If ID is not free, then requiring ID is a financial disqualifier.

[Othelos]

No....not nearly to that extent. The factors that led to the holocaust are nonexistent. People like to blow up prejudice in Europe because it's dramatic, but anywhere else, islamaphobia would be considered just islamaphobia.

I don't understand the comparison. I don't understand the term either, but the comparison just really doesn't stand. In what way are the two groups similar, really?

Both are/were populist and nationalist, but the similarities pretty much stop there.

[Othelos]

>establishment parties completely fail to win over popular support and even look like theyre representing the people
>people vote for a hippie and a nazi
what a surprise

Really? A hippie and a Nazi? Please extend your thinking beyond simple (false) equivalencies.

[Imperializt Russia]

Perhaps it's because natives have people like you answering the polls. (This is not meant as an insult).

What's your point?

Let's say you lived in London and you answered this poll. Due to the femimarxist agenda of the Caliphate Khan, I imagine you would state you do not feel like you have much power in politics (because the SJWs and Muslims stole all of it from you) and that your local politicians do not represent your views.

Because, Ostro, you are frankly an extremist.

Also, being confident in you're MPs/Senators and thinking they properly represent you is what Democracy is for. It's why we vote.

Yes... and our democracy is apparently serving muslims better than natives according to that poll, that's the argument i'm making... That thing it's for, according to you? It's doing it for muslims more than the rest of the populace.

You have jumped to the conclusion "British democracy caters to Muslims at the expense of natives". Rather than the more rational explanation, "British Muslims value democracy more than natives (by all of four fucking percentage points) who, like the rest of the west, have grown apathetic and complacent to it".