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Kraslavia
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Ex-Nation

Postby Kraslavia » Thu May 26, 2016 5:02 pm

Kyrinasaj wrote:I mostly describe myself as a libertarian socialist. I am pro-choice, full equality for LGBT, for social equality, however unlike most leftists I believe that regulated capitalism combined with socialism can work, I am against ''political correctness'' and for free speech and for me individualism is very important too. Also I try to think about every single issue individually. I don't want to adopt a ideology because I will never agree with a worldview completely, I want to form my own opinions.

Pretty much same for me.

My deviations propably mostly are:

Against one-party state. (non-party state is better)
Against central-controlled economy.
Free market economics (but with collective-cooperative owngage of means of production)
Limiting central budget (local taxes!!)
Tax credits as reward for "contrbuting in society" (if you volutary funded school, hospital, firestation, library or any other public use space - then your contribution is done and there's no need to make you contribute more.)
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New Benian Republic
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Postby New Benian Republic » Thu May 26, 2016 6:09 pm

Olivaero wrote:
New Benian Republic wrote:Some days I'm a fascist or atleast extremely nationalistic other times I feel pretty socialist.

So some type of... Nationalistic Socialist? :P

Nah I don't feel them at the same time haha.
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Nasjonal Regjering Norge
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Postby Nasjonal Regjering Norge » Thu May 26, 2016 6:59 pm

i'm a national socialist ( strasserite) and i support:

-german socialism (think fully nationalised economy, otto strasser's book germany tomorrow explains it p well since he came up with it :lol2: )
nationalism
-i'm mostly against birth control (for more than religious reasons)

-i'm pro capital punishment

-i support welfare (not like it is now)

-i'm pro environment but not hippie tier if you know what i mean

-pro gun

-anti drug including alcohol

-i support regional autonomy within a state

idk what else to put here hope i wasnt too vague
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Kazarogkai
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Kazarogkai » Thu May 26, 2016 8:05 pm

I typically regard myself as an unapologetic statist with a penchant for a strong centralized government which rules over it's domain with a firm though usually fair hand. Despite this I am anemic towards one man rule and have never been completely thrilled with oligarchies either. I still prefer a republic which maintains itself via rule of law and the consent of the governed and even support local representation and to a lesser degree control on some issues.

As a conservationist I believe it is are duty to take care of the earth and when making use of natural resources to do are best to make use of them in the most productive manner possible and with future generations in mind.

When it comes to matters of a more social sort, I have a tendency to stick myself in as a conservative(immigration, family values, drugs, law and order, etc) despite my occasional conflicts with such persons on a number of issues which I take a more radical line(religion) or identify with more moderate voices(guns). I've till this day maintained a strong respect for commuitarians with me generally agreeing with their views on the maintenance of social stability and equality, though I differ with them on the means by which to bring about and maintain those things.

When it comes to economics I consider myself a centrist with a strong disdain for communism and capitalism. Corporatism and distributism seem to be the main things I find myself having an affinity towards though I commonly find myself in agreement with elements of both the moderate left(Social Democracy, National Syndicalism) and right(Christian Democracy, State Capitalism) occasionaly.

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Lokayata
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Founded: Sep 26, 2015
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Postby Lokayata » Mon May 30, 2016 5:22 am

I support strong unions
I support the free market
I believe that the state should mediate disputes between capitol and labour
I believe that the private sector is more efficient than the state so i support the privatization of things such as the postal service and public transport
I support strict environmental protection laws
I'm a free speech absolutist
I believe guns should be legal but regulated
I support drug legalization
I support same sex marriage
I believe we should only use military force to defend the nation, aid our allies or to prevent genocide
I believe that limited immigration is good but mass immigration is bad
I believe there should be a separation of Money and Politics
I'm a secularist

so I guess that makes me a Liberal?

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Narland
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Founded: Apr 19, 2013
Anarchy

Postby Narland » Mon May 30, 2016 3:09 pm

No real deviation to my knowledge, although my worldview is very forgiving about allowing people to make their own decisions so long as they do not force it on anyone else. It is consistent within its own framework.

I am a philosophically consistent Objective Realist Christian Humanist along Classical Western Civ lines, fully in support of the Reformation, Renaissance, and that part of the Enlightenment that is distinctly Christian. My civics are methodologically paleo-liberal ontologically and paleo-conservative epistemologically. My civic responsibility is informed by Rutherford, Grotius, Puffendorf, Hooker, Locke, Blackstone and the Founding Fathers both Federalist and Anti-Federalist. This of course makes me a theistic right leaning libertarian in the light of 21st Century manipulative American oligarchy (and fully disestablishmentarian) in full agreement with Ayn Rands ontology but based an a more consistent epistemology from Plato to Augustine to Aquinas to Calvin, especially to Edwards, and as follows by RC Sproul regarding how we know what we know to be true. Malcolm Muggeridge, CS Lewis, Francis Shaeffer (and one time Fanky Shaeffer--as represented in the book "Is Capitalism Christian?") are three people who share my Theology and Philosophy. RC Sproul and Wayne Grudem share my religious sentiments, and Ron Paul and Barry Goldwater my political understanding.

to summarize:

Objective Realist Christian Humanist Traditional American Federalist Democratic-Republican Goldwater/Reagan/Paul Conservative (Right-Leaning Libertarian) with no cognizant deviation.
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Esternial
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Esternial » Mon May 30, 2016 3:48 pm

I don't affiliate myself by default. I just support whichever policy I feel is most beneficial, and sometimes those are leftists policies, sometimes more right.

Putting yourself in a bracket just cheapens the value and complexity of your ideology.

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Noraika
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Postby Noraika » Mon May 30, 2016 3:59 pm

One that's become very apparent to me of late is that, while I'm generally very progressive, I have no toleration for illegal immigration, think that most-all illegal immigrants, and their children if not of age, should be deported. In addition, I also think that my country should be copying Denmark's immigration laws.
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Dinake
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Postby Dinake » Mon May 30, 2016 5:24 pm

I'm a pretty hard line rightist, and ignoring economics, my main deviations from the social conservative line are opposition to the war on drugs and a fondness for immigration, admittedly the latter being mostly because I want more Catholics rather than any principle of the thing.
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon May 30, 2016 5:40 pm

Urmanian wrote:I am full libertarian/ancap but I'm extremely liberal and pro-"degeneracy" on social issues while most libertarians these days seem to increasingly fall with the reactionary alt-right scene.

Sometimes I just wish I was a communist or something.


there's always left wing market anarchism

im starting to respect them more than the current run up of altright Hoppean edgelords
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Skappola
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Postby Skappola » Mon May 30, 2016 5:49 pm

My ideology tends to fall under libertarianism, though I differ on the idea that we shouldn't intervene to stop global warming and other environmental issues. Of course, it looks like Gary Johnson wants tax credits for alternative energy, so I suppose I don't differ too crazily.
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Postby South East Europe » Mon May 30, 2016 6:02 pm

I'm a devout Catholic and an avid Conservative but I also support Bernie Sanders for president and global LGBT equality. I'm anti-abortion (except in cases of rape, incest or to save the mothers life), pro-death-penalty (in cases of murder and sexual abuse of children), pro-firearm (as long as it's registered) and pro-universal-healthcare (except I'm against Obamacare), so basically my perspective is all over the board and well-thought-out.
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Hersuria
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Postby Hersuria » Mon May 30, 2016 9:26 pm

I really don't know what I am.

I believe that creationism shouldn't be taught in the classroom, as evolution has fr more scientific backing. I also believe that religion in general should be kept out of public affairs, with the government being secular with a clear separation between church and state. the government should also fund research that could prove useful for society, or support it in other ways.

I also believe that a democratic republic is the best form of government, although representatives should have term limits. I'm not really a huge fan of political parties. in my opinion, hey only breed factionalism that can threaten society, with me much preferring a party-less state. The power of the government should be held by the people,

Environmentalism is very important, and we should also be doing more to curb tale global warming and climate change.

Racism and white superiority is an outdated and unsupported idea that is held by those who must believe that they are better to their fellow inhabitants on this earth. This also holds for homophobia, sexism, islamiphobia, etc.
And the ideologies that are often formed in response to these are most like going to be equally idiotic.

I can respect pacifists, but believe that they are to optimistic abut humans. And start to hate them when they start to dis on veterans.

I subscribe to realpolitikic, "America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests".

I'm pretty pro gun, supporting the repeal of the NFA, although a overhaul of the NCIS system would be nice.

I support gay marriage, the LGBT community, and what else have you.

I'm not a real big an of communism in practice, having yet to see any good examples of it in the real world. Same goes for anarchism of any kind.

Along the lines of keeping creationism out of schools, sex ed should be taught in schools starting t the age when most kids are reaching sexual maturity (around the 8th grade).

More research should be put into renewable energies, with emphasis on nuclear power.

The stigma around GMOs is relatively unfounded in my opinion, although Monsanto can go f*** its self.

Essential services, such as the postal service, healthcare, etc, should public, with a healthcare system such as the NHS being ideal.
Beyond that i support the type of capitalism that is present in the United States, but with a greater emphasis on small businesses.

Throw in some good ole' love and pride for the USA, a mild belief in American Exceptionalism, support for tighter border control,less interventionism, and you have me.
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Postby Meryuma » Mon May 30, 2016 9:30 pm

Hersuria wrote:I really don't know what I am.


Overall, I'd say a liberal.
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Postby Yorkers » Mon May 30, 2016 9:44 pm

Far-right larping. It's quite fun.
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