Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:Nordengrund wrote:
I just need a clarification. I thought that states were permitted to leave and secession was not illegal until after the war.
It was a hotly debated topic before the war. After the war the idea that the Constitution was, in effect, a contract and that secession was illegal was more or less accepted.Freakoland wrote:
1. I literally just said why it would not have actually cost the planters more than you think. Low priced labor and was common in England, France, Russia, and other big industrial giants of Europe. The north was pretty well to do with the latter system.
2. Actually, it is subjective. In this case, according to an amendment made after the war, secession was illegal. Obviously the South Carolina didn't think so. Also, objective in what sense? Legally? Morally?
3. It is kind of ignorant to collectivize the South under any term. The word Confederacy literally means a loose collection of states or lands, therefore, each one was relatively fluid in the way it behaved. Jefferson Davis told Beuragard to refrain from firing on Sumter if possible. You could then say Beuragard was responsible for the war.
4. I could agree with you on that to some extent. But it is hard to collectively state the reasoning for young men of the South at that time. It certainly runs deeper then a simple answer. There are multiple reasons as to why one would go to war.
1. If it was so cheap for them to do so then rather than start a massive war by just butting out of the Union they would have done so. The Institution of Slavery was more important to the Conservative Southern Aristocracy than profits were necessarily. Why? Because it is what kept them in power, separated them from the poorer classes. In the case of those poorer classes, slavery is what kept them from being the lowest of the low, and, in such a hierarchical environment, being the lowest of the low is most certainly not where you want to be.
2. The Constitution is like a contract. Every state signed it to enter into the United States of America. One (or several) States do not get to just walk out because they are upset about who won an election. Only when the other signatories give permission to the states to secede can they, legally speaking, leave the contract.
3. Obviously the Confederacy was a loosely bound group. Its part of the reason why they lost the war. But South Carolina was still a Southern state, and Beauregard was still a southern general.
4. Yes I would agree you can't simply say "Every Johnny Reb wanted the war for X, Y, and Z." But at the same time one can point out at popular reasons, and "I need someone below me on the social scale" was a one of the more popular ones.Germanic Templars wrote:
1) My issue with public school is that it is funded by the government, and in the past so it has been creating generations of failures and idiots for the most part. Because if knowledge is power and you have control over said power, you can control the people (Yes tinfoil hat worth but still).
And while I may not be the biggest fan of the Huffington post, they do make a point I am trying to create.
2. Again your issue is yours, but since we are talking about that I went to private education and was "indoctrinated" in Catholicism, my parents "indoctrinated" me to have manners, respect, discipline, you know a respectful citizen. While Catholic church taught me to be a good person (didn't work too well since I am an asshole from time to time), it kinda taught a pseudo-form of communism, dont remember much really since my past is a blur.
Different forms of harm. If they beat the child for something stupid, then hey that is wrong, but if the child is being a disrespectful little shit, then give'em a spank on the ass. Afterward it is best to let them know what they did wrong and to not do it again.
3. Eh, in the end guess I was tryin to make a simile... Then again working and typin doesn't help when a patient comes up to you every 1 minute or so.
1. Every single educational system has its own biases, because everyone has their own interests that they look out for, but having a stupid population is by far not in the interest of the government. Unintelligence holds back our economy and cripples our ability to remain on top. Its rather silly to say the US Government wants a dumb population when having a dumb population makes us weaker. Government involvement in public schooling used to actually be justified under the Government's obligations to the National Defense for this very reason.
2. I personally think you would be better off if you were allowed to discover religion on your own, and determine which faith spoke the most to you, or, as was my case, determine for yourself that you didn't really feel that there was a God. To me, at least, that is preferable to having one religion presented to you as the "right one" and being more-or-less forced to intellectually conform to it.
3. I see, no problem. Real life is tough
That's just not true. Cotton was the main priority of the South at the time. There was talk of emancipating the slaves, even by Jefferson himself. Slavery kept them in power because slaves were essentially money, along with the staple crop of cotton. Profits are what made them the top dogs, that is profits generated by slaves. No doubt slavery was an important factor, but it was not the main factor. Rather a factor in a multitude of factors, which all essentially boiled down to money.
