Right-Wing Discussion Thread Part Two

[Geattland]

What's everyones opinion of the National Anarchist Movement?

(I bet you someone will say "THEY ARENT REAL ANHRCHISTSUA!!!!1!11)

Holy shit. i've legit never seen someone actually claim they are anything close to anarchists. Damn, lol. Even "an"caps don't put up with them.

You're free to believe whatever lies you want, but in my eyes National Anarchism is very similar to Anarcho-Primitivism with an emphasis on racial identity (which is not to be confused with racism).

[PaNTuXIa]

Anarchism isn't right wing, it's the total opposite. Conservativism is founded on, according to Merriam-Webster:

Anarchism embraces change and challenges tradition. No form of Anarchism, not even "Anarcho"-Capitalism, is right-wing.

I have never claimed to be a conservative. Traditionalism =/= conservatism.

Also, anarchism isn't anarchism. Nice work.

"Anarcho"-Capitalism is not true Anarchism. I wasn't referring to you specifically, I was referring to the creator of this poll.

[Geattland]

I have never claimed to be a conservative. Traditionalism =/= conservatism.

Also, anarchism isn't anarchism. Nice work.

"Anarcho"-Capitalism is not true Anarchism. I wasn't referring to you specifically, I was referring to the creator of this poll.

Oh, okay. I

[Korouse]

Nobody would consent to it, and it would be opposed fairly quickly.

Furthermore, mass deportations carried out by who? A state? Doesn't sound very anarchist to me.

1) - You're wrong. Volkisch movements and friends ring a bell? Oh wait, you don't have friends.

2) - The government, or y'know, the people.

1. I don't make friends with racists or Stormfronters, so you're right!

2. A government which would directly instigate force on a populace which lives under its borders? Not a state at all.

[Geattland]

1) - You're wrong. Volkisch movements and friends ring a bell? Oh wait, you don't have friends.

2) - The government, or y'know, the people.

1. I don't make friends with racists or Stormfronters, so you're right!

2. A government which would directly instigate force on a populace which lives under its borders? Not a state at all.

I'm neither a racist or a Stormfronter.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Holy shit. i've legit never seen someone actually claim they are anything close to anarchists. Damn, lol. Even "an"caps don't put up with them.

You're free to believe whatever lies you want, but in my eyes National Anarchism is very similar to Anarcho-Primitivism with an emphasis on racial identity (which is not to be confused with racism).

Bruh, seriously. At face value, the ideology just comes off as some sort of rebranded white nationalist tribalism, with a stylish little ideological nod to Mussolini.

And primitivism? Shit's borderline anyway.

[Living Stones]

Socially you could see Nazism as more right wing, yes (though I prefer the Libertarian vs Authoritarian distinction that's more commonly used now a days).

But look at neo-Nazism, and "the far-right" in an economic sense, look at the platforms of these modern "neo-Nazi parties" whether it be Jobbik, the Swedish Democrats (or the now extinct Party of the Swedes which was literally a Nazi party), Britains First, Le Pens National Front, you name it. All are economically left wing and have much more in common with the average Social Democratic centre-left party, than with a centre-right pro austerity, pro free market, pro foreign trade, Liberal Conservative party.

Nazism is in my opinion "third positionist", but I think it's unfair to refer it to as "far-right" when many elements of Nazism are leftist elements. Either way it's third positionist, the true "far-right" would be some weird Libertarian ideology combined with militarism and social Conservatism.

No, that's not true. The real far right is any number of traditionalist economic ideologies opposed to mass urbanization coupled with reactionism, social conservatism, anti-nationalist patriotism and cultural preservationism. Libertarianism isn't really far right- the free market rhetoric is largely restricted to the center right, and they don't really practice what they preach.

What does this opposition to mass urbanization mean in practical terms? Would urban population be set by quota? Would existing urban areas be deliberately depopulated? How would this be accomplished without large-scale central planning, which I think you aren't a fan of?

[United Marxist Nations]

What does the thread think of Belarus? Looks like a pretty nice country tbh.

EDIT: Have to take dog for a walk, so replies will be delayed by a few mins.

[Wolfmanne2]

I have never claimed to be a conservative. Traditionalism =/= conservatism.

Also, anarchism isn't anarchism. Nice work.

"Anarcho"-Capitalism is not true Anarchism. I wasn't referring to you specifically, I was referring to the creator of this poll.

I find it extremely amusing when anarchists and libertarians about which anarchism or libertarianism is the true kind.

[Dejanic]

"Anarcho"-Capitalism is not true Anarchism. I wasn't referring to you specifically, I was referring to the creator of this poll.

I find it extremely amusing when anarchists and libertarians about which anarchism or libertarianism is the true kind.

To be fair, Anarchism and "Anarcho Communism" were synonymous for 100's of years, then "Anarcho-Capitalists" came along a few decades ago and tried to claim the title. I'll hand it to the left Anarchists on this one.

Both ideologies are utterly stupid for different reasons mind you, but Anarcho-Capitalism is a different kind of stupid, at least Communist Anarchism could work in small Communes or something. Anarcho-Capitalism literally sounds like a FF7 dystopia.

Though the funniest part is that Anarcho-Capitalists claim their Capitalism is the true Capitalism, even though Capitalism with a state has existed for hundreds of years and actually works, and Anarcho-Capitalism was theorised in a library somewhere a few decades ago. Yeah ok.

[The East Marches]

What does the thread think of Belarus? Looks like a pretty nice country tbh.

EDIT: Have to take dog for a walk, so replies will be delayed by a few mins.

Hey man, I like the whole "neo-Soviet" feel it has going. Nice tank parades, clean streets, growing heavy industry and collectivized farms. Whats not to love?

Edit: Fair warning that I am a sucker for a good parade

[The Liberated Territories]

The Scotsman is dead, stop beating him.

[Northern Davincia]

What does the thread think of Belarus? Looks like a pretty nice country tbh.

EDIT: Have to take dog for a walk, so replies will be delayed by a few mins.

They have flat taxes, so it automatically makes them better than most of Europe.

[Dejanic]

What does the thread think of Belarus? Looks like a pretty nice country tbh.

EDIT: Have to take dog for a walk, so replies will be delayed by a few mins.

They have flat taxes, so it automatically makes them better than most of Europe.

Yeah they have flat taxes at like 90%, hardly a Libertarian paradise. They're literally the last remaining soviet style paradise in Europe.

[New confederate ramenia]

What do you guys mean, Belarus is still "Soviet"? They're still socialist?

[Dejanic]

What do you guys mean, Belarus is still "Soviet"? They're still socialist?

I wouldn't call them Socialist, but they're crony state Capitalist.

[New confederate ramenia]

What do you guys mean, Belarus is still "Soviet"? They're still socialist?

I wouldn't call them Socialist, but they're crony state Capitalist.

But do they still follow the old Soviet model?

[United Marxist Nations]

I wouldn't call them Socialist, but they're crony state Capitalist.

But do they still follow the old Soviet model?

Pretty close to it, and their economy isn't terrible from what I see: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 1-2013.jpg (though, it looks like inflation is an issue(?) I don't know how CPI's measurements actually go).

[Geilinor]

I wouldn't call them Socialist, but they're crony state Capitalist.

But do they still follow the old Soviet model?

It sounds very Soviet.
[url]http://belarusdigest.com/story/getting-know-belarus-american’s-year-minsk-15372[/url]

[The Kievan People]

What does the thread think of Belarus? Looks like a pretty nice country tbh.

EDIT: Have to take dog for a walk, so replies will be delayed by a few mins.

Probably the best east Slavic state to live in at the moment.

Which isn't saying much. But when you look at the clusterfuck that is Ukraine or the general shittiness of Russia, Lukashenko deserves some credit.

[The East Marches]

But do they still follow the old Soviet model?

It sounds very Soviet.
[url]http://belarusdigest.com/story/getting-know-belarus-american’s-year-minsk-15372[/url]

Great article, thanks for posting it.

[Dinake]

No, that's not true. The real far right is any number of traditionalist economic ideologies opposed to mass urbanization coupled with reactionism, social conservatism, anti-nationalist patriotism and cultural preservationism. Libertarianism isn't really far right- the free market rhetoric is largely restricted to the center right, and they don't really practice what they preach.

What does this opposition to mass urbanization mean in practical terms? Would urban population be set by quota? Would existing urban areas be deliberately depopulated? How would this be accomplished without large-scale central planning, which I think you aren't a fan of?

To start with, by making rural areas better to live in, and by voluntarily moving there. It's no secret that any transition to distributism- or anything like it- would require an enormous voluntarist component. That's one of the more informed criticisms of the idea.
The other components could be:
Moving small factories out of the cities to small towns. Not large factories, because the presence of large factories turns small towns into cities. Other measures to ensure jobs are available in small towns are also a good idea.
Guilds and cooperatives can more easily adjust to a mode of production based more in small towns, so forming them.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

To be fair, Anarchism and "Anarcho Communism" were synonymous for 100's of years, then "Anarcho-Capitalists" came along a few decades ago and tried to claim the title. I'll hand it to the left Anarchists on this one.

Both ideologies are utterly stupid for different reasons mind you, but Anarcho-Capitalism is a different kind of stupid, at least Communist Anarchism could work in small Communes or something. Anarcho-Capitalism literally sounds like a FF7 dystopia.

*nods in acceptance*

Though the funniest part is that Anarcho-Capitalists claim their Capitalism is the true Capitalism, even though Capitalism with a state has existed for hundreds of years and actually works, and Anarcho-Capitalism was theorised in a library somewhere a few decades ago. Yeah ok.

Yeahhhh. Also should be noted how capitalism necessitates a state. Stateless capitalism is not... a thing.

"An"caps really have no ideological leg to stand on, at all. The whole concept is just ridiculous, not to mention oxymoronic.

[The East Marches]

What does this opposition to mass urbanization mean in practical terms? Would urban population be set by quota? Would existing urban areas be deliberately depopulated? How would this be accomplished without large-scale central planning, which I think you aren't a fan of?

To start with, by making rural areas better to live in, and by voluntarily moving there. It's no secret that any transition to distributism- or anything like it- would require an enormous voluntarist component. That's one of the more informed criticisms of the idea.
The other components could be:
Moving small factories out of the cities to small towns. Not large factories, because the presence of large factories turns small towns into cities. Other measures to ensure jobs are available in small towns are also a good idea.
Guilds and cooperatives can more easily adjust to a mode of production based more in small towns, so forming them.

I believe your understanding of modern manufacturing is a bit dated. The majority of the jobs that I've been seeing pop in CNC have been 1-10 man enterprises run in small towns. Most of the time the employees get some form of share in the company or an extremely high level of pay ($60,000 with a two year technical degree requirement). Namely for the reasons of low property taxes and its safe environment to live/raise kids. Guilds may be dead as a concept but cooperatives still have unrealized potential imo.

[Korkut (Ancient)]

What does the thread think of Belarus? Looks like a pretty nice country tbh.

EDIT: Have to take dog for a walk, so replies will be delayed by a few mins.

Eastern Europe's answer to Paraguay?

ie: an isolated backwater ruled by an asshole which isn't considered on tier with like Zaire because they have a functioning economy