Monarchist discussion thread

[Salus Maior]

At least, that's how I assume it is. Because the only example I can think of is the HRE.

The Kings of the Franks, at least the early ones, and many Anglo and Saxon kings were elected

Well, considering Charlemagne's Frankish Kingdom pretty much evolved into the HRE (and the state of France) that's not surprising didn't know about the Anglo-Saxons though.

The more you know...

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Typical for a presidential or parliamentary system?
How much power is this fucker getting?

I wouldn't know. Depends on the country.

Well, there is hope for people who don't like the king's cheese after all.

The Kings of the Franks, at least the early ones, and many Anglo and Saxon kings were elected

Well, considering Charlemagne's Frankish Kingdom pretty much evolved into the HRE (and the state of France) that's not surprising didn't know about the Anglo-Saxons though.

The more you know...

It was probably a (West) Germanic tradition based around electing chieftains.

[Zuid-Amerika]

A constitutional monarchy can be good for developing stable government, however, after a nation is stable and constitutional rule is established, I think that's when it's time to finish democratizing the system with an elected head of state.

Monarchs may be popular and more trusted than elected politicians but they're still unelected and hold their office purely by being born into it. That's no way to run a modern democracy.

Then there are the monarchies that harm their populations rather than help them stabilize their democracies, like Saudi Arabia and Swaziland.

Especially in Europe, the day of monarchy is over. It's time to have elected heads of state.

[Old Tyrannia]

A constitutional monarchy can be good for developing stable government, however, after a nation is stable and constitutional rule is established, I think that's when it's time to finish democratizing the system with an elected head of state.

Why? If you have a functioning democratic system, what difference does it make whether the head of state is elected or not?

Monarchs may be popular and more trusted than elected politicians but they're still unelected and hold their office purely by being born into it. That's no way to run a modern democracy.

Again, why? Why is it no way to run a "modern democracy?" The UK is the birthplace of modern democracy, and we've done just fine under constitutional monarchy. What makes you think you know better than the people who invented the system? And why should we care whether we live in a "modern democracy" anyway?

Especially in Europe, the day of monarchy is over. It's time to have elected heads of state.

No it's not. The people of Europe's remaining monarchies don't want elected heads of state and there's no reason they should be made to have them. Your "argument" amounts to whining that this isn't how modern democracies are supposed to function, without any justification for why modern democracies should have elected heads of state or why it matters whether a nation is a "modern democracy" or not.

[Dinake]

Ah, so, all the negatives of both an elected president and a hereditary monarchy. Wonderful.

At least, that's how I assume it is. Because the only example I can think of is the HRE.

Malaysia and Poland-Lithuania have or had kings with power equivalent to a typical president. In both cases, elections are by and from a group of elite families. In the case of Poland-Lithuania, election was for life, while in Malaysia there are term limits.

[Rio Cana]

A Constitutional Monarchy has very little power so why bother at all with having a monarchy.

[NeuPolska]

A Constitutional Monarchy has very little power so why bother at all with having a monarchy.

That's wrong and I suggest going back a few pages to see why.

Malaysia and Poland-Lithuania have or had kings with power equivalent to a typical president. In both cases, elections are by and from a group of elite families. In the case of Poland-Lithuania, election was for life, while in Malaysia there are term limits.

Well, yes, at one point Poland-Lithuania had an elected monarch. But the Commonwealth was also at one point a hereditary monarchy and a standard constitutional monarchy, all while being referred to as Rzeczpospolita.

[Atelia]

Ahh, I wasnt aware this thread existed. Well I will say that I am a footsoldier in the effort to restore Russia to Tsardom, and I can say that I do see reason to be optimistic.

[Greater Tezdrian]

God save the Queen, etc etc.

[NeuPolska]

Ahh, I wasnt aware this thread existed. Well I will say that I am a footsoldier in the effort to restore Russia to Tsardom, and I can say that I do see reason to be optimistic.

I'd prefer a Tsar over Putin, or just about any other current candidate.

[Tsadokion]

Absolute monarchist.

[Atelia]

Ahh, I wasnt aware this thread existed. Well I will say that I am a footsoldier in the effort to restore Russia to Tsardom, and I can say that I do see reason to be optimistic.

I'd prefer a Tsar over Putin, or just about any other current candidate.

Putin is certainly great, and I appreciate all of his efforts but we need a strong leader after him and I feel of his efforts have driven the country in a direction where establishing a Tsar will be easier.

[Salus Maior]

I'd prefer a Tsar over Putin, or just about any other current candidate.

Putin is certainly great, and I appreciate all of his efforts but we need a strong leader after him and I feel of his efforts have driven the country in a direction where establishing a Tsar will be easier.

Who would even be crowned as Tsar? I'm fairly certain most of the Russian Royals are dead.

[Britanania]

Putin is certainly great, and I appreciate all of his efforts but we need a strong leader after him and I feel of his efforts have driven the country in a direction where establishing a Tsar will be easier.

Who would even be crowned as Tsar? I'm fairly certain most of the Russian Royals are dead.

The great-great-granddaughter of Tsar Aleksandr Nikolaevich, Maria Vladimirovna, is the current head of the House of Romanov since 1992, although this is disputed by Dimitri Romanov, a direct patrilineal descendant of Tsar Nikolai Pavlovich

[Atelia]

Who would even be crowned as Tsar? I'm fairly certain most of the Russian Royals are dead.

The great-great-granddaughter of Tsar Aleksandr Nikolaevich, Maria Vladimirovna, is the current head of the House of Romanov since 1992, although this is disputed by Dimitri Romanov, a direct patrilineal descendant of Tsar Nikolai Pavlovich

Indeed. I am not opposed to restoring the Romanovs, but I would prefer along with many others to elect the next Tsar and thus begin a new imperial dynasty.

[Britanania]

The great-great-granddaughter of Tsar Aleksandr Nikolaevich, Maria Vladimirovna, is the current head of the House of Romanov since 1992, although this is disputed by Dimitri Romanov, a direct patrilineal descendant of Tsar Nikolai Pavlovich

Indeed. I am not opposed to restoring the Romanovs, but I would prefer along with many others to elect the next Tsar and thus begin a new imperial dynasty.

Russia has a historical precedent for doing that when in 1613 the Boyar elected Mikhail Fyodorovich Romanov as Tsar after the main line of the House of Rurik went extinct. They can certainly have an election

[Salus Maior]

The great-great-granddaughter of Tsar Aleksandr Nikolaevich, Maria Vladimirovna, is the current head of the House of Romanov since 1992, although this is disputed by Dimitri Romanov, a direct patrilineal descendant of Tsar Nikolai Pavlovich

Indeed. I am not opposed to restoring the Romanovs, but I would prefer along with many others to elect the next Tsar and thus begin a new imperial dynasty.

I have the feeling that would end in the Putin Tsarist Dynasty

Of course, I'm not saying that's necessarily bad.

[Old Tyrannia]

Indeed. I am not opposed to restoring the Romanovs, but I would prefer along with many others to elect the next Tsar and thus begin a new imperial dynasty.

Russia has a historical precedent for doing that when in 1613 the Boyar elected Mikhail Fyodorovich Romanov as Tsar after the main line of the House of Rurik went extinct. They can certainly have an election

But the House of Romanov is not extinct. As long as there is a Romanov claimant to the throne, any other claimant would be an illegitimate usurper.

[Aeyariss]

A Constitutional Monarchy has very little power so why bother at all with having a monarchy.

Tradition, culture, identity. Some nation still have sentimental attachmen toward their royalty. While ceremonial some are the symbol of national unity - Thai for example. The people may hate the junta but they still revered the King.

[Grand Calvert]

A Constitutional Monarchy has very little power so why bother at all with having a monarchy.

Tradition, culture, identity. Some nation still have sentimental attachmen toward their royalty. While ceremonial some are the symbol of national unity - Thai for example. The people may hate the junta but they still revered the King.

Yeah but constitutional monarchies are still useless. Either do away with democracy and go full monarchist or just don't have a monarch. None of this middle of the road nonsense. There's no point in having a monarch if they are controlled by democratically elected leaders.

[Old Tyrannia]

Tradition, culture, identity. Some nation still have sentimental attachmen toward their royalty. While ceremonial some are the symbol of national unity - Thai for example. The people may hate the junta but they still revered the King.

Yeah but constitutional monarchies are still useless. Either do away with democracy and go full monarchist or just don't have a monarch. None of this middle of the road nonsense. There's no point in having a monarch if they are controlled by democratically elected leaders.

Constitutional monarchies are not always "controlled by democratic leaders." Executive constitutional monarchies do exist.

[Aeyariss]

Yeah but constitutional monarchies are still useless. Either do away with democracy and go full monarchist or just don't have a monarch. None of this middle of the road nonsense. There's no point in having a monarch if they are controlled by democratically elected leaders.

Depends in context, in some constitutional monarchy, the Monarch is above the Executive branch of government and are not dictated by the ruling government but are bound by the constitution. They have their own constitutional function, and does have their own purpose - for example, criticizing the Executive Branch whenever the Head of Government mess up, or giving assent to any Parliamentary act or even to the point of appointing the Head of Government. They have their own purposes.

Still, if there's a King that just sits around, doing nothing, acting all high and mighty on tax payers money and doesnt serve any purpose by all means send them to the guillotine.

[Cabana]

I don't really consider myself a monarchist, but I do believe constitutional monarchies like the UK are the best way to go.

[Old Tyrannia]

Yeah but constitutional monarchies are still useless. Either do away with democracy and go full monarchist or just don't have a monarch. None of this middle of the road nonsense. There's no point in having a monarch if they are controlled by democratically elected leaders.

Depends in context, in some constitutional monarchy, the Monarch is above the Executive branch of government and are not dictated by the ruling government but are bound by the constitution. They have their own constitutional function, and does have their own purpose - for example, criticizing the Executive Branch whenever the Head of Government mess up, or giving assent to any Parliamentary act or even to the point of appointing the Head of Government. They have their own purposes.

Still, if there's a King that just sits around, doing nothing, acting all high and mighty on tax payers money and doesnt serve any purpose by all means send them to the guillotine.

I never fail to be amazed by just how keen republicans are to kill people who happen to be born into a royal or noble bloodline.

[West Aurelia]

People should not be given power just because of their bloodline.