60% of Germans - Islam Does Not Belong In Germany.

[Kubumba Tribe]

10: There is such a country of Palestine. Palestine fell when the British invaded and occupied it, then the UN divided Palestinian land to their liking.

Palestine was not an independent country before the British. It was part of the Ottoman Empire.

True, but Palestinians weren't oppressed. And the weren't kicked out of their land.

[Geilinor]

Palestine was not an independent country before the British. It was part of the Ottoman Empire.

True, but Palestinians weren't oppressed. And the weren't kicked out of their land.

What makes Turkish imperialism better than British imperialism?

[The balkens]

There is no point in fighting a losing war/battle.

Yes there is.

Other then the extermination of your people/takeover of your land.

[Kubumba Tribe]

True, but Palestinians weren't oppressed. And the weren't kicked out of their land.

What makes Turkish imperialism better than British imperialism?

It wasn't imperialism, it was the expansion of an empire. If it was, then every empire in existence would've been imperialists.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Yes there is.

Other then the extermination of your people/takeover of your land.

When you have a huge number of allies, that doesn't happen.

[Aelex]

What makes Turkish imperialism better than British imperialism?

It wasn't imperialism, it was the expansion of an empire. If it was, then every empire in existence would've been imperialists.

So, basically, it's only ebil imperialism when white people does it?

[Kubumba Tribe]

It wasn't imperialism, it was the expansion of an empire. If it was, then every empire in existence would've been imperialists.

So, basically, it's only ebil imperialism when white people does it?

When did I say that?

[The balkens]

Other then the extermination of your people/takeover of your land.

When you have a huge number of allies, that doesn't happen.

Allies like who?

[Aelex]

When did I say that?

Ottoman conquer Middle East -> " Alright, it's just 'empire building' "
British conquer Middle East -> " Muh Ebil Western Imperialism!!!!1!1!!!111!!!"

[Kubumba Tribe]

When you have a huge number of allies, that doesn't happen.

Allies like who?

Many Arab states support the full freedom of Palestine. Non-Arab countries also support Palestine
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/articl ... xkVle9I-8e
https://www.google.com/search?q=palesti ... C&dpr=0.95

[The balkens]

Allies like who?

Many Arab states support the full freedom of Palestine. Non-Arab countries also support Palestine
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/articl ... xkVle9I-8e
https://www.google.com/search?q=palesti ... C&dpr=0.95

Them and what army that can defeat Israel?

[Communist Xomaniax]

They can integrate into any other country.

They still would lose their land. That's Palestine's land. They must have it back.

The local arab muslims had their chance to cooperate and live in peace, with each side getting a piece of their ancestral land. It's nobody's fault but the arabs' that they decided to try and take all of it and got their balls kicked in.

[Kubumba Tribe]

When did I say that?

Ottoman conquer Middle East -> " Alright, it's just 'empire building' "
British conquer Middle East -> " Muh Ebil Western Imperialism!!!!1!1!!!111!!!"

Yet you quoted: "It wasn't imperialism, it was the expansion of an empire. If it was, then every empire in existence would've been imperialists."

[Occupied Deutschland]

They still would lose their land. That's Palestine's land. They must have it back.

The local arab muslims had their chance to cooperate and live in peace, with each side getting a piece of their ancestral land. It's nobody's fault but the arabs' that they decided to try and take all of it and got their balls kicked in.

Well, to be more fair, the British cock-uppery of the decolonization of the region bears a large portion of the blame.

Turns out promising the same thing to different people, playing sides off one another, and then pulling out when tensions are beginning to boil over can cause a spot of trouble.

[Kubumba Tribe]

They still would lose their land. That's Palestine's land. They must have it back.

The local arab muslims had their chance to cooperate and live in peace, with each side getting a piece of their ancestral land. It's nobody's fault but the arabs' that they decided to try and take all of it and got their balls kicked in.

That's wasn't the Ashkenazi Jews' ancestral land. It was the Hebrews if you're typing about the Jews' ancestral land. And even if it is, the Jews can still live there. They shouldn't be taking over Palestinian land though.

[Geilinor]

What makes Turkish imperialism better than British imperialism?

It wasn't imperialism, it was the expansion of an empire. If it was, then every empire in existence would've been imperialists.

The expansion of an empire is imperialism.

[Communist Xomaniax]

A more fitting analogy would have been you agreeing to share an house with someone to get the rental only to try to drive him off of it as soon as you got the keys but ending up being the one to be kick off of it as you over-estimated your own power and the weakness of your former housemate.

No, it should be like this: Someone goes up to your house, acts like it his and either kicks you out or goes back to his/her house but still has control over yours. A poor person comes in and you or him let him/her in. Once the poor person's better, said rich person (the former poor person) tries to take over your house. The person that invaded and occupied your house decides to give the rich person more control over your own house. You have smaller control.

This analogy also works for the arabs, given that that kicked the door in, flooded into the house, and demanded that the jewish owner and their family submit to muslim authority and pay rent. Some of the jewish family stayed and some left. Over time the property ended up in the hands of numerous landlords, until in the twentieth century the current owner decided that it should be divided up between the descendants of the original owners (the jewish family) and the descendants of the people who barged in in the first place (the arab muslims). The latter, not satisfied with already lording over almost the entirety of the region, made a point of trying to drive the jewish descendants out entirely, or at least burn the place down. But they turned out to be weak and incompetent martially, and so now they live in the crawlspace since they repeatedly tried to kick out the jewish family and ended up in smaller and smaller parts of the house.

[Communist Xomaniax]

Other then the extermination of your people/takeover of your land.

When you have a huge number of allies, that doesn't happen.

It still happened, given that tiny little Israel kicked the stuffing out of the Arab League until the latter pissed themselves and sued for peace.

[Communist Xomaniax]

What makes Turkish imperialism better than British imperialism?

It wasn't imperialism, it was the expansion of an empire. If it was, then every empire in existence would've been imperialists.

Surely you understand how words work. Expanding your empire is the very definition of imperialism. The Ottomans expanded their empire by coercion and force.

[Communist Xomaniax]

The local arab muslims had their chance to cooperate and live in peace, with each side getting a piece of their ancestral land. It's nobody's fault but the arabs' that they decided to try and take all of it and got their balls kicked in.

That's wasn't the Ashkenazi Jews' ancestral land. It was the Hebrews if you're typing about the Jews' ancestral land. And even if it is, the Jews can still live there. They shouldn't be taking over Palestinian land though.

Israel is the ancestral land of all jews, just like arabia is the ancestral land of all arabs. If they aren't entitled to a piece of their ancestral land, why are the arab muslim Palestinians?

[Stormopolis]

That's wasn't the Ashkenazi Jews' ancestral land. It was the Hebrews if you're typing about the Jews' ancestral land. And even if it is, the Jews can still live there. They shouldn't be taking over Palestinian land though.

Israel is the ancestral land of all jews, just like arabia is the ancestral land of all arabs. If they aren't entitled to a piece of their ancestral land, why are the arab muslim Palestinians?

Oh, that's easy. Because they're Jews.

[Minzerland]

Ottoman conquer Middle East -> " Alright, it's just 'empire building' "
British conquer Middle East -> " Muh Ebil Western Imperialism!!!!1!1!!!111!!!"

Yet you quoted: "It wasn't imperialism, it was the expansion of an empire. If it was, then every empire in existence would've been imperialists."

Imperialism
ɪmˈpɪərɪəlɪz(ə)m/
noun
A policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means.

The expansion of an Empire is imperialism.

[Alvecia]

Yet you quoted: "It wasn't imperialism, it was the expansion of an empire. If it was, then every empire in existence would've been imperialists."

Imperialism
ɪmˈpɪərɪəlɪz(ə)m/
noun
A policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means.

The expansion of an Empire is imperialism.

To be fair, due to the vague "by other means" literally any method by which any country expands it's borders or influence can be considered imperialism.

[Minzerland]

The expansion of an Empire is imperialism.

To be fair, due to the vague "by other means" literally any method by which any country expands it's borders or influence can be considered imperialism.

Indeed, it's not all that clear. But what I took issue with was when Kubumba Tribe said, 'It wasn't imperialism, it was the expansion of an empire', I set out to correct that.

[Ostroeuropa]

True, but Palestinians weren't oppressed. And the weren't kicked out of their land.

What makes Turkish imperialism better than British imperialism?

Brown people.

It wasn't imperialism, it was the expansion of an empire. If it was, then every empire in existence would've been imperialists.

So, basically, it's only ebil imperialism when white people does it?

Welcome to post-colonial studies.

The expansion of an Empire is imperialism.

To be fair, due to the vague "by other means" literally any method by which any country expands it's borders or influence can be considered imperialism.

Yeh pretty much, which is why I don't take it seriously.