60% of Germans - Islam Does Not Belong In Germany.

[Kuruinulah]

Maybe Merkel needs to reopen Auschwitz and send the Wahhabis, Salafis, and leftist there.

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[Kubra]

This completely ignores one of the fundamental concepts of Christianity; with the coming of the Messiah, the Old Law and the Covenant of Moses are no longer applicable, being replaced by the New Law and the Covenant of Christ. There is no Biblical evidence to suggest that Christ ever intended for the Old Law to still be in effect; the only verse which could possibly be interpreted in a way which allows the Old Law to remain relevant has that interpretation totally contradicted by the fact that Christ explicitly states that violence is forbidden, making it impossible to follow the Old Law's commands.

Seriously, the Torah and the Old Law are completely irrelevant when talking about Christianity; unless you can actually cite evidence from the New Law, from the Gospel, then your claim that Christianity is inherently violent is total nonsense.

that's heretical regards, hereticfrogs

The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its books are divinely inspired and retain a permanent value, for the Old Covenant has never been revoked.
Indeed, "the economy of the Old Testament was deliberately so oriented that it should prepare for and declare in prophecy the coming of Christ, redeemer of all men." "Even though they contain matters imperfect and provisional," the books of the Old Testament bear witness to the whole divine pedagogy of God’s saving love: these writings "are a storehouse of sublime teaching on God and of sound wisdom on human life, as well as a wonderful treasury of prayers; in them, too, the mystery of our salvation is present in a hidden way."
Christians venerate the Old Testament as true Word of God. The Church has always vigorously opposed the idea of rejecting the Old Testament under the pretext that the New has rendered it void (Marcionism). (CCC 121-123)

how can ancap and catholic and the same time

[Ostroeuropa]

So outdated European culture should be celebrated but outdated Middle Eastern culture must be exterminated. Got it.

If dutch black people complain that's one thing and it should be considered. But that isn't what's happening.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Nationalism is our only option here. The communists of today are a bunch of hippies that accept these muslims as fellow men, going against Karl Marx's atheist beliefs.

I feel bad for Karl Marx, his once pretty alright ideology (before Lenin, of course) has now devolved into a collection of garbage for the weakminded.

I despise nationalism. It's a massive source of violence, and especially encourages it.
The difference between Nationalism and Religion is: Religion doesn't advocate killing people if they don't believe in it(At least in general it doesn't, some people and some passages in holy books though do), while nationalism is essentially: kill all people we don't want in our country, our country is the best, fuck you and the rest of you can get the fuck out and are below us.

Well that's not what nationalism is at all.

Nationalism is just the belief that what's good for the nation is what is morally good. And to be fair, nationalism solved a lot of problems. Uniting diverse groups of people under one banner.

[Netherlands Mualenia]

I'm not saying it should be exterminated, but kept in their fucking states, not in mine.

You wouldn't like it if Mexicans start forcing their catholic beliefs on your country, would you? Now, given, the Mexicans are far more developed than you in any aspect, but still.

You are an imperialist dog.

Let's not use Mexico as an example.

Also, Catholicism is already a major religion in many countries in the West. Protestants are more problematic than Catholics.

Luckily the Netherlands is a majority atheist and agnostic state.

[Urmanian]

how can ancap and catholic and the same time

I am the opposite of a catholic.

[Kubra]

how can ancap and catholic and the same time

I am the opposite of a catholic.

then why are you putting the catechism on an obviously orthodox guy

[American Great Empire]

Nationalism is our only option here. The communists of today are a bunch of hippies that accept these muslims as fellow men, going against Karl Marx's atheist beliefs.

I feel bad for Karl Marx, his once pretty alright ideology (before Lenin, of course) has now devolved into a collection of garbage for the weakminded.

I despise nationalism. It's a massive source of violence, and especially encourages it.
The difference between Nationalism and Religion is: Religion doesn't advocate killing people if they don't believe in it(At least in general it doesn't, some people and some passages in holy books though do), while nationalism is essentially: kill all people we don't want in our country, our country is the best, fuck you and the rest of you can get the fuck out and are below us.

Nationalism- The strong belief that the interests of a particular nation-state are of primary importance. Also, the belief that a people who share a common language, history, and culture should constitute an independent nation, free of foreign domination. Yes, very violent.

[Great Feng]

I despise nationalism. It's a massive source of violence, and especially encourages it.
The difference between Nationalism and Religion is: Religion doesn't advocate killing people if they don't believe in it(At least in general it doesn't, some people and some passages in holy books though do), while nationalism is essentially: kill all people we don't want in our country, our country is the best, fuck you and the rest of you can get the fuck out and are below us.

Well that's not what nationalism is at all.

Nationalism is just the belief that what's good for the nation is what is morally good. And to be fair, nationalism solved a lot of problems. Uniting diverse groups of people under one banner.

I have seen many nationalists and they all advocate violence, many are conservative and traditionalists(Which I dislike), xenophobic(Which I also hate), and hate minorities(which I despise), and also would impose their nation upon others if they believed the land and/or people belonged to them(Which I despise). See why I hate them? I hate most Nationalists.

[PaNTuXIa]

I despise nationalism. It's a massive source of violence, and especially encourages it.
The difference between Nationalism and Religion is: Religion doesn't advocate killing people if they don't believe in it(At least in general it doesn't, some people and some passages in holy books though do), while nationalism is essentially: kill all people we don't want in our country, our country is the best, fuck you and the rest of you can get the fuck out and are below us.

Nationalism- The strong belief that the interests of a particular nation-state are of primary importance. Also, the belief that a people who share a common language, history, and culture should constitute an independent nation, free of foreign domination. Yes, very violent.

Nationalism isn't violent, Nationalists are violent.

[Netherlands Mualenia]

Well that's not what nationalism is at all.

Nationalism is just the belief that what's good for the nation is what is morally good. And to be fair, nationalism solved a lot of problems. Uniting diverse groups of people under one banner.

I have seen many nationalists and they all advocate violence, many are conservative and traditionalists(Which I dislike), xenophobic(Which I also hate), and hate minorities(which I despise), and also would impose their nation upon others if they believed the land and/or people belonged to them(Which I despise). See why I hate them? I hate most Nationalists.

Yes, of course, you Islamists believe the world is all yours to enslave.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This completely ignores one of the fundamental concepts of Christianity; with the coming of the Messiah, the Old Law and the Covenant of Moses are no longer applicable, being replaced by the New Law and the Covenant of Christ. There is no Biblical evidence to suggest that Christ ever intended for the Old Law to still be in effect; the only verse which could possibly be interpreted in a way which allows the Old Law to remain relevant has that interpretation totally contradicted by the fact that Christ explicitly states that violence is forbidden, making it impossible to follow the Old Law's commands.

Seriously, the Torah and the Old Law are completely irrelevant when talking about Christianity; unless you can actually cite evidence from the New Law, from the Gospel, then your claim that Christianity is inherently violent is total nonsense.

that's heretical regards, hereticfrogs

The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its books are divinely inspired and retain a permanent value, for the Old Covenant has never been revoked.
Indeed, "the economy of the Old Testament was deliberately so oriented that it should prepare for and declare in prophecy the coming of Christ, redeemer of all men." "Even though they contain matters imperfect and provisional," the books of the Old Testament bear witness to the whole divine pedagogy of God’s saving love: these writings "are a storehouse of sublime teaching on God and of sound wisdom on human life, as well as a wonderful treasury of prayers; in them, too, the mystery of our salvation is present in a hidden way."
Christians venerate the Old Testament as true Word of God. The Church has always vigorously opposed the idea of rejecting the Old Testament under the pretext that the New has rendered it void (Marcionism). (CCC 121-123)

Well, notice how it is presented though.

The Old testament bears as a witness of God's grace. It doesn't stand as a law. Because otherwise it'd be judaization, which was one of the first heresies in the Church since the apostles decided in their council that since salvation was achieved through faith in Christ, that there was no need for Gentiles nor for Jewish Christians to follow the Law to be members of the Church.

To say we must follow the Law of Moses would be heresy.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Well that's not what nationalism is at all.

Nationalism is just the belief that what's good for the nation is what is morally good. And to be fair, nationalism solved a lot of problems. Uniting diverse groups of people under one banner.

I have seen many nationalists and they all advocate violence, many are conservative and traditionalists(Which I dislike), xenophobic(Which I also hate), and hate minorities(which I despise), and also would impose their nation upon others if they believed the land and/or people belonged to them(Which I despise). See why I hate them? I hate most Nationalists.

To be fair, that's pretty much a good portion of Muslims too according to Pew Global Research.

[Ostroeuropa]

Well that's not what nationalism is at all.

Nationalism is just the belief that what's good for the nation is what is morally good. And to be fair, nationalism solved a lot of problems. Uniting diverse groups of people under one banner.

I have seen many nationalists and they all advocate violence, many are conservative and traditionalists(Which I dislike), xenophobic(Which I also hate), and hate minorities(which I despise), and also would impose their nation upon others if they believed the land and/or people belonged to them(Which I despise). See why I hate them? I hate most Nationalists.

That's largely changed since the modern wave of nationalism.
In order to more broadly appeal to the public, the far-right has ammended its views and shifted toward socially liberal, egalitarian policies, centrist economics, and nationalist border control, tariffs, and foreign relations. This is how they have managed to capitalize so hard on the current events and have a surge. A central part of the far-rights rhetoric is now defending secularism, gay people, and womens rights.

[Great Feng]

I despise nationalism. It's a massive source of violence, and especially encourages it.
The difference between Nationalism and Religion is: Religion doesn't advocate killing people if they don't believe in it(At least in general it doesn't, some people and some passages in holy books though do), while nationalism is essentially: kill all people we don't want in our country, our country is the best, fuck you and the rest of you can get the fuck out and are below us.

Nationalism- The strong belief that the interests of a particular nation-state are of primary importance. Also, the belief that a people who share a common language, history, and culture should constitute an independent nation, free of foreign domination. Yes, very violent.

Sorry, I believe in one world government.
Prime examples of bad Nationalists(At least most of these examples highlight bad people):
Nazis, Yugoslav nationalists, Russian Nationalists(Who want to restore the USSR's land and/or claim many former USSR countries rightfully belong to Russia), Turkish Nationalists, American Nationalists, etc.

[Vallermoore]

How about banning Islam but...

making clear that it will not be enforced on any law abiding Muslim or mosque? But any Muslims who do break the law can be rounded up, and if there is not enough evidence for their crimes, they could still deport them for being Muslim.

[Kryozerkia]

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[Kriga]

You're actually advocating for National Socialism. That is literally the definition of NatSoc. Regardless of whether it's democratic or not, it's a bigoted system that breeds ignorance. I would pick a society of intelligent capitalists over mindless nationalists. any day.

You mean those 'intelligent' white knights that let our continents be invaded by the Islamic plague and drive us from our homes?

I'd take Hitler over you traitors any day. I'd rather be under a nationalist dictatorship than an Islamic dictatorship.

So, you would curb your own civil liberties, because you don't like Muslims?

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

I have seen many nationalists and they all advocate violence, many are conservative and traditionalists(Which I dislike), xenophobic(Which I also hate), and hate minorities(which I despise), and also would impose their nation upon others if they believed the land and/or people belonged to them(Which I despise). See why I hate them? I hate most Nationalists.

That's largely changed since the modern wave of nationalism.
In order to more broadly appeal to the public, the far-right has ammended its views and shifted toward socially liberal, egalitarian policies, centrist economics, and nationalist border control, tariffs, and foreign relations. This is how they have managed to capitalize so hard on the current events and have a surge. A central part of the far-rights rhetoric is now defending secularism, gay people, and womens rights.

Though, I'm now in favor of collapsing Western Society, replacing it with roaming Death Squads that enforce Shariah would be a really fun change. I personally would join and proliferate Muhammed and Potatoes.

[Great Feng]

I have seen many nationalists and they all advocate violence, many are conservative and traditionalists(Which I dislike), xenophobic(Which I also hate), and hate minorities(which I despise), and also would impose their nation upon others if they believed the land and/or people belonged to them(Which I despise). See why I hate them? I hate most Nationalists.

Yes, of course, you Islamists believe the world is all yours to enslave.

Me? Islamist? Please, I believe in the possibility of a Muslim Antichrist(Though also a Jewish and/or Atheist antichrist).

[Fascist Russian Empire]

that's heretical regards, hereticfrogs

The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its books are divinely inspired and retain a permanent value, for the Old Covenant has never been revoked.
Indeed, "the economy of the Old Testament was deliberately so oriented that it should prepare for and declare in prophecy the coming of Christ, redeemer of all men." "Even though they contain matters imperfect and provisional," the books of the Old Testament bear witness to the whole divine pedagogy of God’s saving love: these writings "are a storehouse of sublime teaching on God and of sound wisdom on human life, as well as a wonderful treasury of prayers; in them, too, the mystery of our salvation is present in a hidden way."
Christians venerate the Old Testament as true Word of God. The Church has always vigorously opposed the idea of rejecting the Old Testament under the pretext that the New has rendered it void (Marcionism). (CCC 121-123)

First of all, which catechism are you citing? Catholic doctrine, Eastern Orthodox doctrine, Coptic Orthodox doctrine, Methodist doctrine, Presbyterian doctrine, or what? Just quoting some random paragraph that states the Old Testament remains part of the scripture is not any kind of proof that Christians are still beholden to the Old Law.

And, no, the Old Testament wasn't removed from the scripture with the coming of the Messiah. The story of creation and the historical accounts found within the OT always have been true and always will be true; that is not being questioned. However, it is abundantly clear to anyone who has read the Gospel that the Old Law is no longer something that people must adhere to. And, whatever church's doctrine you found this paragraph from, they're blatantly wrong about the Old Covenant not being revoked.

First Corinthians, chapter eleven, is abundantly clear on the creation of a new covenant in the blood of Christ. Matthew, chapter twenty six, is equally clear on the creation of a new covenant. To claim that the Covenant of Moses is still relevant is ridiculous, and has no grounding in the Gospel whatsoever. The creation of a new covenant inherently involves the repudiation of the old one.

[Netherlands Mualenia]

You mean those 'intelligent' white knights that let our continents be invaded by the Islamic plague and drive us from our homes?

I'd take Hitler over you traitors any day. I'd rather be under a nationalist dictatorship than an Islamic dictatorship.

So, you would curb your own civil liberties, because you don't like Muslims?

If I need to choose between two evils, I choose the evil that doesn't kill me or oppress me as much as the other.

[Urmanian]

I am the opposite of a catholic.

then why are you putting the catechism on an obviously orthodox guy

Well, his statement was "christianity considers the old testament fulfilled and irrelevant." For 1,2 billion Christians, that's sort of not the case.

I admittedly don't know what is the Eastern Orthodox stance on this, but I'd like to learn.

[Great Feng]

I have seen many nationalists and they all advocate violence, many are conservative and traditionalists(Which I dislike), xenophobic(Which I also hate), and hate minorities(which I despise), and also would impose their nation upon others if they believed the land and/or people belonged to them(Which I despise). See why I hate them? I hate most Nationalists.

That's largely changed since the modern wave of nationalism.
In order to more broadly appeal to the public, the far-right has ammended its views and shifted toward socially liberal, egalitarian policies, centrist economics, and nationalist border control, tariffs, and foreign relations. This is how they have managed to capitalize so hard on the current events and have a surge. A central part of the far-rights rhetoric is now defending secularism, gay people, and womens rights.

Huh...Guess it's just the USA and Internet then.
Still hate them Nazis, Ottoman nationalists, Serbian ones(For advocating the slaughter of muslims, and minorities, as well as people not of slavic/serb ethnicity), USA ones, and USSRussian ones.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

So, you would curb your own civil liberties, because you don't like Muslims?

If I need to choose between two evils, I choose the evil that doesn't kill me or oppress me as much as the other.

See that's unfair. If you convert to Islam, you can join the roaming Death Squads. How fun will it be when the Muslim Pope commands us to pull Order 66, and we all turn on the Leftists, or however I presume Islam works.