60% of Germans - Islam Does Not Belong In Germany.

[Liriena]

But Islam should not be practiced in any form in the west.

Thanks for coming out as an authoritarian, Ostro. I'm sure the dominionists of the world appreciate it.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

About time the Germans realized that. Islam doesn't belong in Germany, nor anywhere else in Europe. The tenets and practices of that religion fundamentally contradict the European system of values, and cannot ever be conciled.

[Jamzmania]

Does any of this contradict the fact of Islam's violent nature and the high frequency of Islamic terrorism?

Islam is not what causes the violence in the middle east, it is the instability, the dictatorships and corruption. All of which can be traced back to various western backed schemes. Im american, and we've done some awful stuff. over thrown many democratic governments in the region. In times of instability religion and radicalism blossom.

Violent jihad have been part of Islam almost since its conception.

[Acarn]

The call to prayer, the Adhan, calls Muslims to the mosque for prayer. Kinda like an alarm clock to remind you to pray

Oh. Well in that case I see nothing wrong with that. It's not like you don't have church bells or bells in general

Exactly, but god forbid we muslims express our face in this christian centric world

[Gauthier]

But Islam should not be practiced in any form in the west.

Thanks for coming out as an authoritarian, Ostro. I'm sure the dominionists of the world appreciate it.

If a feminist demanded that Islam be banned in the West he'd start chanting "Allahu Akbar" out of reflex.

[New Grestin]

Christianity is an inherently oppressive and violent religion that has killed thousands of people throughout history and caused immense suffering towards Muslims and non-theists alike.

Notice how, when you replace Islam with a more widely accepted, yet just as generally abhorent religion, people will lose their minds?

Does any of this contradict the fact of Islam's violent nature and the high frequency of Islamic terrorism?

It means that people will rush their spears towards Islam, because it's the new modern equivalent of the Red Scare and Communism.

Where are the people going after Christian extremists? Why aren't we tearing down the halls of Scientology? How come Extremist Mormons aren't derided for their beliefs?

Muslims are treated like this because they're the flavor of the era. They're treated like shit because of the actions of extremists, which results in more extremists, which creates the viscous cycle we're all stuck in. Islam is not above criticism, but the way people are going at it with such fervor only causes more extremism, which only causes more issues for everyone.

[Ostroeuropa]

If the German people do not believe in religious rights for all, they are free to abandon their constitutional principles and every human rights treaty they've ever signed. I'm sure the international community will not bat an eye at it.

The Islamic faith is not without its problems, and some of them are ancient and deeply ingrained. These problems do have to be addressed, and a healthy reform must be encouraged.

However, caving into the far-right's hateful, paranoid rhetoric is not a solution. It's like trying to cure the flu with an autoimmune disease.

Much as I may dislike many of her policies, I do hope Merkel will continue to hold German xenophobia and religious prejudice at bay for the duration of the current crisis. History has provided human civilization with several examples of how giving power to far-right populism in a time of crisis, while understandable, is as myopic as it is irresponsible, and can have severe, long-lasting consequences.

I suspect it's a matter of enacting a few policies against Islam and rejecting the migrants, or allowing the far-right to continue to bolster in strength.
This is not a passing phase. What it has done is turn the far-right back into a political force by giving them a massive injection of foot soldiers, and legitimized their narrative. It has also made it far more difficult to socially ostracize them for their views, and means many of their members will come across as reasonable now that its a large mass of the public.
If tensions continue to worsen, and the public continues to be ignored, the far-right may well take power.
If there were going to be a genocide and paranoid first strikes against the Islamic world that'd be when. (I'm assuming this is the consequences you are refering to.)
It would be best for everyone to accept they simply aren't compatible with the west, and to give the majority of the public what they want in terms that will allow control of the process to remain with political moderates.
Even banning migration or placing a moratorium on it would probably be sufficient to defuse tensions.

[Kelinfort]

Islam is not what causes the violence in the middle east, it is the instability, the dictatorships and corruption. All of which can be traced back to various western backed schemes. Im american, and we've done some awful stuff. over thrown many democratic governments in the region. In times of instability religion and radicalism blossom.

Violent jihad have been part of Islam almost since its conception.

I can't think of any Christian kingdoms that waged war to expand their lands and religion.

[Gauthier]

Violent jihad have been part of Islam almost since its conception.

I can't think of any Christian kingdoms that waged war to expand their lands and religion.

Not a single blood was shed. They just sent out priests who sang "wololo" and that was that.

[Souseiseki]

About time the Germans realized that. Islam doesn't belong in Germany, nor anywhere else in Europe. The tenets and practices of that religion fundamentally contradict the European system of values, and cannot ever be conciled.

it wasn't until i remembered this post that i remembered the most destructive war in german history

lol

[Liriena]

Islam is not what causes the violence in the middle east, it is the instability, the dictatorships and corruption. All of which can be traced back to various western backed schemes. Im american, and we've done some awful stuff. over thrown many democratic governments in the region. In times of instability religion and radicalism blossom.

Violent jihad have been part of Islam almost since its conception.

Partially true, but the Islamic extremism we know today is quite different from the one seen during the Middle Ages. It is also, as a matter of fact, rather recent, and closely related to the colonial and post-colonial policies of the European powers in the region, as well as the American and Soviet policies during the Cold War. Let's not forget that most, if not all of the regimes in the Middle East, were at some point supported by NATO, and that the NATO-sponsored Saudi Arabia played a large role in the rise of contemporary Islamic extremism.

[Gauthier]

About time the Germans realized that. Islam doesn't belong in Germany, nor anywhere else in Europe. The tenets and practices of that religion fundamentally contradict the European system of values, and cannot ever be conciled.

it wasn't until i remembered this post that i remembered the most destructive war in german history

lol

Shouldn't be too long before someone calls for all the concentration camps to be recommissioned for Muslims.

[Salus Maior]

Violent jihad have been part of Islam almost since its conception.

I can't think of any Christian kingdoms that waged war to expand their lands and religion.

And that's still a problem?

[Jamzmania]

Violent jihad have been part of Islam almost since its conception.

I can't think of any Christian kingdoms that waged war to expand their lands and religion.

Was that commanded by Christ, however, and do they still do so to this day?

[Gauthier]

I can't think of any Christian kingdoms that waged war to expand their lands and religion.

Was that commanded by Christ, however, and do they still do so to this day?

We forgot Constantine converted to Islam.

[The Islands of Versilia]

Violent jihad have been part of Islam almost since its conception.

I can't think of any Christian kingdoms that waged war to expand their lands and religion.

The Crusades come to mind.

[New Grestin]

it wasn't until i remembered this post that i remembered the most destructive war in german history

lol

Shouldn't be too long before someone calls for all the concentration camps to be recommissioned for Muslims.

Re-Concentration camps, Gauth.

We're rebranding. It's what the kids do these days.

[Jamzmania]

Violent jihad have been part of Islam almost since its conception.

Partially true, but the Islamic extremism we know today is quite different from the one seen during the Middle Ages. It is also, as a matter of fact, rather recent, and closely related to the colonial and post-colonial policies of the European powers in the region, as well as the American and Soviet policies during the Cold War. Let's not forget that most, if not all of the regimes in the Middle East, were at some point supported by NATO, and that the NATO-sponsored Saudi Arabia played a large role in the rise of contemporary Islamic extremism.

Is NATO therefore responsible for the ideologies their allies hold and spread? Did they force Saudi Arabia to be Muslim fundamentalists?

[Salus Maior]

and that the NATO-sponsored Saudi Arabia played a large role in the rise of contemporary Islamic extremism.

This. The Sauds, and the rest of the Gulf states that we've been funding have been putting OUR OWN MONEY to use in spreading Wahabi ideology. We're shooting ourselves in the foot by continuing to buy from them.

[Ostroeuropa]

I can't think of any Christian kingdoms that waged war to expand their lands and religion.

The Crusades come to mind.

Baltic you've got a point. Any Pagan nations should feel free to be paranoid about Christians turning up en masse.

Holy land, that's a reclamation and an attempt to reverse territorial losses.

[Jamzmania]

Was that commanded by Christ, however, and do they still do so to this day?

We forgot Constantine converted to Islam.

That doesn't answer my question?

[Ashworth-Attwater]

Huh. The fact that this 60 percent claim is only being thrown around by the typical sleazy right wing media, and AfD has support from only 9% of the population according to recent polls, makes it all the more doubtful.

a neocon complaining about the right-wing media i've seen it all

[Salus Maior]

The Crusades come to mind.

And that happened over a thousand years ago. Hardly a modern issue.

We forgot Constantine converted to Islam.

....What?

[Kriga]

Just keep religion as separate from the state as possible. Damn..why do we have to start banning people.

Its no better than SJW's wanting to ban clapping in a college because it hurts their views....Right-Wing Hyprocisy. And no, i am not a leftist.

[Liriena]

If the German people do not believe in religious rights for all, they are free to abandon their constitutional principles and every human rights treaty they've ever signed. I'm sure the international community will not bat an eye at it.

The Islamic faith is not without its problems, and some of them are ancient and deeply ingrained. These problems do have to be addressed, and a healthy reform must be encouraged.

However, caving into the far-right's hateful, paranoid rhetoric is not a solution. It's like trying to cure the flu with an autoimmune disease.

Much as I may dislike many of her policies, I do hope Merkel will continue to hold German xenophobia and religious prejudice at bay for the duration of the current crisis. History has provided human civilization with several examples of how giving power to far-right populism in a time of crisis, while understandable, is as myopic as it is irresponsible, and can have severe, long-lasting consequences.

I suspect it's a matter of enacting a few policies against Islam and rejecting the migrants, or allowing the far-right to continue to bolster in strength.
This is not a passing phase. What it has done is turn the far-right back into a political force by giving them a massive injection of foot soldiers, and legitimized their narrative. It has also made it far more difficult to socially ostracize them for their views, and means many of their members will come across as reasonable now that its a large mass of the public.
If tensions continue to worsen, and the public continues to be ignored, the far-right may well take power.
If there were going to be a genocide and paranoid first strikes against the Islamic world that'd be when. (I'm assuming this is the consequences you are refering to.)
It would be best for everyone to accept they simply aren't compatible with the west, and to give the majority of the public what they want in terms that will allow control of the process to remain with political moderates.
Even banning migration or placing a moratorium on it would probably be sufficient to defuse tensions.

Merkel has already stiffened her policies on immigrants and asylum seekers, but if you expect her to go full-Trump, you are barking at the wrong tree. Merkel, unlike many of her European peers, understands her country's legal obligations when it comes to refugees. She can't simply close the borders to people who are fleeing from a devastating war and a brutal regime, specially if said people, as far as I know, have not been involved in any major incidents within Germany, other than being the target of far-right terrorism.