60% of Germans - Islam Does Not Belong In Germany.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's very concerning that people believe this. Irrationality.

Why? The only thing against it is axiomatic. If you don't accept the axiom, then that's that.

Freedom of religion was only necessary to keep the religious from killing eachother.
Now that states are drifting toward significant atheist populations, we can do away with it and only tolerate religions that are compatible with our society.

There is no "Freedom of business." and religions are just a business, in the end.
I'm happy with people to believe whatever they like.

But no mosques.
No call to prayers.
No hijabs.
No circumcision.

etc.

You can believe in Islam. You can even argue for it, provided you manage to avoid hate speech.
But Islam should not be practiced in any form in the west.

[Jamzmania]

It's very concerning that people believe this. Irrationality.

Islam is an inherently oppressive and violent religion that produces large numbers of terrorists. What exactly is irrational about not believing this religious-political ideology belongs in your country?

You can disagree with their position, but it is certainly not irrational.

[Utilitarian Garibaldi]

It's very concerning that people believe this. Irrationality.

Why? The only thing against it is axiomatic. If you don't accept the axiom, then that's that.

Freedom of religion was only necessary to keep the religious from killing eachother.
Now that states are drifting toward significant atheist populations, we can do away with it and only tolerate religions that are compatible with our society.

There is no "Freedom of business." and religions are just a business, in the end.
I'm happy with people to believe whatever they like.

But no mosques.
No call to prayers.
No hijabs.
No circumcision.

etc.

You can believe in Islam. You can even argue for it, provided you manage to avoid hate speech.
But Islam should not be practiced in any form in the west.

Sounds like you could learn from Todor Zhivkov's attempts to assimilate Muslims in Bulgaria.

[Vassenor]

Islam is an inherently oppressive and violent religion

So is Christianity really.

[Jamzmania]

It's very concerning that people believe this. Irrationality.

Why? The only thing against it is axiomatic. If you don't accept the axiom, then that's that.

Freedom of religion was only necessary to keep the religious from killing eachother.
Now that states are drifting toward significant atheist populations, we can do away with it and only tolerate religions that are compatible with our society.

There is no "Freedom of business." and religions are just a business, in the end.
I'm happy with people to believe whatever they like.

But no mosques.
No call to prayers.
No hijabs.
No circumcision.

etc.

You can believe in Islam. You can even argue for it, provided you manage to avoid hate speech.
But Islam should not be practiced in any form in the west.

Muslims who are already in the Weat should be free to practice their religion within the extent of the law, including having mosques or whatever other reasonable accommodations.

As to bringing in more Muslims from the East however... preferably not.

[Zeinbrad]

It's very concerning that people believe this. Irrationality.

Islam is an inherently oppressive and violent religion that produces large numbers of terrorists. What exactly is irrational about not believing this religious-political ideology belongs in your country?

You can disagree with their position, but it is certainly not irrational.

Cause it's the wrong path to take, only causing more conflict and basically throwing fuel into the fire.

[New Grestin]

It's very concerning that people believe this. Irrationality.

Islam is an inherently oppressive and violent religion that produces large numbers of terrorists. What exactly is irrational about not believing this religious-political ideology belongs in your country?

You can disagree with their position, but it is certainly not irrational.

Christianity is an inherently oppressive and violent religion that has killed thousands of people throughout history and caused immense suffering towards Muslims and non-theists alike.

Notice how, when you replace Islam with a more widely accepted, yet just as generally abhorent religion, people will lose their minds?

[Zeinbrad]

It's very concerning that people believe this. Irrationality.

Why? The only thing against it is axiomatic. If you don't accept the axiom, then that's that.

Freedom of religion was only necessary to keep the religious from killing eachother.
Now that states are drifting toward significant atheist populations, we can do away with it and only tolerate religions that are compatible with our society.

There is no "Freedom of business." and religions are just a business, in the end.
I'm happy with people to believe whatever they like.

But no mosques.
No call to prayers.
No hijabs.
No circumcision.

etc.

You can believe in Islam. You can even argue for it, provided you manage to avoid hate speech.
But Islam should not be practiced in any form in the west.

Not even close to correct.

You can have a religious business, yes. You can sell Jesus figures at your store. But that does not make religion a business. Religion is more physiologically and intellectual than business.

[Jamzmania]

Islam is an inherently oppressive and violent religion

So is Christianity really.

Despite my disagreement with that statement, that is not what we are discussing.

[Ostroeuropa]

Why? The only thing against it is axiomatic. If you don't accept the axiom, then that's that.

Freedom of religion was only necessary to keep the religious from killing eachother.
Now that states are drifting toward significant atheist populations, we can do away with it and only tolerate religions that are compatible with our society.

There is no "Freedom of business." and religions are just a business, in the end.
I'm happy with people to believe whatever they like.

But no mosques.
No call to prayers.
No hijabs.
No circumcision.

etc.

You can believe in Islam. You can even argue for it, provided you manage to avoid hate speech.
But Islam should not be practiced in any form in the west.

Not even close to correct.

You can have a religious business, yes. You can sell Jesus figures at your store. But that does not make religion a business. Religion is more physiologically and intellectual than business.

Organized religion then.

[Zeinbrad]

Not even close to correct.

You can have a religious business, yes. You can sell Jesus figures at your store. But that does not make religion a business. Religion is more physiologically and intellectual than business.

Organized religion then.

Hmm? Sorry, my mind is groggy.

[Jamzmania]

Islam is an inherently oppressive and violent religion that produces large numbers of terrorists. What exactly is irrational about not believing this religious-political ideology belongs in your country?

You can disagree with their position, but it is certainly not irrational.

Christianity is an inherently oppressive and violent religion that has killed thousands of people throughout history and caused immense suffering towards Muslims and non-theists alike.

Notice how, when you replace Islam with a more widely accepted, yet just as generally abhorent religion, people will lose their minds?

Does any of this contradict the fact of Islam's violent nature and the high frequency of Islamic terrorism?

[Vassenor]

Christianity is an inherently oppressive and violent religion that has killed thousands of people throughout history and caused immense suffering towards Muslims and non-theists alike.

Notice how, when you replace Islam with a more widely accepted, yet just as generally abhorent religion, people will lose their minds?

Does any of this contradict the fact of Islam's violent nature and the high frequency of Islamic terrorism?

It means there's a double standard because no-one is demanding Christianity be outlawed.

[Acarn]

Christianity is an inherently oppressive and violent religion that has killed thousands of people throughout history and caused immense suffering towards Muslims and non-theists alike.

Notice how, when you replace Islam with a more widely accepted, yet just as generally abhorent religion, people will lose their minds?

Does any of this contradict the fact of Islam's violent nature and the high frequency of Islamic terrorism?

Islam is not what causes the violence in the middle east, it is the instability, the dictatorships and corruption. All of which can be traced back to various western backed schemes. Im american, and we've done some awful stuff. over thrown many democratic governments in the region. In times of instability religion and radicalism blossom.

[Ostroeuropa]

Does any of this contradict the fact of Islam's violent nature and the high frequency of Islamic terrorism?

It means there's a double standard because no-one is demanding Christianity be outlawed.

Christianity isn't comparably hostile to western society.
We don't make it illegal to work for German intelligence services.

Now the north korean service on the other hand...

[West-East Timor]

UKIP doesn't poll at nearly 50%, but nonetheless. Also, the most recent polls are at 15% and rising for AFD.

Not according to Spiegel.

http://m.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-965159.html

But according to Focus Online. It's german, so I don't think you'll understand it, but here it is:
http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/ard-deutschlandtrend-umfrage-schock-die-afd-liegt-nur-noch-fuenf-prozent-hinter-der-spd_id_5502013.html

[Val Halla]

It's very concerning that people believe this. Irrationality.

Why? The only thing against it is axiomatic. If you don't accept the axiom, then that's that.

Freedom of religion was only necessary to keep the religious from killing eachother.
Now that states are drifting toward significant atheist populations, we can do away with it and only tolerate religions that are compatible with our society.

There is no "Freedom of business." and religions are just a business, in the end.
I'm happy with people to believe whatever they like.

But no mosques.
No call to prayers.
No hijabs.
No circumcision.

etc.

You can believe in Islam. You can even argue for it, provided you manage to avoid hate speech.
But Islam should not be practiced in any form in the west.

Hijabs are fine because it's part of expression. Should we also ban wearing hats and sunglasses, or long coats?

Mosques are fine. It's a building what harm is that?

Call to prayer idk what that is. So...

I can agree with circumcision because it's... Well, its circumcision.

You're saying that you can believe something but you can't engage in it? To me that's like saying you can like a TV show, but you can't get the merchandise or talk about it at work/school

[Jamzmania]

Does any of this contradict the fact of Islam's violent nature and the high frequency of Islamic terrorism?

It means there's a double standard because no-one is demanding Christianity be outlawed.

Considering Christianity is already the dominant religion and we do not have these same problems with Christians (except for some rare examples which I'm sure will be touted), so the analogy is silly.

[Tokuopolis]

Freedom of Religion is a human right.

So too should be a people's ability to preserve its National and historical identity.

Muslims have been in Germany since the 1960s. They're as much a part of Germany's history as the Berlin Wall or David Bowie.

http://www.euro-islam.info/country-profiles/germany/

Having Muslims in Germany, and acknowledging that they exist, does not make Germany any less German. German Muslims are still German, and likely admire and learn about German history as well as Islamic history. Learning about and respecting people of other cultures and religions doesn't make you any more or less of a person of your own culture.

[Gauthier]

I had no idea Islam was such a feminist religion.

[Liriena]

If the German people do not believe in religious rights for all, they are free to abandon their constitutional principles and every human rights treaty they've ever signed. I'm sure the international community will not bat an eye at it.

The Islamic faith is not without its problems, and some of them are ancient and deeply ingrained. These problems do have to be addressed, and a healthy reform must be encouraged.

However, caving into the far-right's hateful, paranoid rhetoric is not a solution. It's like trying to cure the flu with an autoimmune disease.

Much as I may dislike many of her policies, I do hope Merkel will continue to hold German xenophobia and religious prejudice at bay for the duration of the current crisis. History has provided human civilization with several examples of how giving power to far-right populism in a time of crisis, while understandable, is as myopic as it is irresponsible, and can have severe, long-lasting consequences.

[The Islands of Versilia]

No Abrahamic religion 'belongs' anywhere apart from the Middle-East. Celtic and other European religions belong in Europe and Slavic folk (and Slav religions) belong in Slavic nations. Religion does not 'belong' anywhere but the place it's from.
(NOTE: I don't have the intention to offend and harbour little ill will towards those of the Abrahamic religions)

[Acarn]

Call to prayer idk what that is. So...

The call to prayer, the Adhan, calls Muslims to the mosque for prayer. Kinda like an alarm clock to remind you to pray

[Kelinfort]

I had no idea Islam was such a feminist religion.

Damn dirty Neoliberal SJW Feminist Muslims!

[Val Halla]

Call to prayer idk what that is. So...

The call to prayer, the Adhan, calls Muslims to the mosque for prayer. Kinda like an alarm clock to remind you to pray

Oh. Well in that case I see nothing wrong with that. It's not like you don't have church bells or bells in general