US General Election Megathread: Trump vs Clinton

[USS Monitor]

People in the intelligence community were already saying it was a load of shit, and there were a few articles debunking it. It wasn't really that hard to find out if you were paying attention and not blindly accepting every word that came out of Bush's mouth.

I'd like to see some sources for that. I'm not saying it wasn't there necessarily, so much as I don't remember it that way at all. I don't remember the first doubts coming in until after the mission was supposedly accomplished, heh.

I don't know if I'm going to be able to track down articles that I read 14 years ago... I'll poke around a little, but can't make any promises.

[Flowrisa]

There's a high chance that if Donald is elected president, all US allies will leave NATO.

[USS Monitor]

Preemption and crimes against peace are different names for the same thing, and that's what I think Hillary deserves to be tried for -- along with a lot of other people in the US political establishment.

War crimes are a different thing, and not applicable to people like Hillary who weren't involved beyond authorizing the war.

To be honest I'd probably have a lot of sympathy for that position myself, I just tend to have less ire for the people being lied to than the people doing the lying.

I'd be more inclined to see it the same way if Americans weren't so quick to condemn people in other countries that got sucked into the service of terrible governments like the Soviet Union or 3rd Reich. I just want the US to live up to its own standards.

[Washington Resistance Army]

There's a high chance that if Donald is elected president, all US allies will leave NATO.

Good, maybe then they'd actually start paying for their own national defense and stop freeloading

[Kelinfort]

There's a high chance that if Donald is elected president, all US allies will leave NATO.

Good, maybe then they'd actually start paying for their own national defense and stop freeloading

There are ways to push for that without losing a lot of geopolitical power.

[USS Monitor]

Good, maybe then they'd actually start paying for their own national defense and stop freeloading

There are ways to push for that without losing a lot of geopolitical power.

Step one: Don't elect Trump.

[Saiwania]

There's a high chance that if Donald is elected president, all US allies will leave NATO.

I don't think these countries would be going anywhere because that might leave them vulnerable to Russia. With or without the US being willing to intervene, they'd rather have military backing from the rest of the alliance if push came to shove. Donald Trump if elected, would likely only be in for 1 term. So it wouldn't be the end of the world.

[Infected Mushroom]

There are ways to push for that without losing a lot of geopolitical power.

Step one: Don't elect Trump.

So...

continue to support the Clinton Dynasty?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Step one: Don't elect Trump.

So...

continue to support the Clinton Dynasty?

Of course not.

Vote Gary Johnson.

[Maurepas]

Step one: Don't elect Trump.

So...

continue to support the Clinton Dynasty?

Better than Trump by default. Because anything is better than Trump. Vermin Supreme is better than Trump.

[Infected Mushroom]

So...

continue to support the Clinton Dynasty?

Of course not.

Vote Gary Johnson.

Trump is the most realistic option if you want to throw a wrench into the establishment; honestly, given this massive era of machine politicians... I think its a Necessary

[Kelinfort]

Step one: Don't elect Trump.

So...

continue to support the Clinton Dynasty?

Will people please stop using the word dynasty in American politics? This isn't to say Clinton is good, but I mean it's a really lazy argument.

[The balkens]

So...

continue to support the Clinton Dynasty?

Will people please stop using the word dynasty in American politics? This isn't to say Clinton is good, but I mean it's a really lazy argument.

Er...

House Clinton?

[USS Monitor]

Step one: Don't elect Trump.

So...

continue to support the Clinton Dynasty?

Or feel the Johnson. In the kinkiest way possible.

[USS Monitor]

So...

continue to support the Clinton Dynasty?

Better than Trump by default. Because anything is better than Trump. Vermin Supreme is better than Trump.

Vermin Supreme is pretty cool, actually.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So...

continue to support the Clinton Dynasty?

Or feel the Johnson. In the kinkiest way possible.

Don't worry Monitor, now that he got the nomination the Johnson will really rise.

[USS Monitor]

Of course not.

Vote Gary Johnson.

Trump is the most realistic option if you want to throw a wrench into the establishment; honestly, given this massive era of machine politicians... I think its a Necessary

Trump is part of the problem with corruption and money in politics, though.

[Maurepas]

Better than Trump by default. Because anything is better than Trump. Vermin Supreme is better than Trump.

Vermin Supreme is pretty cool, actually.

I think he's pretty cool too, but I'm just saying even a guy who is literally an anti-candidate is a better option than Trump.

[Kelinfort]

Of course not.

Vote Gary Johnson.

Trump is the most realistic option if you want to throw a wrench into the establishment; honestly, given this massive era of machine politicians... I think its a Necessary

You've never heard of the Gilded age have you?

[USS Monitor]

Vermin Supreme is pretty cool, actually.

I think he's pretty cool too, but I'm just saying even a guy who is literally an anti-candidate is a better option than Trump.

Maybe one day we should actually elect him and see if he keeps his promise about the ponies.

[Maurepas]

I think he's pretty cool too, but I'm just saying even a guy who is literally an anti-candidate is a better option than Trump.

Maybe one day we should actually elect him and see if he keeps his promise about the ponies.

I'd want an opt-out clause though because I'm not entirely sure I'm equipped to properly care for a pony,

[Kelinfort]

Will people please stop using the word dynasty in American politics? This isn't to say Clinton is good, but I mean it's a really lazy argument.

Er...

House Clinton?

There was never a House Wallace, so I don't see why.

[Saiwania]

You've never heard of the Gilded age have you?

The greatest period in all of American history, even if it was hell for blue collar workers.

[Kelinfort]

You've never heard of the Gilded age have you?

The greatest period in all of American history, even if it was hell for blue collar workers.

And an era of widespread immigration.

So much for populism.

[AiliailiA]

There's a high chance that if Donald is elected president, all US allies will leave NATO.

I don't think these countries would be going anywhere because that might leave them vulnerable to Russia. With or without the US being willing to intervene, they'd rather have military backing from the rest of the alliance if push came to shove. Donald Trump if elected, would likely only be in for 1 term.

Because he'd be crap? Or because he's old?