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Which of the following would you prefer to be the next leader of the Conservative Party?

Andrea Leadsom
27
18%
Liam Fox
7
5%
Michael Gove
17
11%
Stephen Crabb
6
4%
Theresa May
38
25%
Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz
57
38%
 
Total votes : 152

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue May 10, 2016 11:40 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:The British Empire was one of the most efficient killing machines in the world. God save the queen...


So you've never heard of the Nazis, or the Belgian empire, or Rwanda.....there are many others.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue May 10, 2016 11:41 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:The British Empire was one of the most efficient killing machines in the world. God save the queen...


So you've never heard of the Nazis, or the Belgian empire, or Rwanda.....there are many others.

Rwanda wasn't efficient. Nor was the Belgian empire.

Not to mention, none of this invalidates "one of".
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Postby Lamadia » Tue May 10, 2016 11:41 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Lamadia wrote:My boyfriend has. Me? Certainly not.

This is why my posts to you will come across as aggressive (mostly because they are).

You hold all these ideals, that have been fed to you by your surroundings and your family, yet you keep admitting that you've never had to live any of those ideals, or follow the advice you mete out.
You just have your opinion, it's right because it's yours, and everyone who that opinion applies to can get fucked and march in lockstep.
It's an attitude I find astounding, and it sums up everything I despise about stereotypical people with wealthy backgrounds.

Because Moctina, you are a stereotype.
Please don't be a stereotype.

I am not a stereotype!
If somebody hit me, I would hit them back. But girls don't fight. As for any of these other ideals, I have no idea what your are talking about, or how I could practice the ones I don't current. Likewise, I always take my own advice. That is the point of it.
Agree with absolutly everything youve just said, my dad teaches me to hate those people.

Thankfully, I do not have to deal with unnecessary hatred from the father of a boy I do not know.
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Postby Conscentia » Tue May 10, 2016 11:41 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Conscentia wrote:1. Those weapons are highly secured, and the point of having nukes is to be so scary as to never need to use them.
2. Would would get to elect who gets rifles? No.

The police, just like they do now?

The police have access to firearms for a reason.

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Postby Rufford » Tue May 10, 2016 11:41 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:The British Empire was one of the most efficient killing machines in the world. God save the queen...


So you've never heard of the Nazis, or the Belgian empire, or Rwanda.....there are many others.

The mongolian empire, communism.
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Postby Questers » Tue May 10, 2016 11:41 am

The British Empire was an extremely efficient killing machine. It leveled Nazi Germany for a start. Turned its glorious cities into literal rubble.
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Postby Questers » Tue May 10, 2016 11:42 am

Conscentia wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:The police, just like they do now?

The police have access to firearms for a reason.

The police vet everyone applying for a firearm. I'm not against that. I just think if someone can own a bolt action rifle they should be able to own a semi automatic one too.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue May 10, 2016 11:42 am

'Girls don't fight'

Tell that to the female MMA fighters.

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue May 10, 2016 11:42 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:The British Empire was one of the most efficient killing machines in the world. God save the queen...


So you've never heard of the Nazis, or the Belgian empire, or Rwanda.....there are many others.


Hence i said, "one of." Although I don't think the Belgians were very efficient.
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Postby Questers » Tue May 10, 2016 11:43 am

samoz got a lucrative private sector job so he isnt coming to sandhurst with me :<
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue May 10, 2016 11:43 am

Lamadia wrote:But girls don't fight.


Lamadia wrote:I am not a stereotype!
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Postby Rufford » Tue May 10, 2016 11:43 am

Napkiraly wrote:'Girls don't fight'

Tell that to the female MMA fighters.

Now that is a hard sport. back in a bit.
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Postby Conscentia » Tue May 10, 2016 11:44 am

Lamadia wrote:I am not a stereotype!
If somebody hit me, I would hit them back. But girls don't fight. As for any of these other ideals, I have no idea what your are talking about, or how I could practice the ones I don't current. Likewise, I always take my own advice. That is the point of it.

Sexist rubbish.

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Postby Napkiraly » Tue May 10, 2016 11:44 am

Questers wrote:The British Empire was an extremely efficient killing machine. It leveled Nazi Germany for a start. Turned its glorious cities into literal rubble.

Not to mention the conquest of India.

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Postby Questers » Tue May 10, 2016 11:44 am

Girls shouldn't fight. Come on.

There are a lot of good old fashioned values that we threw out because some of the other old fashioned ones were bad.
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Postby Questers » Tue May 10, 2016 11:45 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Questers wrote:The British Empire was an extremely efficient killing machine. It leveled Nazi Germany for a start. Turned its glorious cities into literal rubble.

Not to mention the conquest of India.
It pales in comparison to the annihilation of whole industrialised cities in one night.

The Germans got what was coming to them.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue May 10, 2016 11:45 am

Questers wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Not to mention the conquest of India.
It pales in comparison to the annihilation of whole industrialised cities in one night.

Fair

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Postby Souseiseki » Tue May 10, 2016 11:45 am

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Souseiseki wrote:i was convinced war was cool and human rights were holding us back in school and now everytime someone holds those views i can't help but think of them as having views i had when i was a kid

i have become old and rather ageist

thanks to the iraq war for making my cynical before i was even a teenager

honestly war isn't cool. it's really sad. my granddad saw his best friend die in front of his eyes and never talked about the war and when he became nuts he would start repeating war stories and forgetting his own family members.

that doesn't mean that his collection of wartime medals aren't my most treasured collection, however. because i am mixed race and the nazis would have gassed me and i have been in their gas chambers in real life (its actually really creepy irl). but also more than that because to me they represent a sacrifice made, one that nobody really wanted to make but had to anyway, for a whole collection of principles that i also think are more important than my own life, if i had to choose.

war is bad. horrific. awful. but it is sometimes better than the alternative.


i've always been kinda annoyed i don't know much about my family and have no idea what if anything any of them did during any war

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Postby Lamadia » Tue May 10, 2016 11:46 am

Questers wrote:Girls shouldn't fight. Come on.

There are a lot of good old fashioned values that we threw out because some of the other old fashioned ones were bad.

Girls shouldn't be punching or pulling each other's hair in the playground, no.
It isn't sexist! If a girl wants to pursue a career in professional boxing, then good luck to them, but fighting in a playground? When have girls ever done that?
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue May 10, 2016 11:46 am

Questers wrote:Girls shouldn't fight. Come on.

There are a lot of good old fashioned values that we threw out because some of the other old fashioned ones were bad.


explain in 100 words or less why having a vagina should affect whether or not you fight
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue May 10, 2016 11:46 am

Lamadia wrote:
Questers wrote:Girls shouldn't fight. Come on.

There are a lot of good old fashioned values that we threw out because some of the other old fashioned ones were bad.

Girls shouldn't be punching or pulling each other's hair in the playground, no.
It isn't sexist! If a girl wants to pursue a career in professional boxing, then good luck to them, but fighting in a playground? When have girls ever done that?


it's not sexist it's just completely different standards based entirely on sex
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Postby Questers » Tue May 10, 2016 11:46 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Questers wrote:honestly war isn't cool. it's really sad. my granddad saw his best friend die in front of his eyes and never talked about the war and when he became nuts he would start repeating war stories and forgetting his own family members.

that doesn't mean that his collection of wartime medals aren't my most treasured collection, however. because i am mixed race and the nazis would have gassed me and i have been in their gas chambers in real life (its actually really creepy irl). but also more than that because to me they represent a sacrifice made, one that nobody really wanted to make but had to anyway, for a whole collection of principles that i also think are more important than my own life, if i had to choose.

war is bad. horrific. awful. but it is sometimes better than the alternative.


i've always been kinda annoyed i don't know much about my family and have no idea what if anything any of them did during any war

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Postby Napkiraly » Tue May 10, 2016 11:47 am

Lamadia wrote:
Questers wrote:Girls shouldn't fight. Come on.

There are a lot of good old fashioned values that we threw out because some of the other old fashioned ones were bad.

Girls shouldn't be punching or pulling each other's hair in the playground, no.
It isn't sexist! If a girl wants to pursue a career in professional boxing, then good luck to them, but fighting in a playground? When have girls ever done that?

Often?

The girls at my school used to get into scraps quite a bit. Usually over some dumb prick.

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Postby Questers » Tue May 10, 2016 11:47 am

Conscentia wrote:
Questers wrote:Girls shouldn't fight. Come on.
There are a lot of good old fashioned values that we threw out because some of the other old fashioned ones were bad.

If boys are allowed to fight, then why not girls?
It is not the done thing.

I am 100% sincere about that btw.

some of our societal standards which were good have been washed away by liberalism.
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