by Crusader occupied mecca » Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:41 pm
by Radiatia » Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:46 pm
by Vassenor » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:11 am
by The Grim Reaper » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:48 am
Vassenor wrote:Yes, how dare we consider a time when we rampaged across the world killing anyone who wouldn't follow our religious beliefs to be a bad thing.
by Indo-Malaysia » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:15 am
by Calimera II » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:21 am
by Wolfmanne2 » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:58 am
Mad hatters in jeans wrote:Yeah precipitating on everyone doesn't go down well usually. You seem patient enough to chat to us, i'm willing to count that as nice.
by Krasny-Volny » Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:54 am
by Internationalist Bastard » Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:16 am
by Kelinfort » Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:18 am
by Risottia » Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:47 am
Vassenor wrote:Yes, how dare we consider a time when we rampaged across the world killing anyone who wouldn't follow our religious beliefs to be a bad thing.
by Sanctissima » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:23 am
Risottia wrote:Vassenor wrote:Yes, how dare we consider a time when we rampaged across the world killing anyone who wouldn't follow our religious beliefs to be a bad thing.
Religious beliefs?
Who cared about religious beliefs?
I don't recall the Spaniards or the Austrians deciding not to colonize Milan because the Milanese were Catholic just like them.
Neither did the fact that Ethiopia was Christian prevent Italy from colonizing it.
Religion mattered not. Money did.
by Crusader occupied mecca » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:27 am
The Grim Reaper wrote:Vassenor wrote:Yes, how dare we consider a time when we rampaged across the world killing anyone who wouldn't follow our religious beliefs to be a bad thing.
This is just more irrelevant ranting against theoretical frameworks that have been adopted as an underpinning gloss for huge swathes of the developing world by people who would rather look like victims without also having to be, say, destitute on a global scale because their nation is ruled by an ethnic majority placed into power by Western maps and Western arms.
And, of course, the African Empires are /just/ as bad as, say, the Belgian rule in the Congo, or the Spanish Empire in South America, or the French attempts to hold Indochina into the Cold War.
Fanon (the Godfather of the postcolonialist theoretical framework) was a theorist of decolonization, not a historiographer of the process of colonialism. Postcolonialism is a theory that deals with "what is after colonialism" - it discusses the processes of colonialism in so much as it attempts to define the systems which cease to exist during the creation of new government structures. It does not argue that these processes are any worse or any better than anything else that existed prior. OP and Radiata seem to be under the presumption that postcolonialism boils down to "black man good white man bad".
Perhaps it's because it's terribly fun to assume that black people need to contribute political theories that "help and blame everyone equally!" when they were likely born in communities that really fucking suck compared to the white communities these theories tend to be developed. Of course Fanon doesn't blame the Algerian blacks for their poverty - he's a Marxist. The nature of power is as a one-way power relationship based on economic control - black people /don't/ have power in a Marxist world view, because they've lost it through the process of French colonialist economic control in Algeria.
(I'm referring to black French-Algerians because that was Fanon's background)
Postcolonialism doesn't compare the Islamic Empires to the Western Empires because it's entirely irrelevant to the people who were reading Fanon's work. He /lived/ in French-occupied Algeria. And if the Muslims happen to occupy Europe, as is the resounding fear OP tends to reflect in his posts, I'm sure Fanon will be more than happy to lend you the Wretched of the Earth.
by The Princes of the Universe » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:32 am
by Teemant » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:38 am
Kelinfort wrote:Man if many universe theory is proven correct, I'd love to see a universe where Nigeria colonized the UK.
In the long run, the fact that Europe got lucky here and now isn't really a sign of superiority.
Vassenor wrote:Yes, how dare we consider a time when we rampaged across the world killing anyone who wouldn't follow our religious beliefs to be a bad thing.
by The New Sea Territory » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:39 am
Crusader occupied mecca wrote:Seems like post colonialism is just a celebration of failure : failed cultures, failed imperialism, failed societies. Is this because they want to infect the west with values that lead to failure or can they just not have any good or successful thoughts?
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by Farnhamia » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:45 am
Crusader occupied mecca wrote:Many nations are demonized for their imperial pasts. However the third world and their dupes elsewhere are the ones doing the demonizing, so you know that something doesn't add up. And sure enough the critics themselves used to be the big bullies until only the last few centuries and sometimes even longer. For example Islamic societies were quiet happy with aggressive self serving military expansion and the subjugation of other societies until they started losing at their own game. How can the post colonial critique of the west have any credibility when it is pushed by the biggest hypocrites?
Seems like post colonialism is just a celebration of failure : failed cultures, failed imperialism, failed societies. Is this because they want to infect the west with values that lead to failure or can they just not have any good or successful thoughts?
My opinion is both.
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