The Taliban's Strong in Afghanistan Again

[Arumbia67]

Gee It's almost like it wasn't worth going in it all.

Things are still much better in Afganistan then they were under the Taliban's rule. However we did not go into Afganistan for human rights. We went in because we had no choice.

What happens in Afghanistan isn't our problem. We aren't the world police.

[Novus America]

Things are still much better in Afganistan then they were under the Taliban's rule. However we did not go into Afganistan for human rights. We went in because we had no choice.

What happens in Afghanistan isn't our problem. We aren't the world police.

But what happens in New York is our problem. Hence why we got involved in Afganistan.

[UED]

Gee It's almost like it wasn't worth going in it all.

Things are still much better in Afganistan then they were under the Taliban's rule. However we did not go into Afganistan for human rights. We went in because we had no choice.

^^^
We needed to response in some form against Al-Qaeda. To right the wrong but also to defend our reputation.

[Freefall11111]

Things are still much better in Afganistan then they were under the Taliban's rule. However we did not go into Afganistan for human rights. We went in because we had no choice.

What happens in Afghanistan isn't our problem. We aren't the world police.

Except you basically are.

[Seraven]

Things are still much better in Afganistan then they were under the Taliban's rule. However we did not go into Afganistan for human rights. We went in because we had no choice.

What happens in Afghanistan isn't our problem. We aren't the world police.

Except it is your problem since the second you decided to supplied the Mujahideen with logistics and military support.

And yes, United States of America kind of acting like world police because you have the means and resources to be one.

[Dooom35796821595]

Things are still much better in Afganistan then they were under the Taliban's rule. However we did not go into Afganistan for human rights. We went in because we had no choice.

^^^
We needed to response in some form against Al-Qaeda. To right the wrong but also to defend our reputation.

Yeah, too bad you started by invading the wrong country. America held the worlds sympathy that day, they could have done a lot of good, instead they wasted it on war and team Americanism.

[Novus America]

What happens in Afghanistan isn't our problem. We aren't the world police.

Except it is your problem since the second you decided to supplied the Mujahideen with logistics and military support.

And yes, United States of America kind of acting like world police because you have the means and resources to be one.

Again the Taliban is not the Mujahideen. Many of those fighting the Taliban are former Mujahideen, and many Taliban were never Mujahideen. The Mujahideen were are very diverse group. The Taliban are not diverse at all.

And the US no longer has the means or resources to be world's police anymore. We are a not what we used to be. We need to get our own house in order first. But in the case of Afghanistan it is not world's police, it is simply self defense. If it were not for 9-11 we would have kept ignoring Afghanistan.

[Novus America]

^^^
We needed to response in some form against Al-Qaeda. To right the wrong but also to defend our reputation.

Yeah, too bad you started by invading the wrong country. America held the worlds sympathy that day, they could have done a lot of good, instead they wasted it on war and team Americanism.

Umm your chronology is off. We started by invading the right country. We invaded the wrong country a few years later.

[Dooom35796821595]

Yeah, too bad you started by invading the wrong country. America held the worlds sympathy that day, they could have done a lot of good, instead they wasted it on war and team Americanism.

Umm your chronology is off. We started by invading the right country. We invaded the wrong country a few years later.

Oh yeah...I am really bad with historic timelines.

[Aryavartha]

Umm your chronology is off. We started by invading the right country. We invaded the wrong country a few years later.

well, it did not start it right. It allied with the wrong country.

[Novus America]

Umm your chronology is off. We started by invading the right country. We invaded the wrong country a few years later.

well, it did not start it right. It allied with the wrong country.

Well as much as I dislike the government of Pakistan, geography forces our hand in this case. Pakistan controls Afganistan's sea access.

[Islamic emriate of afghanistan]

The mujahedeen liberated Afghanistan from the Russians and their puppets in 80's and now mujahedeen will do the same with the Americans and their puppets.

[Behran]

The mujahedeen liberated Afghanistan from the Russians and their puppets in 80's and now mujahedeen will do the same with the Americans and their puppets.

Wait until Shiite mujahedeen which is the real mujahedeen come and slaughter your terrorist friends and their Saudi, American and Zionist puppet masters.

[Tule]

The Taliban are practically an extension of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence.

They will remain strong in Afghanistan as long as Pakistani intelligence continues to prop them up.

The US needs to put Pakistan over its knee and give it a good and proper paddling.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Thanks Obama. No literally thanks Obama.

In the case of pulling out, once again the Democrats wanted to leave long before the job was finished. It should be no wonder that this turned into a Vietnam.
If you start a war, you stay in until the dust settles and then you stay a bit longer till you're sure the enemy is dead. Pulling out long before you finish is no good for anyone.

Funnny thing though, US-Vietnamese relations are pretty good these days, Hilton even set-up a (real) luxury-hotel in Hanoi.

But the reason for that is the power-vacume left behind caused Cambodian-Vietnamese relations to go bad, which caused China to get a bit trigger-happy and invade, pretty much ruining the idea of a monolithic communist-superblock... effectively containing that can of worms in favor of a compartmentalized cluster of ideologies that fought amongst themselves.

The buildup of war material also had the fringe-benefit of preventing Vietnam from becoming "China's second Tibet", albeit in the bloody expense of a rapidly escalated war. Soviet-Russian support for Vietnam continued, but due to economic crisis of 1984, and the turmoil of the 1993 shelling of the parliament of the supreme soviet... that avenue of funding quickly withered and died.

But yeah, I get your point, even though your comparison appears flawed. Vietnam was more like Iraq... if Iran and Syria had decided to invade... followed by Turkey and maybe a smattering of Russian tourists with T-90Ms. Followed by America invading briefly Israel by mistake for 35 hours because 1960's military-intellegence.

So yeah, track record:
America lets the UN-burocracy fight war in Korea using their assets = Bloody stalemate forever-war that nobody really wanted.
America fights a war in Vietnam (and Cambodia, other regions incl.) = US-Vietnam relations good
America helps Afghanis repulse soviet invasion = US-Afghan relations all time low

Not pictured: sanctions up the butt to the eyeballs.

Edit: Hi Ralk!

[Novus America]

The Taliban are practically an extension of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence.

They will remain strong in Afghanistan as long as Pakistani intelligence continues to prop them up.

The US needs to put Pakistan over its knee and give it a good and proper paddling.

Well they kind of have us stuck. We need them in Afganistan, but at the same time the both help us and hurt us there. We could punish Pakistan, but then the Taliban wins in Afghanistan. We can not punish Pakistan, and they both help us and hurt us at the same time. It is a higly delicate situation. Especially as Pakistan has a divided unstable mess of a government. The ISI (Pakistani Intel) is a state within a state and largely free of any oversight and control by the government.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

The Taliban are practically an extension of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence.

They will remain strong in Afghanistan as long as Pakistani intelligence continues to prop them up.

The US needs to put Pakistan over its knee and give it a good and proper paddling.

Well they kind of have us stuck. We need them in Afganistan, but at the same time the both help us and hurt us there. We could punish Pakistan, but then the Taliban wins in Afghanistan. We can not punish Pakistan, and they both help us and hurt us at the same time. It is a higly delicate situation. Especially as Pakistan has a divided unstable mess of a government. The ISI (Pakistani Intel) is a state within a state and largely free of any oversight and control by the government.

You'd think India would be getting war-happy... but then I remember what their Arjun tanks are like.

[Novus America]

Well they kind of have us stuck. We need them in Afganistan, but at the same time the both help us and hurt us there. We could punish Pakistan, but then the Taliban wins in Afghanistan. We can not punish Pakistan, and they both help us and hurt us at the same time. It is a higly delicate situation. Especially as Pakistan has a divided unstable mess of a government. The ISI (Pakistani Intel) is a state within a state and largely free of any oversight and control by the government.

You'd think India would be getting war-happy... but then I remember what their Arjun tanks are like.

Well Pakistan has nukes. Considering what happened in 1971 (India completely crushed Pakistan) India could win in a conventional war, hence why Pakistan developed nukes. While the India military has problems, India is far more powerful, and its military much better. Of course Pakistan sets a VERY low bar. India could have (and maybe should have) dissolved Pakistan entirely in 1971 but chose not to. India has plenty of valid grounds to go to war with Pakistan, but India treats Pakistan with kid gloves. Pakistan could be split between India and Afghanistan, but that is not going to happen.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

You'd think India would be getting war-happy... but then I remember what their Arjun tanks are like.

Well Pakistan has nukes. Considering what happened in 1971 (India completely crushed Pakistan) India could win in a conventional war, hence why Pakistan developed nukes. While the India military has problems, India is far more powerful, and its military much better. Of course Pakistan sets a VERY low bar. India could have (and maybe should have) dissolved Pakistan entirely in 1971 but chose not to. India has plenty of valid grounds to go to war with Pakistan, but India treats Pakistan with kid gloves. Pakistan could be split between India and Afghanistan, but that is not going to happen.

India go nukes too.

Funny how when I was born, we were still dropping nukes on our own soil. Not sure if most of the people posting here can say that.
-Grew up knowing that if Russia, China, and America were willing to nuke themselves soooo badly... and we're still alive... on what grounds are they not launching missiles against those that displease them?

Because the world will totally survive a 15 gigaton nuclear exchange. Since it technically already has.

[Lonograd]

For the hundredth time the democratic republic of Afghanistan was not a soviet puppet.

It most definitely was. It was established and ma attained via Soviet backed coups.

Just because the soviet union supported the coup does not mean it was a puppet, afghanistan was an ALLY of the soviet union not a PUPPET.

[Novus America]

Well Pakistan has nukes. Considering what happened in 1971 (India completely crushed Pakistan) India could win in a conventional war, hence why Pakistan developed nukes. While the India military has problems, India is far more powerful, and its military much better. Of course Pakistan sets a VERY low bar. India could have (and maybe should have) dissolved Pakistan entirely in 1971 but chose not to. India has plenty of valid grounds to go to war with Pakistan, but India treats Pakistan with kid gloves. Pakistan could be split between India and Afghanistan, but that is not going to happen.

India go nukes too.

Funny how when I was born, we were still dropping nukes on our own soil. Not sure if most of the people posting here can say that.
-Grew up knowing that if Russia, China, and America were willing to nuke themselves soooo badly... and we're still alive... on what grounds are they not launching missiles against those that displease them?

Because the world will totally survive a 15 gigaton nuclear exchange. Since it technically already has.

Well yes India has to have nukes, because Pakistan has them. Nuclear weapons are used primarily for deterence. It does reduce the chance of conventional war as people are afraid of it escalating into a nuclear exchange.

[Novus America]

It most definitely was. It was established and ma attained via Soviet backed coups.

Just because the soviet union supported the coup does not mean it was a puppet, afghanistan was an ALLY of the soviet union not a PUPPET.

Umm when the Soviets had a problem with one of its leaders they sent Spetsnaz to murder him. And it collapsed after the Soviet Union fell. It most certainly was a Soviet puppet.

[Milizewe]

Just because the soviet union supported the coup does not mean it was a puppet, afghanistan was an ALLY of the soviet union not a PUPPET.

Umm when the Soviets had a problem with one of its leaders they sent Spetsnaz to murder him. And it collapsed after the Soviet Union fell. It most certainly was a Soviet puppet.

That kinda proves they weren't a puppet if the Soviets had to go out and kill one of them.

[Grand Britannia]

Umm when the Soviets had a problem with one of its leaders they sent Spetsnaz to murder him. And it collapsed after the Soviet Union fell. It most certainly was a Soviet puppet.

That kinda proves they weren't a puppet if the Soviets had to go out and kill one of them.

You need to replace a puppet when it malfunctions.

[Novus America]

Umm when the Soviets had a problem with one of its leaders they sent Spetsnaz to murder him. And it collapsed after the Soviet Union fell. It most certainly was a Soviet puppet.

That kinda proves they weren't a puppet if the Soviets had to go out and kill one of them.

No, especially because after that no one would dare oppose the Soviet dictates as they were literally death threats.
And when a puppet ceases to work properly, you toss it and buy a new one.