Libertarian Discussion Thread

[The Liberated Territories]

https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2 ... n-leaders/

[Geilinor]

From the General Election thread...

IMO Johnson could of picked a worst principle to stick too. In an election where everything counts, he could of least thrown the religious right a bone and defended the freedom of association (e.g. the right of Christian bakers to discriminate against gays, muslims, nazis, whatever.) This would of been great for getting the votes of Mormons and other western Christians while still being consistent with the party platform.

Thoughts?

If Johnson was interested in pandering to the religious right, he would have stayed a Republican.

[Geilinor]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/top-central-bankers-clinton-donation-puts-fed-in-political-crosshairs/ar-BBwNrhd?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

If I had a reason to dislike Clinton before, I really loath her now.

Remember kids, this is the same backstabbing, double-crossing, lying Clinton that told us the Fed shouldn't be politicized. and needs to be "left alone." (Left column.)

This is a world were the rich are demonized for even denoting a four figure while the government can get away with anything.

Central bankers as individuals are not banned from making donations. What matters is that they don't bring their politics with them to work.

[The Liberated Territories]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/top-central-bankers-clinton-donation-puts-fed-in-political-crosshairs/ar-BBwNrhd?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

If I had a reason to dislike Clinton before, I really loath her now.

Remember kids, this is the same backstabbing, double-crossing, lying Clinton that told us the Fed shouldn't be politicized. and needs to be "left alone." (Left column.)

This is a world were the rich are demonized for even denoting a four figure while the government can get away with anything.

Central bankers as individuals are not banned from making donations. What matters is that they don't bring their politics with them to work.

This is impossible. Central bankers are essentially politicians in bankers clothes. Would you not be concerned if the other major banks and other corporations gave money to Hillary? (As they had.)

[Free People of the World]

Libertarians want to fat-shame the government.

This is Sooo sig-worthy.

[Geilinor]

This is a world were the rich are demonized for even denoting a four figure while the government can get away with anything.

I don't remember demonizing anyone for donating so this doesn't apply to me.

[The Liberated Territories]

This is a world were the rich are demonized for even denoting a four figure while the government can get away with anything.

I don't remember demonizing anyone for donating so this doesn't apply to me.

I wasn't addressing you in that sentence, either. *Hint: "this is a world"

[Huswyae]

I believe in Right Libertarianism, so yes, I am right wing, but I want to raise an issue with Libertarianism.

It doesn't get its separate voice in UK politics. There is no Libertarian Party, and if there is, then it probably isn't that big. When explaining libertarianism, I often get told "So you're lib Dems then". Which isn't the case. I support no party, but I vote for the Tories because they are right wing.

I don't understand British politics that well, so forgive me for asking. What's the lib dems platform or ideology? Also what about the Conservative Party? Also, just wondering, what's your opinion on Brexit and EU membership?

I am a reactionary, I believe that we have progressed enough in society since most of the social issues that we need to progress on are progressing by themselves without intervention, however I believe Brexit was regressive. It is a step in a wrong direction.

[The Liberated Territories]

I believe in Right Libertarianism, so yes, I am right wing, but I want to raise an issue with Libertarianism.

It doesn't get its separate voice in UK politics. There is no Libertarian Party, and if there is, then it probably isn't that big. When explaining libertarianism, I often get told "So you're lib Dems then". Which isn't the case. I support no party, but I vote for the Tories because they are right wing.

There is a Libertarian Party in the UK, AFAIK, however I do know that it's a corrupt party ridden by bad decisions and the chairman is essentially milking it of money. It's also AFAIK rejected by most libertarians in the UK.

Personally I am beginning to think of party politics as a dead end.

[Intermountain States]

From the General Election thread...

IMO Johnson could of picked a worst principle to stick too. In an election where everything counts, he could of least thrown the religious right a bone and defended the freedom of association (e.g. the right of Christian bakers to discriminate against gays, muslims, nazis, whatever.) This would of been great for getting the votes of Mormons and other western Christians while still being consistent with the party platform.

Thoughts?

If Johnson was interested in pandering to the religious right, he would have stayed a Republican.

Freedom of association has always been a talking point among libertarians.If Johnson came out and said that he supports freedom of association, it will probably be the most moderate plank he would do to pander to the Religious Right

[The Liberated Territories]

From the General Election thread...

IMO Johnson could of picked a worst principle to stick too. In an election where everything counts, he could of least thrown the religious right a bone and defended the freedom of association (e.g. the right of Christian bakers to discriminate against gays, muslims, nazis, whatever.) This would of been great for getting the votes of Mormons and other western Christians while still being consistent with the party platform.

Thoughts?

If Johnson was interested in pandering to the religious right, he would have stayed a Republican.

He's more comfortable being a Democrat, it seems. Though it is the most worthwhile lazy bone you can give them.

[Darjihad]

Libertarians want to fat-shame the government.

This is Sooo sig-worthy.

I give and give

[Darjihad]

If Johnson was interested in pandering to the religious right, he would have stayed a Republican.

He's more comfortable being a Democrat, it seems. Though it is the most worthwhile lazy bone you can give them.

Bill Weld declared Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate for President.

I wonder if Gary Johnson will give me my $1500 back and let Austin Petersen represent libertarians.

[The Liberated Territories]

http://rare.us/story/if-you-dont-vote-y ... vote-away/

Remember, after all the shit slinging, your vote still doesn't matter.

[The Liberated Territories]

He's more comfortable being a Democrat, it seems. Though it is the most worthwhile lazy bone you can give them.

Bill Weld declared Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate for President.

I wonder if Gary Johnson will give me my $1500 back and let Austin Petersen represent libertarians.

No one would take him seriously though, although he'd probably be similar to Trump in the experience department at least.

[The Black Forrest]

Bill Weld declared Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate for President.

I wonder if Gary Johnson will give me my $1500 back and let Austin Petersen represent libertarians.

No one would take him seriously though, although he'd probably be similar to Trump in the experience department at least.

Indeed. Has he started yabbering about returning to the Gold Standard yet?

[Wolfmanne2]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... ry-johnson

I'm inclined to agree. Overall Johnson has showed why libertarianism along with communism, fascism and populism (left-wing and right-wing) should be no where near government.

[Washington Resistance Army]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/bernie-sanders-bill-maher-sarah-silverman-real-time-gary-johnson

I'm inclined to agree. Overall Johnson has showed why libertarianism along with communism, fascism and populism (left-wing and right-wing) should be no where near government.

>Bill Maher

[The Liberated Territories]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/bernie-sanders-bill-maher-sarah-silverman-real-time-gary-johnson

I'm inclined to agree. Overall Johnson has showed why libertarianism along with communism, fascism and populism (left-wing and right-wing) should be no where near government.

And liberalism, for it's tendencies to start wars and ruin economies.

Actually, we are probably better off without government power dictating our lives.

[Wolfmanne2]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/bernie-sanders-bill-maher-sarah-silverman-real-time-gary-johnson

I'm inclined to agree. Overall Johnson has showed why libertarianism along with communism, fascism and populism (left-wing and right-wing) should be no where near government.

And liberalism, for it's tendencies to start wars and ruin economies.

Actually, we are probably better off without government power dictating our lives.

What a simplistic analysis.

[Darjihad]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/bernie-sanders-bill-maher-sarah-silverman-real-time-gary-johnson

I'm inclined to agree. Overall Johnson has showed why libertarianism along with communism, fascism and populism (left-wing and right-wing) should be no where near government.

Johnson showed libertarianism? When?

[Wolfmanne2]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/bernie-sanders-bill-maher-sarah-silverman-real-time-gary-johnson

I'm inclined to agree. Overall Johnson has showed why libertarianism along with communism, fascism and populism (left-wing and right-wing) should be no where near government.

Johnson showed libertarianism? When?

Horseshoe theory. There's no difference between this and something like 'Ed Miliband wasn't a true socialist' from a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. Clearly the American people will vote for a 'propa libertarian'.

[Darjihad]

Bill Weld declared Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate for President.

I wonder if Gary Johnson will give me my $1500 back and let Austin Petersen represent libertarians.

No one would take him seriously though, although he'd probably be similar to Trump in the experience department at least.

Could we at least get him to teach Gary Johnson about libertarianism?

[The Liberated Territories]

And liberalism, for it's tendencies to start wars and ruin economies.

Actually, we are probably better off without government power dictating our lives.

What a simplistic analysis.

Tis a mightily complex analysis for most people, whom believe that we can vote for the things we want, and that politicians are magical people with special powers that can make things right. Has the last two decades shown us a recession and several wars, all started by the neoliberal orthodoxy of moreness. More spending, more wars, more, more more, as if the eventual collapse of society can be prolonged without consequence, so as long as the fat cats get paid.

[Fanosolia]

I'm inclined to agree. Not just I believe business owners should have the right to refuse service and / or anyone for any reason (let boycotting be a two-way street) but also...

"When we're done, faith-based charities will replace Medicare."

Churches want their social services function back, right?

The Mormons have some interesting forms of community banks, I forget the exact nature of said banks, but that can serve also as a community oriented replacement for welfare if localized and universalized. It is right and just to promote these kind of alternative solutions to the mass theft done by the governments either through taxes or fractional reserve banking.

As I've started to come to terms with, You can't blame the person calling for small government, when the government fails said person. If anything most would agree if only because of said taxes seem to be fed more into ideology than policy.

I'm also inclined to sort of agree with decentralized/alternative solutions (even with my waryness of faith-based institutions but my relations with religion are complicated at best) in the defense of those looking to better the community outside of the system. One could even make arguments for sites like "go fund me" as an example of crowdfunding to help others through it in specific jams like medical expenses. Though I'd admit I'm more inclined to Gary Johnson's New Federalist approach to this if not for a pragmatic approach to move some taxation away from the federal level while the states can see what works with policy, at least be seen as a possible practical approach towards these alternatives being more widespread to those looking for that path.

Also can't help but feel the more I think of it that Gary Johnson is more of a Liberal Republican with libertarian leanings than just what most people think as a mainstream libertarian. Though I will say he was right on one thing for sure, "most people being socially liberal and fiscally conservative." Though that might just be observations from the people closest to me so... yeah.