Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[Kubumba Tribe]

No, a kafir is a human, they deserve respect, whilst a liberal/libertarian is indeed an epitome of an Untermensch, but that's only my opinion.

Uhm... A little harsh of a thought, but truth to power.

Right Rhenish, AlHamdulillah.
What I think of about disrespecting Al-Islam, I think of stereotyping Muslims and Al-Islam, deliberately saying false things about the Deen, disrespecting the Holy Qur'an (and maybe the Ahadith), that kind of stuff. I'm ok with people who say/type "I believe in Al-Islam..." or "I don't believe/like Al-Islam". Always ask questions about the Deen, don't disparage the Deen or the adherents. That's rude.

Also, SLOW DOWN. Srsly, I missed 2 pages! >w<

What is that?

Treating it like trash, a toilet, a bonfire, etc.

[Felrik]

Seeing as I've demolished you in all our arguments, which you like to ignore because 'Hesss a pro-Israel Liberal!1!!', I'd hardly call myself the windbag.

As far as I'm concerned, you were never able to actually convince me of something, nor were you able to convince any Muslim. You're an epitome of a windbag
But, if you want to declare self-victory and go away, I'll not stop you.

Someone winning an Argument in not won by convincing your opponent, it is won by convincing the audience seeing as the two opposition will most likely not change their stance, or you can win by getting your opponent to the point were they weren't able to answer most of the points presented, the first we will never know, the second neither of you came too, so for calling each other windbags you're both windbags.

[Free Rhenish States]

Right Rhenish, AlHamdulillah.
What I think of about disrespecting Al-Islam, I think of stereotyping Muslims and Al-Islam, deliberately saying false things about the Deen, disrespecting the Holy Qur'an (and maybe the Ahadith), that kind of stuff. I'm ok with people who say/type "I believe in Al-Islam..." or "I don't believe/like Al-Islam". Always ask questions about the Deen, don't disparage the Deen or the adherents. That's rude.

Also, SLOW DOWN. Srsly, I missed 2 pages! >w<

I know. It's all Minzerland's fault

[Olerand]

Indeed.


I see. A preferable path to the more dominant desires of Muslims to punish haram activities, this is acceptable.

Glad to have answered your questions.

P.S The first time I appear in anyone's sig, yay

It was an excellent description, just the right words. Although I would not describe myself as a liberal, God forbid.

Indeed.


I see. A preferable path to the more dominant desires of Muslims to punish haram activities, this is acceptable.

We're supposed to.

Supposed to what?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Right Rhenish, AlHamdulillah.
What I think of about disrespecting Al-Islam, I think of stereotyping Muslims and Al-Islam, deliberately saying false things about the Deen, disrespecting the Holy Qur'an (and maybe the Ahadith), that kind of stuff. I'm ok with people who say/type "I believe in Al-Islam..." or "I don't believe/like Al-Islam". Always ask questions about the Deen, don't disparage the Deen or the adherents. That's rude.

Also, SLOW DOWN. Srsly, I missed 2 pages! >w<

I know. It's all Minzerland's fault

Eh, both of y'all are just flaming now.

[PaNTuXIa]

Very interesting, my friend! Apparently, I was wrong for thinking that you are just another argufying windbag like Minzerland. You are not.
It is indeed obvious that converts, who have just recently joined the religion, and many of them think they need to prove their loyalty, because they feel somewhat inferior to proper Muslims (which itself is a HUGE misunderstanding), are very vulnerable to any kinds of extremist teachings.

Seeing as I've demolished you in all our arguments, which you like to ignore because 'Hesss a pro-Israel Liberal!1!!', I'd hardly call myself the windbag.

But see, demolishing their arguments is being a windbag.

/s

[Kubumba Tribe]

Glad to have answered your questions.

P.S The first time I appear in anyone's sig, yay

It was an excellent description, just the right words. Although I would not describe myself as a liberal, God forbid.

We're supposed to.

Supposed to what?

Punish those who commit haram and don't repent.

[Nacesa Plana]

The kafir is a kind of untermensch?

No, a kafir is a human, they deserve respect, whilst a liberal/libertarian is indeed an epitome of an Untermensch, but that's only my opinion.

What about the Gülen movement, Islamic Modernism, Quranism, Tolu-e-Islam and other Liberal Muslim movements?

[Kubumba Tribe]

My Kindle' s about to die; type to y'all later once it dies insha-Allah.

[Olerand]

IMHO, we shouldn’t waste much time by believing in any god.
More than likely there’s no god. If it is, we wasted a serious amount of time dealing the non-exist.

And if there’s an almighty he will forgive us when we didn’t spend much time worshipping him.

You’re only a short time visitor of this planet. 1/3th you’re sleeping, 1/3th you’re working or studying. There’s another 1/3th you can fill with pleasure and good stuff.

Time is the only real currency. And you can’t buy time. Don’t waste it.

Yesterday, you were still a child, tomorrow you’ll be an old man or woman flirting with eternity. In the blink of an eye, life is game over.

This was a Sartrian public announcement, brought to you by your Hegelian dasein grappling with its mortal existence.

Uhm... A little harsh of a thought, but truth to power.


What is that?

Treating it like trash, a toilet, a bonfire, etc.

An acceptable answer, I guess. What of ideological disagreements with the Quran or Ahadith?

[Kubumba Tribe]

No, a kafir is a human, they deserve respect, whilst a liberal/libertarian is indeed an epitome of an Untermensch, but that's only my opinion.

What about the Gülen movement, Islamic Modernism, Quranism, Tolu-e-Islam and other Liberal Muslim movements?

?

[Free Rhenish States]

Seeing as I've demolished you in all our arguments, which you like to ignore because 'Hesss a pro-Israel Liberal!1!!', I'd hardly call myself the windbag.

But see, demolishing their arguments is being a windbag.

/s

His arguments were at best clarifying his position, whether or not his interpretation (since he bring up any sources, anyways) is right is a whole different thing, depending on the people's position on the Arab-Israeli conflict.

[Olerand]

It was an excellent description, just the right words. Although I would not describe myself as a liberal, God forbid.


Supposed to what?

Punish those who commit haram and don't repent.

Ah. Well, I take back my earlier assessment. A most unacceptable answer.

[Kubumba Tribe]

IMHO, we shouldn’t waste much time by believing in any god.
More than likely there’s no god. If it is, we wasted a serious amount of time dealing the non-exist.

And if there’s an almighty he will forgive us when we didn’t spend much time worshipping him.

You’re only a short time visitor of this planet. 1/3th you’re sleeping, 1/3th you’re working or studying. There’s another 1/3th you can fill with pleasure and good stuff.

Time is the only real currency. And you can’t buy time. Don’t waste it.

Yesterday, you were still a child, tomorrow you’ll be an old man or woman flirting with eternity. In the blink of an eye, life is game over.

This was a Sartrian public announcement, brought to you by your Hegelian dasein grappling with its mortal existence.

Treating it like trash, a toilet, a bonfire, etc.

An acceptable answer, I guess. What of ideological disagreements with the Quran or Ahadith?

A false hadith talks about killing those who leave Al-Islam.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Punish those who commit haram and don't repent.

Ah. Well, I take back my earlier assessment. A most unacceptable answer.

Why?

[Olerand]

This was a Sartrian public announcement, brought to you by your Hegelian dasein grappling with its mortal existence.


An acceptable answer, I guess. What of ideological disagreements with the Quran or Ahadith?

A false hadith talks about killing those who leave Al-Islam.

False hadith? So no death for apostasy? I guess that's preferable to the alternative. What of ideological disagreement? Shirk even?

[Felrik]

Right Rhenish, AlHamdulillah.
What I think of about disrespecting Al-Islam, I think of stereotyping Muslims and Al-Islam, deliberately saying false things about the Deen, disrespecting the Holy Qur'an (and maybe the Ahadith), that kind of stuff. I'm ok with people who say/type "I believe in Al-Islam..." or "I don't believe/like Al-Islam". Always ask questions about the Deen, don't disparage the Deen or the adherents. That's rude.

Also, SLOW DOWN. Srsly, I missed 2 pages! >w<

When you say disrespect do you mean disrespect or criticism, also in your sig it says Racism/White Supremacy does that mean you only regard white supremacy as racist, if so that is incorrect and you should correct it, if not then it is unnecessary to have it like you did, it's already covered by racism.

[Free Rhenish States]

No, a kafir is a human, they deserve respect, whilst a liberal/libertarian is indeed an epitome of an Untermensch, but that's only my opinion.

What about the Gülen movement, Islamic Modernism, Quranism, Tolu-e-Islam and other Liberal Muslim movements?

Islam and Quran strictly prohibit "religious innovations", Islam itself was a response to Christian religious degradation, just like Jesus (yes, he's the second most important Prophet after Muhammad (PBUH) for us) was sent to the chidlren of Israel not to change the law, but to keep it.
So basically the liberal Muslims are not very different from a typical liberals, since they are trying to adopt Islam to liberalism.

[Nacesa Plana]

What about the Gülen movement, Islamic Modernism, Quranism, Tolu-e-Islam and other Liberal Muslim movements?

?

Surprised because Muslims can be liberals as well?

According FRS, liberals are a kind of untermensch. Now, I'm wondering what label will be prepared for liberal Muslims.

[Kubumba Tribe]

A false hadith talks about killing those who leave Al-Islam.

False hadith? So no death for apostasy? I guess that's preferable to the alternative. What of ideological disagreement? Shirk even?

If you're typing about different religions, or lack thereof, people are free to practice them.

[Free Rhenish States]

A false hadith talks about killing those who leave Al-Islam.

False hadith? So no death for apostasy? I guess that's preferable to the alternative. What of ideological disagreement? Shirk even?

A hadith is a report describing the actions, words, habits or saying of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Some hadiths are not viewed as reliable, so they are deemed false hadiths.

[Greater Tezdrian]

*sips tea in the corner, with his portrait of the Caliph*

Ahmadiyya ftw.

[Olerand]

Ah. Well, I take back my earlier assessment. A most unacceptable answer.

Why?

A lot of things are defined by mainstream Ulama as being haram, punishment for those things is most unacceptable. Alcohol, fornication, adultery, homosexuality, atheism, to some Ulama indecency (hello ladies), even interest (my mother is a banker, a most unfortunate job in case of an Islamist government) etc.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Right Rhenish, AlHamdulillah.
What I think of about disrespecting Al-Islam, I think of stereotyping Muslims and Al-Islam, deliberately saying false things about the Deen, disrespecting the Holy Qur'an (and maybe the Ahadith), that kind of stuff. I'm ok with people who say/type "I believe in Al-Islam..." or "I don't believe/like Al-Islam". Always ask questions about the Deen, don't disparage the Deen or the adherents. That's rude.

Also, SLOW DOWN. Srsly, I missed 2 pages! >w<

When you say disrespect do you mean disrespect or criticism, also in your sig it says Racism/White Supremacy does that mean you only regard white supremacy as racist, if so that is incorrect and you should correct it, if not then it is unnecessary to have it like you did, it's already covered by racism.

That is the largest and most harmful form of racism.

[Free Rhenish States]

Why?

A lot of things are defined by mainstream Ulama as being haram, punishment for those things is most unacceptable. Alcohol, fornication, adultery, homosexuality, atheism, to some Ulama indecency (hello ladies), even interest (my mother is a banker, a most unfortunate job in case of an Islamist government) etc.

Being a banker is not prohibited, only the money-lending.