Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[Herskerstad]

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The Prophet – Allah bless and greet him – wore his hair long until his passing from this world, “from more than shoulder-length (fawqa al-jumma*) to short of the earlobes (dûna al-wafra**)” as narrated from ‘A’isha – Allah be well-pleased with her – by al-Tirmidhi (hasan sahîh gharîb). Al-Bara’ ibn ‘Azib said: “Never did I see anyone with head-and-shoulder hair (dhî limma***) look more more handsome with a red garment on than the Messenger of Allah, his hair over his shoulders (sha‘ruhu yadribu minkabayh), wide-shouldered, neither tall nor short.” (Muslim, Ahmad, and the Sunan except Ibn Majah)
Al-Qadi ‘Iyad said that the freely-hanging hair (sadl), forelock (nâsiya), and shoulder-length hair (jumma) were abrogated. At the time the Prophet – Allah bless and greet him – entered Makka, he was wearing his hair braided in four plaits (ghadâ’ir, dafâ’ir, ‘aqâ’is). Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (hasan gharîb, in some mss. gharîb only), Ibn Majah, Abu Dawud, and Ahmad, all four with the same chain graded “fair” (hasan) by Ibn Hajar in Fath al-Bari (10:304), a grading confirmed by Shaykh Shu‘ayb al-Arna’ut in his edition of al-Baghawi’s Sharh al-Sunna (12:97).

But you know that Mahomet was a white man, right?

"While we were sitting with the Prophet in the mosque, a man came riding on a camel. He made his camel kneel down in the mosque, tied its foreleg and then said: "Who amongst you is Muhammad?" At that time the Prophet was sitting amongst us (his companions) leaning on his arm. We replied, "This white man reclining on his arm." The man then addressed him, "O Son of 'Abdul Muttalib." Volume 1, Book 3, Number 63. Narrated Anas bin Malik:"

Actually, he was so famous for his pale skin that his symbol was the moon (The symbol of Islam is the moon):
"as there is no darkness in the moonlit night so is [Mohammed], the well-wisher, bright."

One of The Prophet's wives, Safiya, had a dream that she would marry Him one day:
"she saw in a dream as if the moon had fallen from the heavens into her lap;"

Al-Bara' was asked, "Was the face of the Prophet (as bright) as a sword?" He said, "No, but (as bright) as a moon."

So I guess, following your logic, every Muslim should try to mimic Micheal Jackson and take White Spirit bathes.

And here I thought Joseph Smith was the whitest prophet ever.

[Menassa]

Yeah. So as I was saying, to emulate Mahomet (because yes, Mahomet is his name ) you should try to whiten your skin; don't you think? I mean, after all, if you truly wanna look like him; growing a beard or saying salahm isn't nearly as close as sharing the same pigmentation.

I wish NS had lighter rules on how I could reply to this

We debate ideas, not people.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Aelex, you can't accept every single hadith verse, because some ahadith contradict the Holy Qur'an. So Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) may have been white, maybe not. I think not, because he (SAWS) was born in the Mid East.
Olerand, the Holy Qur'an states that there's no compulsion in religion, so no, Jews wouldn't have to convert to Al-Islam whether they paid jizya or not. Besides, imo, in my ideal Islamic society, non-Muslims wouldn't follow Sharia unless there are Sharia laws that pertain to them. Actually, that should be in any Islamic nation, not my ideal one.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Aelex, it's Muhammad, not Mahomet (that transliteration is wayoff anyways). He (SAWS) was born in Arabia, not France.
Yarmaqui, Muslims hold Janazah prayer for those transitioning, but I think that about the only difference. And that's what I know anyways, another Muslim might know more.

[Herskerstad]

Aelex, it's Muhammad, not Mahomet (that transliteration is wayoff anyways). He (SAWS) was born in Arabia, not France.
Yarmaqui, Muslims hold Janazah prayer for those transitioning, but I think that about the only difference. And that's what I know anyways, another Muslim might know more.

The root in modern Arabic would be something akin to mu-HAHM-mahd if we are going by standards and authenticity. Furthermore, Islamic people have identified themselves in a variety of way as have they been identified, as Muhammadeans, Moslems, Muslims, Musslemen, ect. None of these are unauthentic or for that matter an issue of offence.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Aelex, it's Muhammad, not Mahomet (that transliteration is wayoff anyways). He (SAWS) was born in Arabia, not France.
Yarmaqui, Muslims hold Janazah prayer for those transitioning, but I think that about the only difference. And that's what I know anyways, another Muslim might know more.

The root in modern Arabic would be something akin to mu-HAHM-mahd if we are going by standards and authenticity. Furthermore, Islamic people have identified themselves in a variety of way as have they been identified, as Muhammadeans, Moslems, Muslims, Musslemen, ect. None of these are unauthentic or for that matter an issue of offence.

Yes they are

[Herskerstad]

The root in modern Arabic would be something akin to mu-HAHM-mahd if we are going by standards and authenticity. Furthermore, Islamic people have identified themselves in a variety of way as have they been identified, as Muhammadeans, Moslems, Muslims, Musslemen, ect. None of these are unauthentic or for that matter an issue of offence.

Yes they are

Oh they are? By what metric?

[Tylope]

I am an atheist. If someone is religious, but they're peaceful, then why should anyone care? However, religious fundamentalism is undeniably a problem. No matter what religion that may be. Now, I don't think military action is the solution to this problem, and I'm not sure I know of a solution. But it is a problem, no doubt.

[United Territories and States]

I am an atheist. If someone is religious, but they're peaceful, then why should anyone care? However, religious fundamentalism is undeniably a problem. No matter what religion that may be. Now, I don't think military action is the solution to this problem, and I'm not sure I know of a solution. But it is a problem, no doubt.

Education seems to be the best way, or suppression of radical ideas.

[Tylope]

I am an atheist. If someone is religious, but they're peaceful, then why should anyone care? However, religious fundamentalism is undeniably a problem. No matter what religion that may be. Now, I don't think military action is the solution to this problem, and I'm not sure I know of a solution. But it is a problem, no doubt.

Education seems to be the best way, or suppression of radical ideas.

Education makes sense. I hate suppression of anyone's beliefs though, unless they act on their extremism and hurt other people.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Aelex, it's Muhammad, not Mahomet (that transliteration is wayoff anyways). He (SAWS) was born in Arabia, not France.
Yarmaqui, Muslims hold Janazah prayer for those transitioning, but I think that about the only difference. And that's what I know anyways, another Muslim might know more.

The root in modern Arabic would be something akin to mu-HAHM-mahd if we are going by standards and authenticity. Furthermore, Islamic people have identified themselves in a variety of way as have they been identified, as Muhammadeans, Moslems, Muslims, Musslemen, ect. None of these are unauthentic or for that matter an issue of offence.

Muslims never called our selves Mohammedans, that's what non-Muslims called us that. The most accurate adjective is Muslim, plural Muslimeen, 'Arabiyyah for Muslims.

[Herskerstad]

The root in modern Arabic would be something akin to mu-HAHM-mahd if we are going by standards and authenticity. Furthermore, Islamic people have identified themselves in a variety of way as have they been identified, as Muhammadeans, Moslems, Muslims, Musslemen, ect. None of these are unauthentic or for that matter an issue of offence.

Muslims never called our selves Mohammedans, that's what non-Muslims called us that. The most accurate adjective is Muslim, plural Muslimeen, 'Arabiyyah for Muslims.

That depends entirely on the historical time and place. Yes, even a quick take on Muhammadeans is still utilised stylistically by some Muslims today. All the different words essentially mean the same thing, none of them indicates offence and as such it is not within legitimacy's reach to proclaim otherwise.

[Aelex]

Aelex, it's Muhammad, not Mahomet (that transliteration is wayoff anyways). He (SAWS) was born in Arabia, not France.
Yarmaqui, Muslims hold Janazah prayer for those transitioning, but I think that about the only difference. And that's what I know anyways, another Muslim might know more.

Well, Jésus may have been called Yeshua in Hebrew yet I'll still keep on calling him Jésus because it's his name in my language.
Why should I treat Mahomet differently?

[United Territories and States]

Aelex, it's Muhammad, not Mahomet (that transliteration is wayoff anyways). He (SAWS) was born in Arabia, not France.
Yarmaqui, Muslims hold Janazah prayer for those transitioning, but I think that about the only difference. And that's what I know anyways, another Muslim might know more.

Same fundamentals though.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Aelex, it's Muhammad, not Mahomet (that transliteration is wayoff anyways). He (SAWS) was born in Arabia, not France.
Yarmaqui, Muslims hold Janazah prayer for those transitioning, but I think that about the only difference. And that's what I know anyways, another Muslim might know more.

Well, Jésus may have been called Yeshua in Hebrew yet I'll still keep on calling him Jésus because it's his name in my language.
Why should I treat Mahomet differently?

That is a correct (?) translation. Mahomet is no where near a correct translation or transliteration. My Kindle even auto corrected 'Mahomet'.

[The Alma Mater]

Aelex, it's Muhammad, not Mahomet (that transliteration is wayoff anyways). He (SAWS) was born in Arabia, not France.
Yarmaqui, Muslims hold Janazah prayer for those transitioning, but I think that about the only difference. And that's what I know anyways, another Muslim might know more.

Well, Jésus may have been called Yeshua in Hebrew yet I'll still keep on calling him Jésus because it's his name in my language.

Why translate names at all ? Seems very rude - and it is not like Yeshua would have understood you'd be calling him if you yelled "Jesus ! Dinner is ready !".

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Muslims never called our selves Mohammedans, that's what non-Muslims called us that. The most accurate adjective is Muslim, plural Muslimeen, 'Arabiyyah for Muslims.

That depends entirely on the historical time and place. Yes, even a quick take on Muhammadeans is still utilised stylistically by some Muslims today. All the different words essentially mean the same thing, none of them indicates offence and as such it is not within legitimacy's reach to proclaim otherwise.

Actually many Muslims consider 'Mohammedan' offensive.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Well, Jésus may have been called Yeshua in Hebrew yet I'll still keep on calling him Jésus because it's his name in my language.

Why translate names at all ? Seems very rude - and it is not like Yeshua would have understood you'd be calling him if you yelled "Jesus ! Dinner is ready !".

Point taken.

[Herskerstad]

That depends entirely on the historical time and place. Yes, even a quick take on Muhammadeans is still utilised stylistically by some Muslims today. All the different words essentially mean the same thing, none of them indicates offence and as such it is not within legitimacy's reach to proclaim otherwise.

Actually many Muslims consider 'Mohammedan' offensive.

And many Muslims go by that name. Ergo, there is no reason to take offence short of wanting to be offended, which leaves precious little reasoning to declare it so.

[Herskerstad]

Well, Jésus may have been called Yeshua in Hebrew yet I'll still keep on calling him Jésus because it's his name in my language.

Why translate names at all ? Seems very rude - and it is not like Yeshua would have understood you'd be calling him if you yelled "Jesus ! Dinner is ready !".

Perhaps the non-transcendent Jesus of the Quran would be confused, but the omnipotent son of God? He is not confused be it a Hebrew or an Aboriginal calling his name in whichever form their language enunciates it.

[Aelex]

And here I thought Joseph Smith was the whitest prophet ever.

To be fair, I thought the same and even more as, until quite recently, I thought he was also the most racist and pro-slavery prophet of all time.
Apparently not.

Mahomet is teaching us that Satan is a black man :

"The apostle said, "Whoever wants to see Satan let him take a look at Nabtal b. al-Harith!" He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks. He used to come and talk to the apostle and listen to him and then carry what he had said to the hypocrites. It was he who said: "Muhammad is all ears: if anyone tells him anything he believes it." God sent down concerning him: "And of them are those who annoy the prophet and say he is all ears, Say: Good ears for you. He believes in God and trusts the believers and is a mercy for those of you who believe; and those who annoy the apostle of God for them there is a painful punishment." (Sura 9:61)

But also that Black people are doomed to hell :

On the Day when (some) faces will be whitened and (some) faces will be blackened; and as for those whose faces have been blackened, it will be said unto them: Disbelieved ye after your (profession of) belief? Then taste the punishment for that ye disbelieved. (Âl 'Imran 3:106)
And on the Day of Resurrection thou (Muhammad) seest those who lied concerning Allah with their faces blackened. Is not the home of the scorners in hell? (Az-Zumar 39:60)

And I'm not even talking about the fact that Mahomet successor instituted death penalty for anyone daring to say that Mahomet was a black man.

"Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun, said, "Anyone who says that the Prophet was black SHOULD BE KILLED." "

[Aelex]

That is a correct (?) translation. Mahomet is no where near a correct translation or transliteration. My Kindle even auto corrected 'Mahomet'.

Mahomet do is the correct transliteration in French (as well as in Germanic and other Romance languages I believe), and my own auto-correct change Muhamad to "Hamada" for whatever it's a proof of.

[United Territories and States]

And here I thought Joseph Smith was the whitest prophet ever.

To be fair, I thought the same and even more as, until quite recently, I thought he was also the most racist and pro-slavery prophet of all time.
Apparently not.

Mahomet is teaching us that Satan is a black man :

"The apostle said, "Whoever wants to see Satan let him take a look at Nabtal b. al-Harith!" He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks. He used to come and talk to the apostle and listen to him and then carry what he had said to the hypocrites. It was he who said: "Muhammad is all ears: if anyone tells him anything he believes it." God sent down concerning him: "And of them are those who annoy the prophet and say he is all ears, Say: Good ears for you. He believes in God and trusts the believers and is a mercy for those of you who believe; and those who annoy the apostle of God for them there is a painful punishment." (Sura 9:61)

But also that Black people are doomed to hell :

On the Day when (some) faces will be whitened and (some) faces will be blackened; and as for those whose faces have been blackened, it will be said unto them: Disbelieved ye after your (profession of) belief? Then taste the punishment for that ye disbelieved. (Âl 'Imran 3:106)
And on the Day of Resurrection thou (Muhammad) seest those who lied concerning Allah with their faces blackened. Is not the home of the scorners in hell? (Az-Zumar 39:60)

And I'm not even talking about the fact that Mahomet successor instituted death penalty for anyone daring to say that Mahomet was a black man.

"Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun, said, "Anyone who says that the Prophet was black SHOULD BE KILLED." "

I don't think it means Black racially.

[Senegalboy]

And here I thought Joseph Smith was the whitest prophet ever.

To be fair, I thought the same and even more as, until quite recently, I thought he was also the most racist and pro-slavery prophet of all time.
Apparently not.

Mahomet is teaching us that Satan is a black man :

"The apostle said, "Whoever wants to see Satan let him take a look at Nabtal b. al-Harith!" He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks. He used to come and talk to the apostle and listen to him and then carry what he had said to the hypocrites. It was he who said: "Muhammad is all ears: if anyone tells him anything he believes it." God sent down concerning him: "And of them are those who annoy the prophet and say he is all ears, Say: Good ears for you. He believes in God and trusts the believers and is a mercy for those of you who believe; and those who annoy the apostle of God for them there is a painful punishment." (Sura 9:61)

But also that Black people are doomed to hell :

On the Day when (some) faces will be whitened and (some) faces will be blackened; and as for those whose faces have been blackened, it will be said unto them: Disbelieved ye after your (profession of) belief? Then taste the punishment for that ye disbelieved. (Âl 'Imran 3:106)
And on the Day of Resurrection thou (Muhammad) seest those who lied concerning Allah with their faces blackened. Is not the home of the scorners in hell? (Az-Zumar 39:60)

And I'm not even talking about the fact that Mahomet successor instituted death penalty for anyone daring to say that Mahomet was a black man.

"Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun, said, "Anyone who says that the Prophet was black SHOULD BE KILLED." "

So if the prophet Muhammad(S.A.W) was racist so why was the call to prayer uttered first by bilal and the first martyr of islam was Ethiopian.He hated all racism and believed all men an were equal.

[Senegalboy]

To be fair, I thought the same and even more as, until quite recently, I thought he was also the most racist and pro-slavery prophet of all time.
Apparently not.

Mahomet is teaching us that Satan is a black man :

"The apostle said, "Whoever wants to see Satan let him take a look at Nabtal b. al-Harith!" He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks. He used to come and talk to the apostle and listen to him and then carry what he had said to the hypocrites. It was he who said: "Muhammad is all ears: if anyone tells him anything he believes it." God sent down concerning him: "And of them are those who annoy the prophet and say he is all ears, Say: Good ears for you. He believes in God and trusts the believers and is a mercy for those of you who believe; and those who annoy the apostle of God for them there is a painful punishment." (Sura 9:61)

But also that Black people are doomed to hell :

On the Day when (some) faces will be whitened and (some) faces will be blackened; and as for those whose faces have been blackened, it will be said unto them: Disbelieved ye after your (profession of) belief? Then taste the punishment for that ye disbelieved. (Âl 'Imran 3:106)
And on the Day of Resurrection thou (Muhammad) seest those who lied concerning Allah with their faces blackened. Is not the home of the scorners in hell? (Az-Zumar 39:60)

And I'm not even talking about the fact that Mahomet successor instituted death penalty for anyone daring to say that Mahomet was a black man.

"Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun, said, "Anyone who says that the Prophet was black SHOULD BE KILLED." "

I don't think it means Black racially.

It means a satanic type of shaded eyes like the sith from star wars