Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[The Servants OF Allah]

I'm not a muslim, but actually I wanna study the hadith. Is there any book I could get on it or something? How should I study it?

I'd like to read books about hadith in general, but I'm aware there are debates about certain controversial teachings in the hadith. General western criticisms of islam and all that jazz. I'd also like to read about that stuff, things that address those issues.

If you are reading the Hadith, you should first read the Quran with tafseer. And I would suggest that you read "Sahih Bukhari", "Sahih Muslim", "Tirmidhi" and "Ibn e Maja" for Hadiths and their tafseer. WalahuIlm

[Kubumba Tribe]

Ramadan Mubarak wa Assalamu 'Alaikum wa raHmatullahi wa barakatihuh

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

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Is it bad that I thought more about how gorgeous this man is?

Sexuality: Asexual

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Salam Aleykum and Ramadan Kareem to all my Muslim friends.

But of course, I do not come without inquiry.

http://www.judaism-islam.com/the-islami ... f-judaism/

After reading through the article on the website, I was wondering if this was the mainstream opinion of Islam or just the staff of the Website, I thought what better place to ask then here?

Islam shares certain similarities with Judaism I mean that's all I can say really we share similarities with Christianity too. Allah has blessed the people of the book with knowledge and guidance in the Taurat (Torah) and Injeel (Gospel).

[Herskerstad]

Salam Aleykum and Ramadan Kareem to all my Muslim friends.

But of course, I do not come without inquiry.

http://www.judaism-islam.com/the-islami ... f-judaism/

After reading through the article on the website, I was wondering if this was the mainstream opinion of Islam or just the staff of the Website, I thought what better place to ask then here?

Islam shares certain similarities with Judaism I mean that's all I can say really we share similarities with Christianity too. Allah has blessed the people of the book with knowledge and guidance in the Taurat (Torah) and Injeel (Gospel).

Are those corrupted?

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Islam shares certain similarities with Judaism I mean that's all I can say really we share similarities with Christianity too. Allah has blessed the people of the book with knowledge and guidance in the Taurat (Torah) and Injeel (Gospel).

Are those corrupted?

Today yes to an extent from an Islamic perspective but the original versions were not corrupt and the actual word of God like the Quran.

[Herskerstad]

Are those corrupted?

Today yes to an extent from an Islamic perspective but the original versions were not corrupt and the actual word of God like the Quran.

Exists there a single reference to one of the uncorrupted Torahs or Bibles?

[Menassa]

Salam Aleykum and Ramadan Kareem to all my Muslim friends.

But of course, I do not come without inquiry.

http://www.judaism-islam.com/the-islami ... f-judaism/

After reading through the article on the website, I was wondering if this was the mainstream opinion of Islam or just the staff of the Website, I thought what better place to ask then here?

Islam shares certain similarities with Judaism I mean that's all I can say really we share similarities with Christianity too. Allah has blessed the people of the book with knowledge and guidance in the Taurat (Torah) and Injeel (Gospel).

What about the website's proposition that the Torah was never corrupted?

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Islam shares certain similarities with Judaism I mean that's all I can say really we share similarities with Christianity too. Allah has blessed the people of the book with knowledge and guidance in the Taurat (Torah) and Injeel (Gospel).

What about the website's proposition that the Torah was never corrupted?

It was likely written from a Jewish perspective it seems that site has Jews and Muslims writing for it so it could lead to conflicting writings at times.

[Bhikkustan]

Guys, I need your help for a RP. I dvlared a fatwa at a country that is profoundly anti Buddhist and I believe anti Muslim. Can you help me form a debate argument? We are having a debate of all Muslim leaders to determine its legitimacy.

[The Servants OF Allah]

Guys, I need your help for a RP. I dvlared a fatwa at a country that is profoundly anti Buddhist and I believe anti Muslim. Can you help me form a debate argument? We are having a debate of all Muslim leaders to determine its legitimacy.

What was the fatwa ?

[Herskerstad]

Guys, I need your help for a RP. I dvlared a fatwa at a country that is profoundly anti Buddhist and I believe anti Muslim. Can you help me form a debate argument? We are having a debate of all Muslim leaders to determine its legitimacy.

Are you an imam in said rp?

[Herskerstad]

What about the website's proposition that the Torah was never corrupted?

It was likely written from a Jewish perspective it seems that site has Jews and Muslims writing for it so it could lead to conflicting writings at times.

So you say it's been corrupted to some extent, and one would be correct to say that is the average position nowadays?

[Alsheb]

Today yes to an extent from an Islamic perspective but the original versions were not corrupt and the actual word of God like the Quran.

Exists there a single reference to one of the uncorrupted Torahs or Bibles?

No, I believe not.

[Menassa]

What about the website's proposition that the Torah was never corrupted?

It was likely written from a Jewish perspective it seems that site has Jews and Muslims writing for it so it could lead to conflicting writings at times.

But the belief that Jews don't need to convert to Islam isn't the normative belief of Muslims?

[Olerand]

It was likely written from a Jewish perspective it seems that site has Jews and Muslims writing for it so it could lead to conflicting writings at times.

But the belief that Jews don't need to convert to Islam isn't the normative belief of Muslims?

If they pay the jizzya, and abide by the rules of their dhimmi status, then no, Jews need not convert to Islam.

[Menassa]

But the belief that Jews don't need to convert to Islam isn't the normative belief of Muslims?

If they pay the jizzya, and abide by the rules of their dhimmi status, then no, Jews need not convert to Islam.

If they don't pay the Jizzya and they don't convert to Islam they won't be allowed into Jannah?

[Olerand]

If they pay the jizzya, and abide by the rules of their dhimmi status, then no, Jews need not convert to Islam.

If they don't pay the Jizzya and they don't convert to Islam they won't be allowed into Jannah?

That I cannot say. However, I would presume not. A good Jew in Islamic lands would conform to the rules set out by Islamic law. If they do not, then I cannot see why they would be allowed into heaven.

[Menassa]

If they don't pay the Jizzya and they don't convert to Islam they won't be allowed into Jannah?

That I cannot say. However, I would presume not. A good Jew in Islamic lands would conform to the rules set out by Islamic law. If they do not, then I cannot see why they would be allowed into heaven.

Perhaps because that makes the acceptance or denial into heaven about a Tax and not about being Moral?

[Aelex]

Good examples
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The Prophet – Allah bless and greet him – wore his hair long until his passing from this world, “from more than shoulder-length (fawqa al-jumma*) to short of the earlobes (dûna al-wafra**)” as narrated from ‘A’isha – Allah be well-pleased with her – by al-Tirmidhi (hasan sahîh gharîb). Al-Bara’ ibn ‘Azib said: “Never did I see anyone with head-and-shoulder hair (dhî limma***) look more more handsome with a red garment on than the Messenger of Allah, his hair over his shoulders (sha‘ruhu yadribu minkabayh), wide-shouldered, neither tall nor short.” (Muslim, Ahmad, and the Sunan except Ibn Majah)
Al-Qadi ‘Iyad said that the freely-hanging hair (sadl), forelock (nâsiya), and shoulder-length hair (jumma) were abrogated. At the time the Prophet – Allah bless and greet him – entered Makka, he was wearing his hair braided in four plaits (ghadâ’ir, dafâ’ir, ‘aqâ’is). Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (hasan gharîb, in some mss. gharîb only), Ibn Majah, Abu Dawud, and Ahmad, all four with the same chain graded “fair” (hasan) by Ibn Hajar in Fath al-Bari (10:304), a grading confirmed by Shaykh Shu‘ayb al-Arna’ut in his edition of al-Baghawi’s Sharh al-Sunna (12:97).

But you know that Mahomet was a white man, right?

"While we were sitting with the Prophet in the mosque, a man came riding on a camel. He made his camel kneel down in the mosque, tied its foreleg and then said: "Who amongst you is Muhammad?" At that time the Prophet was sitting amongst us (his companions) leaning on his arm. We replied, "This white man reclining on his arm." The man then addressed him, "O Son of 'Abdul Muttalib." Volume 1, Book 3, Number 63. Narrated Anas bin Malik:"

Actually, he was so famous for his pale skin that his symbol was the moon (The symbol of Islam is the moon):
"as there is no darkness in the moonlit night so is [Mohammed], the well-wisher, bright."

One of The Prophet's wives, Safiya, had a dream that she would marry Him one day:
"she saw in a dream as if the moon had fallen from the heavens into her lap;"

Al-Bara' was asked, "Was the face of the Prophet (as bright) as a sword?" He said, "No, but (as bright) as a moon."

So I guess, following your logic, every Muslim should try to mimic Micheal Jackson and take White Spirit bathes.

[Olerand]

That I cannot say. However, I would presume not. A good Jew in Islamic lands would conform to the rules set out by Islamic law. If they do not, then I cannot see why they would be allowed into heaven.

Perhaps because that makes the acceptance or denial into heaven about a Tax and not about being Moral?

Morality, and conforming to the laws and mandates of Islam and Sharia law, as a criteria for entrance to heaven pertains to Muslims.
People of the book enter heaven by being good people, and conforming to the laws set out by God to Muhammad.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Good examples
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The Prophet – Allah bless and greet him – wore his hair long until his passing from this world, “from more than shoulder-length (fawqa al-jumma*) to short of the earlobes (dûna al-wafra**)” as narrated from ‘A’isha – Allah be well-pleased with her – by al-Tirmidhi (hasan sahîh gharîb). Al-Bara’ ibn ‘Azib said: “Never did I see anyone with head-and-shoulder hair (dhî limma***) look more more handsome with a red garment on than the Messenger of Allah, his hair over his shoulders (sha‘ruhu yadribu minkabayh), wide-shouldered, neither tall nor short.” (Muslim, Ahmad, and the Sunan except Ibn Majah)
Al-Qadi ‘Iyad said that the freely-hanging hair (sadl), forelock (nâsiya), and shoulder-length hair (jumma) were abrogated. At the time the Prophet – Allah bless and greet him – entered Makka, he was wearing his hair braided in four plaits (ghadâ’ir, dafâ’ir, ‘aqâ’is). Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (hasan gharîb, in some mss. gharîb only), Ibn Majah, Abu Dawud, and Ahmad, all four with the same chain graded “fair” (hasan) by Ibn Hajar in Fath al-Bari (10:304), a grading confirmed by Shaykh Shu‘ayb al-Arna’ut in his edition of al-Baghawi’s Sharh al-Sunna (12:97).

But you know that Mahomet was a white man, right?

"While we were sitting with the Prophet in the mosque, a man came riding on a camel. He made his camel kneel down in the mosque, tied its foreleg and then said: "Who amongst you is Muhammad?" At that time the Prophet was sitting amongst us (his companions) leaning on his arm. We replied, "This white man reclining on his arm." The man then addressed him, "O Son of 'Abdul Muttalib." Volume 1, Book 3, Number 63. Narrated Anas bin Malik:"

Actually, he was so famous for his pale skin that his symbol was the moon (The symbol of Islam is the moon):
"as there is no darkness in the moonlit night so is [Mohammed], the well-wisher, bright."

One of The Prophet's wives, Safiya, had a dream that she would marry Him one day:
"she saw in a dream as if the moon had fallen from the heavens into her lap;"

Al-Bara' was asked, "Was the face of the Prophet (as bright) as a sword?" He said, "No, but (as bright) as a moon."

So I guess, following your logic, every Muslim should try to mimic Micheal Jackson and take White Spirit bathes.

What does the color the Prophet's (SAAWS) skin have to do with anything and no Micheal Jackson is a horrible example for humanity and it's Muhammad not Mohammet I don't care how you spell it in French his name is Muhammad. No one can control their skin and Muhammad (SAAWS) said "The white man is not above the black man nor the black above the white nor the Arab above the non-Arab or the non-Arab above the Arab" he also told us Allah (SWT) created us in different ways to recognize each other imagine if we all looked the same no one would recognize one another. But emulation of him is important everyone emulates someone whether be it celebrities or athletes so instead of emulating sinful and non-believing people Muslims should emulate the greatest of men Muhammad (SAAWS) by Allah if he gave us an order we'd follow it. It is required to emulate him this is why we grow long beards and say Salam.

[Aelex]

What does the color the Prophet's (SAAWS) skin have to do with anything and no Micheal Jackson is a horrible example for humanity and it's Muhammad not Mohammet I don't care how you spell it in French his name is Muhammad. No one can control their skin and Muhammad (SAAWS) said "The white man is not above the black man nor the black above the white nor the Arab above the non-Arab or the non-Arab above the Arab" he also told us Allah (SWT) created us in different ways to recognize each other imagine if we all looked the same no one would recognize one another. But emulation of him is important everyone emulates someone whether be it celebrities or athletes so instead of emulating sinful and non-believing people Muslims should emulate the greatest of men Muhammad (SAAWS) by Allah if he gave us an order we'd follow it. It is required to emulate him this is why we grow long beards and say Salam.

Yeah. So as I was saying, to emulate Mahomet (because yes, Mahomet is his name ) you should try to whiten your skin; don't you think? I mean, after all, if you truly wanna look like him; growing a beard or saying salahm isn't nearly as close as sharing the same pigmentation.

[Yaramaqui]

לק”י

I wonder, what are the detailed ways of mourning in Islamic Tradition? I assume they vary amongst different communities and sects?

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

What does the color the Prophet's (SAAWS) skin have to do with anything and no Micheal Jackson is a horrible example for humanity and it's Muhammad not Mohammet I don't care how you spell it in French his name is Muhammad. No one can control their skin and Muhammad (SAAWS) said "The white man is not above the black man nor the black above the white nor the Arab above the non-Arab or the non-Arab above the Arab" he also told us Allah (SWT) created us in different ways to recognize each other imagine if we all looked the same no one would recognize one another. But emulation of him is important everyone emulates someone whether be it celebrities or athletes so instead of emulating sinful and non-believing people Muslims should emulate the greatest of men Muhammad (SAAWS) by Allah if he gave us an order we'd follow it. It is required to emulate him this is why we grow long beards and say Salam.

Yeah. So as I was saying, to emulate Mahomet (because yes, Mahomet is his name ) you should try to whiten your skin; don't you think? I mean, after all, if you truly wanna look like him; growing a beard or saying salahm isn't nearly as close as sharing the same pigmentation.

I wish NS had lighter rules on how I could reply to this