Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[Olerand]

Ijtihad is not everybody's prerogative. Not in Sunni Islam at least, or non-denominational but leaning Sunni.

I'm only Fiona do ijtihad to make sure someone is right, to refute someone's case or just for Islamic knowledge. I'm not gonna do ijtihad against Allah (SWT) or the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS).

But again, it is not your prerogative.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I'm only Fiona do ijtihad to make sure someone is right, to refute someone's case or just for Islamic knowledge. I'm not gonna do ijtihad against Allah (SWT) or the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS).

But again, it is not your prerogative.

How do you know what my prerogative is? Tell me my prerogative if you know.

[Olerand]

But again, it is not your prerogative.

How do you know what my prerogative is? Tell me my prerogative if you know.

In Islam, at least Sunni Islam, only the Ulama may exercise Ijtihad. Their opinions are right. Period.

[Kubumba Tribe]

How do you know what my prerogative is? Tell me my prerogative if you know.

In Islam, at least Sunni Islam, only the Ulama may exercise Ijtihad. Their opinions are right. Period.

1: Well what if the Ulama was wrong? Who corrects them?
2: I am not Sunni anymore, so this doesn't really apply to me.

[Olerand]

In Islam, at least Sunni Islam, only the Ulama may exercise Ijtihad. Their opinions are right. Period.

1: Well what if the Ulama was wrong? Who corrects them?
2: I am not Sunni anymore, so this doesn't really apply to me.

They do. And if they don't, then they're not wrong.
You're not Shia, are you?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

1: Well what if the Ulama was wrong? Who corrects them?
2: I am not Sunni anymore, so this doesn't really apply to me.

They do. And if they don't, then they're not wrong.
You're not Shia, are you?

1: Who corrects the Ulama when they're wrong?
2: I typed on this forum that I'm non-Denominational.

[Senegalboy]

They do. And if they don't, then they're not wrong.
You're not Shia, are you?

1: Who corrects the Ulama when they're wrong?
2: I typed on this forum that I'm non-Denominational.

Muslims correct them

[Olerand]

They do. And if they don't, then they're not wrong.
You're not Shia, are you?

1: Who corrects the Ulama when they're wrong?
2: I typed on this forum that I'm non-Denominational.

I already answered this. Refer to above. They do, or otherwise they're not wrong.
Non-denominational, but do you follow Sunni regulations or Shia? They're quite different.

[Olerand]

1: Who corrects the Ulama when they're wrong?
2: I typed on this forum that I'm non-Denominational.

Muslims correct them

Since when can any Sunni adherent override the Ulama's judgments?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

1: Who corrects the Ulama when they're wrong?
2: I typed on this forum that I'm non-Denominational.

I already answered this. Refer to above. They do, or otherwise they're not wrong.
Non-denominational, but do you follow Sunni regulations or Shia? They're quite different.

1: Then those who aren't a part of the Ulama, who are correcting the Ulama are using ijtihad.
2: I follow what the Holy Qur'an and Ahadith's regulations. If they have no ruling, then to the Ulama, which I will check for myself to see if they're right or wrong.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

1: Who corrects the Ulama when they're wrong?
2: I typed on this forum that I'm non-Denominational.

Muslims correct them

I know. I was asking Olerand, since he thinks the Ulama's word is final.

[Olerand]

I already answered this. Refer to above. They do, or otherwise they're not wrong.
Non-denominational, but do you follow Sunni regulations or Shia? They're quite different.

1: Then those who aren't a part of the Ulama, who are correcting the Ulama are using ijtihad.
2: I follow what the Holy Qur'an and Ahadith's regulations. If they have no ruling, then to the Ulama, which I will check for myself to see if they're right or wrong.

No, not in Sunni Islam. Those uneducated about Islam do not get to set the rules, nor correct the Ulama.
Still not your prerogative.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

1: Then those who aren't a part of the Ulama, who are correcting the Ulama are using ijtihad.
2: I follow what the Holy Qur'an and Ahadith's regulations. If they have no ruling, then to the Ulama, which I will check for myself to see if they're right or wrong.

No, not in Sunni Islam. Those uneducated about Islam do not get to set the rules, nor correct the Ulama.
Still not your prerogative.

I'm not setting any rules, I'm checking them. Besides, if the average Muslim doesn't know Al-Islam, and only the Ulama do know, then the Ulama will use their knowledge and say false things about the Deen, oppressing the average Muslim. Also, you're confusing me about this prerogative stuff now. I know my prerogative because it's mine, what I thought my head AlHamdulillah. You are not me.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And Olerand, I typed in the page before this that I am non-Denominational now.

[Olerand]

No, not in Sunni Islam. Those uneducated about Islam do not get to set the rules, nor correct the Ulama.
Still not your prerogative.

I'm not setting any rules, I'm checking them. Besides, if the average Muslim doesn't know Al-Islam, and only the Ulama do know, then the Ulama will use their knowledge and say false things about the Deen, oppressing the average Muslim. Also, you're confusing me about this prerogative stuff now. I know my prerogative because it's mine, what I thought my head AlHamdulillah. You are not me.

But it's not your prerogative to check them.

A prerogative has nothing to do with what you think. A prerogative is:

noun
1.
an exclusive right, privilege, etc., exercised by virtue of rank, office, or the like:
the prerogatives of a senator.
2.
a right, privilege, etc., limited to a specific person or to persons of a particular category:
It was the teacher's prerogative to stop the discussion.
3.
a power, immunity, or the like restricted to a sovereign government or its representative:
The royal prerogative exempts the king from taxation.

According to Sunni Islam, it is a prerogative of the Ulama to interpret Islam and the texts, not yours.

[Olerand]

And Olerand, I typed in the page before this that I am non-Denominational now.

But who do you follow? For ritualistic purposes, for theological purposes, hell for life, do you follow what the Sunnis do, or the Shia?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I'm not setting any rules, I'm checking them. Besides, if the average Muslim doesn't know Al-Islam, and only the Ulama do know, then the Ulama will use their knowledge and say false things about the Deen, oppressing the average Muslim. Also, you're confusing me about this prerogative stuff now. I know my prerogative because it's mine, what I thought my head AlHamdulillah. You are not me.

But it's not your prerogative to check them.

A prerogative has nothing to do with what you think. A prerogative is:

noun
1.
an exclusive right, privilege, etc., exercised by virtue of rank, office, or the like:
the prerogatives of a senator.
2.
a right, privilege, etc., limited to a specific person or to persons of a particular category:
It was the teacher's prerogative to stop the discussion.
3.
a power, immunity, or the like restricted to a sovereign government or its representative:
The royal prerogative exempts the king from taxation.

According to Sunni Islam, it is a prerogative of the Ulama to interpret Islam and the texts, not yours.

Oh...>w< Sorry for the commotion. But that is in Sunni Islam. I'm not Sunni anymore.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And Olerand, I typed in the page before this that I am non-Denominational now.

But who do you follow? For ritualistic purposes, for theological purposes, hell for life, do you follow what the Sunnis do, or the Shia?

Neither. I don't adhere to any denomination.

[Olerand]

But who do you follow? For ritualistic purposes, for theological purposes, hell for life, do you follow what the Sunnis do, or the Shia?

Neither. I don't adhere to any denomination.

But... The split is fundamental. Even Shia women and Sunni women wrap their hijabs differently. You have to have one you follow, for rules, regulations, rituals etc.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Neither. I don't adhere to any denomination.

But... The split is fundamental. Even Shia women and Sunni women wrap their hijabs differently. You have to have one you follow, for rules, regulations, rituals etc.

Wrapping hijabs isn't drastic enough to spilt ourselves from other Muslims. I don't follow what people who split their Deen say, I follow what Allah (SWT) and the Prophet (SAWS) say. I check what the Ulama say.

[Socialist Nordia]

But who do you follow? For ritualistic purposes, for theological purposes, hell for life, do you follow what the Sunnis do, or the Shia?

Neither. I don't adhere to any denomination.

Was Abu bakr the rightful caliph to succeed Mohammad, or was it Ali? That was the original cause for the split.

[Olerand]

But... The split is fundamental. Even Shia women and Sunni women wrap their hijabs differently. You have to have one you follow, for rules, regulations, rituals etc.

Wrapping hijabs isn't drastic enough to spilt ourselves from other Muslims. I don't follow what people who split their Deen say, I follow what Allah (SWT) and the Prophet (SAWS) say. I check what the Ulama say.

... Yeah... Anyway...

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Neither. I don't adhere to any denomination.

Was Abu bakr the rightful caliph to succeed Mohammad, or was it Ali? That was the original cause for the split.

Depends on who was elected or who Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) chose.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Wrapping hijabs isn't drastic enough to spilt ourselves from other Muslims. I don't follow what people who split their Deen say, I follow what Allah (SWT) and the Prophet (SAWS) say. I check what the Ulama say.

... Yeah... Anyway...

Yeah anyway what?

[Turkish-Turan]

I want to ask, do you guys believe in Hadiths?
Now before I begin I want to say I don't believe in most Hadiths, the only thing that was said to be stay untouched and true was Quran, not the Hadiths. I mean one of the most famous Hadith collector, Bukhari wrote some Hadiths that doesn't fits with Islam like "Kill whomever converts into another religion ( From Islam)" meanwhile in Quran it clearly states that everyone can practice their religion, we are not to be mess with them, only Allah can punish them. There are so many Hadiths he wrote in his books. Some of them can't be true. If I remember it correctly he wrote the thing about Hazrat Aisha was 6 years old meanwhile S.A.W was 50 years old. Meh. Maybe they changed Bukhari's writings too but I don't believe in any of them except harmless things like hadith about how to pray, how Allah doesn't care about our looks or wealth, only cares about our doings and hearts or Muslims who are nice to their wives are the most merciful,compassionate and auspicious. Things like that. Yes, some Hadiths that do not look nice to me are maybe the true ones but still, unreliable. And believing in those harmless hadiths doesn't make you a bad person.