Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[Greater Tezdrian]

Alsheb, are you no longer a Quranist?

[Alsheb]

Alsheb, are you no longer a Quranist?

I still am, mostly. Although in certain cases, provided there is an undeniably solid chain of transmission, I would be able to accept certain hadiths. Generally though, I try to trace back Islamic habits and ruling to the Qur'an, and disregard those traditions that have no basis in it.

[Knarkrike]

In light of the most recent terrorist attack in Berlin whose perpetrator is rumored to be Muslim (the fact of the matter being unclear, say Berlin police), I feel inclined to post this. This is a compilation of stats of all failed, foiled and completed terrorist attacks in Europe from 2006 to 2015. The sources of these tables, Europol's terrorism reports, can be found here. It shows the main motivations behind acts of terror and that religiously motivated attacks are among the lowest in numbers, falling behind separatist, not specified and left-wing terrorist attacks. With this, I hope we can halt the Islamophobia for at least one goddamn second and respect those mourning the victims.

[Itoshiki]

In light of the most recent terrorist attack in Berlin whose perpetrator is rumored to be Muslim (the fact of the matter being unclear, say Berlin police), I feel inclined to post this. This is a compilation of stats of all failed, foiled and completed terrorist attacks in Europe from 2006 to 2015. The sources of these tables, Europol's terrorism reports, can be found here. It shows the main motivations behind acts of terror and that religiously motivated attacks are among the lowest in numbers, falling behind separatist, not specified and left-wing terrorist attacks. With this, I hope we can halt the Islamophobia for at least one goddamn second and respect those mourning the victims.

Facts and statistics don't account for much people's opinion, unfortunately.

[Knarkrike]

In light of the most recent terrorist attack in Berlin whose perpetrator is rumored to be Muslim (the fact of the matter being unclear, say Berlin police), I feel inclined to post this. This is a compilation of stats of all failed, foiled and completed terrorist attacks in Europe from 2006 to 2015. The sources of these tables, Europol's terrorism reports, can be found here. It shows the main motivations behind acts of terror and that religiously motivated attacks are among the lowest in numbers, falling behind separatist, not specified and left-wing terrorist attacks. With this, I hope we can halt the Islamophobia for at least one goddamn second and respect those mourning the victims.

Facts and statistics don't account for much people's opinion, unfortunately.

Not unless they corroborate their preexisting agendas, they don't.

[Aelex]

In light of the most recent terrorist attack in Berlin whose perpetrator is rumored to be Muslim (the fact of the matter being unclear, say Berlin police), I feel inclined to post this. This is a compilation of stats of all failed, foiled and completed terrorist attacks in Europe from 2006 to 2015. The sources of these tables, Europol's terrorism reports, can be found here. It shows the main motivations behind acts of terror and that religiously motivated attacks are among the lowest in numbers, falling behind separatist, not specified and left-wing terrorist attacks. With this, I hope we can halt the Islamophobia for at least one goddamn second and respect those mourning the victims.

And yet, if you look at the four last years...

[Hashemite Arabiyah]

I feel compelled, as a Muslim, to point out that Islamic terror is disproportionately harmful; and not hide behind statistics, however well-meaning. We as a community need to admit that terror is our problem and work on ways to fix it.

[Knarkrike]

In light of the most recent terrorist attack in Berlin whose perpetrator is rumored to be Muslim (the fact of the matter being unclear, say Berlin police), I feel inclined to post this. This is a compilation of stats of all failed, foiled and completed terrorist attacks in Europe from 2006 to 2015. The sources of these tables, Europol's terrorism reports, can be found here. It shows the main motivations behind acts of terror and that religiously motivated attacks are among the lowest in numbers, falling behind separatist, not specified and left-wing terrorist attacks. With this, I hope we can halt the Islamophobia for at least one goddamn second and respect those mourning the victims.

And yet, if you look at the four last years...

See the full picture, still one of the smallest in amount of attacks as well as death tolls, read your own source, etc.

Still one of the smallest amounts of terrorist attacks as well as deaths by terrorist attacks according to both your sources and mine. Tell me something I didn't already know. Even better, look at the whole picture. Read the sources I gave, maybe. Hell, reading the sources you gave yourself wouldn't be half bad. You're not a genius who revealed some grand new truth by pulling stats sourced with Wikipedia, with its list of attacks out of which probably half is not cited anyway. I'm here to provide perspective to the issue because that's what you clearly need. I really doubt you react the same to any other form of terrorism than the Islam-inspired kind. Learn to maybe react in some other way than knee-jerking, too. That'd help as well.

[Aelex]

See the full picture, still one of the smallest in amount of attacks as well as death tolls, read your own source, etc.

And by seeing the full picture we can observe that, since the end of the Cold War where leftist terrorism was very common, Islamic Terrorism has become the major source of terrorism in Europe, with no indication of this trend reversing but quite the contrary rather, despite muslims being a minority here.

[Knarkrike]

See the full picture, still one of the smallest in amount of attacks as well as death tolls, read your own source, etc.

And by seeing the full picture we can observe that, since the end of the Cold War where leftist terrorism was very common, Islamic Terrorism has become the major source of terrorism in Europe, with no indication of this trend reversing but quite the contrary rather, despite muslims being a minority here.

Once again, you're full of shit.

Yeaaaaah, since despite my link you're still continuing to claim that shit, I'm just gonna leave a couple of exemples here, just to show how full of shit you are in your estimation of casualties.

I wonder why you can't respond to my comment. Might be because you keep posting only Islamic attacks and ignoring the rest. How objective and truthful of you totally not trying to further an agenda by cherry-picking your years out of the bigger picture, which even your own goddamn source shows. Out of last 10 years' terrorist attacks, about 1.1% consisted of religiously inspired terrorist attacks.

Out of your 45 years 20 had Islamic terrorist attacks, of which only four saw the death toll of Islamic attacks rise to 50-200 deaths per year. This is why you need perspective with issues like these. Otherwise you'll show to the internet how much of a bigoted ass you've made you made yourself. Don't believe me, look at the genius' graph yourself. http://www.datagraver.com/thumbs/1300x1300r/2016-12/terror20161220-i2.png

To respond to your shit once more; first of all, the "smallest" part is bullshit and insulting to the family of the hundreds of victims who died each year to them.

I said one of the smallest, but of course you had to twist that. It's a fair estimate based on facts that you're triggered by because your agenda keeps on taking hits from them.

That apart, having less death from Islamic terrorism today than from leftist one during the cold war is hardly something to be "proud of".

Again not what I said. The reason I'm pointing these things out is to provide perspective to anti-Islamic scaremongers like yourself who see and point out nothing but Islamic terrorist attacks.

Secondly, by looking at "the whole picture", we can see that Islamic Terrorism has been not a but the major source of Terrorism in Europe for the last half-decade despite muslims being a minority in all Europeans countries (apart from Albania).

Ah yes. What you're doing has a name. It's called cherry-picking.

Thirdly, I'm merely pointing out how much bullshit you're spouting when you're claiming that "hardly anyone died in Islamic Terror Attack" because this is obvious crap. If that trigger you so much, sad for you, but you're still wrong nonetheless.

Of course, I never said that anywhere, but do go on with the pathetic accusations. Again, if facts trigger you, maybe update your opinions or pack it in. It's not gonna stop anytime soon.

Fourthly, you're providing no "perspective"; you're whining about people thinking it's likely to have been an Islamic Terrorist attack when all facts seems to point toward it just because it doesn't suit your ideology.

The facts point to the perp being just about anyone, as said by the Berlin police. But no, it's a Muslim because, uh, people think it is!

Fifthly, Islamic Terrorism unlike nationalist or leftist/rightist one is foreign to Europe but it's not because of that I react to it. It's because no other form of terrorism has killed so many of my compatriots in the last few years as it did, giving me no reason to have as bad of an opinion of them.

Again, read your own source.

[Aelex]

Once again, you're full of shit.

Pot, I'm not a kettle.

[Hashemite Arabiyah]

Pls stahp cluttering our nice clean thread with your running feud >>

[Itoshiki]

I feel compelled, as a Muslim, to point out that Islamic terror is disproportionately harmful; and not hide behind statistics, however well-meaning. We as a community need to admit that terror is our problem and work on ways to fix it.

I agree with this. That the narrative is hijacked is another different fight entirely.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Pls stahp cluttering our nice clean thread with your running feud >>

Makes the thing get done faster

[Jochizyd Republic]

Yeah. Radical Islam is the greatest perpetrator of terrorism in the west right now and needs to go down.

[Hashemite Arabiyah]

Pls stahp cluttering our nice clean thread with your running feud >>

Makes the thing get done faster

Speaking of, I think we need a spicier next thread title than "Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٣", which you've proposed. It's boring

Also, watching Ummah.com and others fulminate against Ahmadis is funny but also kinda scary 0.0

[Jochizyd Republic]

Makes the thing get done faster

Speaking of, I think we need a spicier next thread title than "Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٣", which you've proposed. It's boring

Also, watching Ummah.com and others fulminate against Ahmadis is funny but also kinda scary 0.0

It should be respectful of the faith. Nothing wrong with titling it like that.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Makes the thing get done faster

Speaking of, I think we need a spicier next thread title than "Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٣", which you've proposed. It's boring

Also, watching Ummah.com and others fulminate against Ahmadis is funny but also kinda scary 0.0

Yeah. Ahmadi beleifs are heterodox and revisionist. But they don't do anything warranting the amount of rage they get.

[Hashemite Arabiyah]

Speaking of, I think we need a spicier next thread title than "Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٣", which you've proposed. It's boring

Also, watching Ummah.com and others fulminate against Ahmadis is funny but also kinda scary 0.0

It should be respectful of the faith. Nothing wrong with titling it like that.

Can it at least be "Muslim Discussion Thread ٣" to make abbreviating easier?

[Jochizyd Republic]

It should be respectful of the faith. Nothing wrong with titling it like that.

Can it at least be "Muslim Discussion Thread ٣" to make abbreviating easier?

Hmm.
Well,
Islamic Discussion Thread combines the two.

[Jochizyd Republic]

And I promise, I won't make the thread boring.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Alsheb, are you no longer a Quranist?

I still am, mostly. Although in certain cases, provided there is an undeniably solid chain of transmission, I would be able to accept certain hadiths. Generally though, I try to trace back Islamic habits and ruling to the Qur'an, and disregard those traditions that have no basis in it.

There's already a vast tradition of learned scholars that did that.

[Hashemite Arabiyah]

Can it at least be "Muslim Discussion Thread ٣" to make abbreviating easier?

Hmm.
Well,
Islamic Discussion Thread combines the two.

I'd support Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Jochizyd Republic]

Hmm.
Well,
Islamic Discussion Thread combines the two.

I'd support Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

Byootiful

[Knarkrike]

Pls stahp cluttering our nice clean thread with your running feud >>

Right. Excuse me. It's in the thread it belongs.