Islam/Muslim Discussion Thread ٢

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Ho, you mean when Mahomet caused a war by raiding caravans and then ethnic cleansed the poor Quraysh who were the ones who were defending themselves from the Muslims who had expelled two Jewish tribes already. Sure.
And be fair with this poor Al-Baghdadi. He didn't start to slaughter people out of nowhere. He merely emulated Mahomet's own method of conversion, that's to say : raiding some city where he and his follower will kill the men, rape the women and enslave the children before giving to everyone the "choice" between conversion and beheadment. Keeps in mind that he also have the same goal as him, that's to say create his own little Empire.

And why was Muhammad in Medina in the first place? He wasn't holidaying, that's for sure.
Also, strange way to describe the Muslim conquest of Mecca, especially considering that when the Muslims entered the city and took it, this took a grand total of zero lives.

Wasn't it like when the Muslim army came in, the Meccans surrendered?

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

And why was Muhammad in Medina in the first place? He wasn't holidaying, that's for sure.
Also, strange way to describe the Muslim conquest of Mecca, especially considering that when the Muslims entered the city and took it, this took a grand total of zero lives.

Wasn't it like when the Muslim army came in, the Meccans surrendered?

Yes they used a scare tactic they used tourches each soldier and marched in large formations and when the Pagans saw this the number of Muslims from Medina the Muhajireen wal Ansar they became terrified and surrounded in fear of the Muslim's army numbers.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... isha-truth On Aisha (RA) and Prophet Muhammad's (SAWS) marriage.

[Olerand]

I don't need the apologia. The Ulama's opinion is drawn. Again, it is they who matter.

I can't believe you actually know this

My father is an Islamologue. I know plenty. My opposition to all but liberal modern Islam isn't from ignorance, it's because I actually do know, and find the beliefs reprehensible.

I don't need the apologia. The Ulama's opinion is drawn. Again, it is they who matter.

And you're not gonna question it?

Not my place to do so. I am not a Alim, not even a Muslim.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I can't believe you actually know this

My father is an Islamologue. I know plenty. My opposition to all but liberal modern Islam isn't from ignorance, it's because I actually do know, and find the beliefs reprehensible.

And you're not gonna question it?

Not my place to do so. I am not a Alim, not even a Muslim.

1: Al-Islam is Al-Islam. There is no liberal modern form of it because that would be haram.
2: I understand you. But if you recognize something outside the Islamic fold, speak out.

[Olerand]

My father is an Islamologue. I know plenty. My opposition to all but liberal modern Islam isn't from ignorance, it's because I actually do know, and find the beliefs reprehensible.


Not my place to do so. I am not a Alim, not even a Muslim.

1: Al-Islam is Al-Islam. There is no liberal modern form of it because that would be haram.
2: I understand you. But if you recognize something outside the Islamic fold, speak out.

Mhm, right.

No, not my place. The Ulama regulate Islam, and I refer to their judgments.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

1: Al-Islam is Al-Islam. There is no liberal modern form of it because that would be haram.
2: I understand you. But if you recognize something outside the Islamic fold, speak out.

Mhm, right.

No, not my place. The Ulama regulate Islam, and I refer to their judgments.

You'd go to the Ulama before you go to God (SWT)?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Gotta make salah, brb.

[Olerand]

Mhm, right.

No, not my place. The Ulama regulate Islam, and I refer to their judgments.

You'd go to the Ulama before you go to God (SWT)?

Well... God doesn't pick up the phone when I call... So, at least they pick up the phone. In the Mid-East, they even have shows on TV where people call in and they tell them what is haram and what is halal. So...

[El-Amin Caliphate]

You'd go to the Ulama before you go to God (SWT)?

Well... God doesn't pick up the phone when I call... So, at least they pick up the phone. In the Mid-East, they even have shows on TV where people call in and they tell them what is haram and what is halal. So...

>facepalm< You must not know how easy it is to look to God (SWT) for answers with that mentality.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

http://www.islamicity.org/3390/at-what- ... mmad-pbuh/ This is some great stuff!

[Olerand]

Well... God doesn't pick up the phone when I call... So, at least they pick up the phone. In the Mid-East, they even have shows on TV where people call in and they tell them what is haram and what is halal. So...

>facepalm< You must not know how easy it is to look to God (SWT) for answers with that mentality.

Mhm, yes...

[Kubumba Tribe]

>facepalm< You must not know how easy it is to look to God (SWT) for answers with that mentality.

Mhm, yes...

Was that sarcasm or real?

[Olerand]

Mhm, yes...

Was that sarcasm or real?

I believe it was the first.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Was that sarcasm or real?

I believe it was the first.

Ok.

[Darussalam]

Mhm, right.

No, not my place. The Ulama regulate Islam, and I refer to their judgments.

You'd go to the Ulama before you go to God (SWT)?

There's no God, His 'love and compassion' is only alleged and trumped by man. Meanwhile, the clerics are pretty much real and exert actual influence on Muslims.

[Kubumba Tribe]

You'd go to the Ulama before you go to God (SWT)?

There's no God, His 'love and compassion' is only alleged and trumped by man. Meanwhile, the clerics are pretty much real and exert actual influence on Muslims.

You're atheist I see.

[Communist Xomaniax]

K you're right I was wrong fine you caught me yes i was absolutely wrong I just don't know how to explain this topic very well because you have a bias against the actions of Muhammad (SAAWS) he was God's Prophet and did absolutely no wrong and his marriage to Aisha is accecpted and loved by Allah we have no care what you disbelievers say none at all your verdict on the matter and what your unIslamic culture says is nothing not even half an atom's weight compared to the judgment of Allah.

I dunno man. Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to give Mohammad some leeway given that, stripped of all the mysticism, he was just another warlord and conqueror in an age where both were quite common, and compared to a lot of medieval warlords and conquerors he was okay. But it's hard for me to believe, even hypothetically, that a dude with god's lips to his ear would rape a little girl, which if Aisha was that young when things were "consummated" it boils down to. I find it extremely difficult to believe that a supposedly all knowing, all loving god would willingly choose a pedophile rapist as his prophet.

So by my own views either Mohammad was either A: a mad man who deluded himself and others around him into believing him some kind of holy man, B: he willfully manipulated people into following him blindly, C: Aisha was in fact much older, or D: god is totally cool with child rape.

A, B, and D are terrifying. I would hope you'd argue that C was the right one, though I'm not exactly shocked that you chose D.

[Alsheb]

And why was Muhammad in Medina in the first place? He wasn't holidaying, that's for sure.
Also, strange way to describe the Muslim conquest of Mecca, especially considering that when the Muslims entered the city and took it, this took a grand total of zero lives.

Wasn't it like when the Muslim army came in, the Meccans surrendered?

Abu Sufyan and most of the Quraysh military leadership had already decided that continued resistance was futile before the Medinan army even showed up.

[Alsheb]

K you're right I was wrong fine you caught me yes i was absolutely wrong I just don't know how to explain this topic very well because you have a bias against the actions of Muhammad (SAAWS) he was God's Prophet and did absolutely no wrong and his marriage to Aisha is accecpted and loved by Allah we have no care what you disbelievers say none at all your verdict on the matter and what your unIslamic culture says is nothing not even half an atom's weight compared to the judgment of Allah.

I dunno man. Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to give Mohammad some leeway given that, stripped of all the mysticism, he was just another warlord and conqueror in an age where both were quite common, and compared to a lot of medieval warlords and conquerors he was okay. But it's hard for me to believe, even hypothetically, that a dude with god's lips to his ear would rape a little girl, which if Aisha was that young when things were "consummated" it boils down to. I find it extremely difficult to believe that a supposedly all knowing, all loving god would willingly choose a pedophile rapist as his prophet.

So by my own views either Mohammad was either A: a mad man who deluded himself and others around him into believing him some kind of holy man, B: he willfully manipulated people into following him blindly, C: Aisha was in fact much older, or D: god is totally cool with child rape.

A, B, and D are terrifying. I would hope you'd argue that C was the right one, though I'm not exactly shocked that you chose D.

It's rather commonly accepted that their marriage wasn't consummated until a much later age. They didn't even marry when Aisha was 9, that was just the betrothal.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I dunno man. Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to give Mohammad some leeway given that, stripped of all the mysticism, he was just another warlord and conqueror in an age where both were quite common, and compared to a lot of medieval warlords and conquerors he was okay. But it's hard for me to believe, even hypothetically, that a dude with god's lips to his ear would rape a little girl, which if Aisha was that young when things were "consummated" it boils down to. I find it extremely difficult to believe that a supposedly all knowing, all loving god would willingly choose a pedophile rapist as his prophet.

So by my own views either Mohammad was either A: a mad man who deluded himself and others around him into believing him some kind of holy man, B: he willfully manipulated people into following him blindly, C: Aisha was in fact much older, or D: god is totally cool with child rape.

A, B, and D are terrifying. I would hope you'd argue that C was the right one, though I'm not exactly shocked that you chose D.

It's rather commonly accepted that their marriage wasn't consummated until a much later age. They didn't even marry when Aisha was 9, that was just the betrothal.

Aisha's (RA) age ranges from 9 - 19.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur ... 06495.html

[Kubumba Tribe]

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur ... 11276.html Watch the video too.

[The Scandinavian Kingdom Of Norway]

Is it haram if i make my hair look like Arturo Vidal's hair

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[El-Amin Caliphate]

Is it haram if i make my hair look like Arturo Vidal's hair

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...no...why?