[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread III

[Ameriganastan]

How quick you are to squander the right for which so many have fought and died.

Nothing worse than people who Feel the Bern because it was the hip thing to do and then scream "SELLOUT" when he does the one thing to give the Political Revolution a real chance to survive and spread.

I wasn't doing it cause it was hip. I was doing it cause the other options are a xenophobic bigot, and a lying nitwit. And now, that's all that's left.

[Galloism]

How quick you are to squander the right for which so many have fought and died.

Nothing worse than people who Feel the Bern because it was the hip thing to do and then scream "SELLOUT" when he does the one thing to give the Political Revolution a real chance to survive and spread.

Honestly, I don't see the complaint. The DNC corruption is, of course, problematic, but Bernie also got most of his platform adopted into the democratic platform.

He also got Hillary to commit to most of it, and him and Warren will be in the senate to hold her to it. He probably gained more in a loss than most presidential candidates have ever done.

What's the bitching about?

[Occupied Deutschland]

I'm not voting AT ALL.

How quick you are to squander the right for which so many have fought and died.

The right to choose between a douche...And a turd.

[Gauthier]

Nothing worse than people who Feel the Bern because it was the hip thing to do and then scream "SELLOUT" when he does the one thing to give the Political Revolution a real chance to survive and spread.

Honestly, I don't see the complaint. The DNC corruption is, of course, problematic, but Bernie also got most of his platform adopted into the democratic platform.

He also got Hillary to commit to most of it, and him and Warren will be in the senate to hold her to it. He probably gained more in a loss than most presidential candidates have ever done.

What's the bitching about?

People are sodiumed up that Bernie supported Hillary instead of trying to be the messianic figure they all wanted.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Out of spite.

People like you are doing far more to try to hand the election to Trump than Bernie ever could, or would.

No, they did that all by themselves by nominating Clinton.

No, they chose to nominate Clinton, not to elect Trump. You are the one who is choosing not to vote for a woman who is pushing for an enormously progressive platform because you didn't get what you wanted. That's fine, but don't put it on the Democrats.

And by the way, the "them" you're speaking of were the voters in the primaries and caucuses. Unless you're going to make the unsupportable but common argument that she won through a massive conspiracy of cheating involving holders of statewide offices of bot parties across the country, and media collusion (including Fox), then that's who you need to be pointing the finger at. And also at the Sanders campaign for not getting the vote out enough, or making their case well enough.

[Gauthier]

How quick you are to squander the right for which so many have fought and died.

The right to choose between a douche...And a turd.

A South Park meme. How utterly insightful and persuasive.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

How quick you are to squander the right for which so many have fought and died.

The right to choose between a douche...And a turd.

Oh my God, it's a tired and overplayed South Park clip! Such a display of wit will surely take the place of an actual argument.

[Talvezout]

Don't know if this is the right area to talk about it, but wouldn't it be better for Sanders, Warren, and their ilk to be in the Senate?

Because while the President gets to do all of the flashy stuff, the Congress is the one who actually drafts and vote on stuff.

Thus, if Sanders and co are in the Senate, they have a much greater chance of bringing change in.

That is, if he gets his followers to be excited about voting in midterm elections, the elections that really matter.

[Galloism]

The right to choose between a douche...And a turd.

A South Park meme. How utterly insightful and persuasive.

How about a Starcraft Meme?

[Myrensis]

Out of spite.

People like you are doing far more to try to hand the election to Trump than Bernie ever could, or would.

No, they did that all by themselves by nominating Clinton.

"I didn't get my way, I'm taking my ball and going home!"

Fun fact bubby: If the Democrats lose this election to a tough guy caricature and a Republican party that has put forth one of it's most regressive platforms in decades, the lesson learned isn't going to be "Oh, we should have reached out more to those bitter Sanders supportes who declared Sanders himself too impure for them." it's going to be "The progressives are a toxic dead end of crazy, we need to shift back hard to the center and yank the rug out from beneath the Republicans like we did after Reagan."

So...congratulations, you'll be able to stroke your ego about how pure you were and how you refused to compromise your principles, and all it cost was shifting the country firmly back to the right and ensuring that all those progressive ideas you claim to believe in are put on the backburner for at least a generation.

The Bernie or Bust are the worst kind of ivory tower liberals, whining and demanding change, but refusing to get their hands dirty to achieve it and priding themselves on their purity and principle for it.

[Ameriganastan]

No, they chose to nominate Clinton, not to elect Trump. You are the one who is choosing not to vote for a woman who is pushing for an enormously progressive platform because you didn't get what you wanted. That's fine, but don't put it on the Democrats.

Oh, I'm putting this on both sides. The Republicans for nominating a spray tanned fuckhead, and the democrats for electing a moron who doesn't have a snowballs chance in being him.

[Occupied Deutschland]

The right to choose between a douche...And a turd.

A South Park meme. How utterly insightful and persuasive.

It was actually a video clip, not a meme.

[Ameriganastan]

No, they did that all by themselves by nominating Clinton.

"I didn't get my way, I'm taking my ball and going home!"

Fun fact bubby: If the Democrats lose this election to a tough guy caricature and a Republican party that has put forth one of it's most regressive platforms in decades, the lesson learned isn't going to be "Oh, we should have reached out more to those bitter Sanders supportes who declared Sanders himself too impure for them." it's going to be "The progressives are a toxic dead end of crazy, we need to shift back hard to the center and yank the rug out from beneath the Republicans like we did after Reagan."

So...congratulations, you'll be able to stroke your ego about how pure you were and how you refused to compromise your principles, and all it cost was shifting the country firmly back to the right and ensuring that all those progressive ideas you claim to believe in are put on the backburner for at least a generation.

The Bernie or Bust are the worst kind of ivory tower liberals, whining and demanding change, but refusing to get their hands dirty to achieve it and priding themselves on their purity and principle for it.

I am not a liberal. I'm not an anything.

[The Romulan Republic]

No, they chose to nominate Clinton, not to elect Trump. You are the one who is choosing not to vote for a woman who is pushing for an enormously progressive platform because you didn't get what you wanted. That's fine, but don't put it on the Democrats.

Oh, I'm putting this on both sides. The Republicans for nominating a spray tanned fuckhead, and the democrats for electing a moron who doesn't have a snowballs chance in being him.

The polls do not agree with your estimation of Clinton's chances.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

A South Park meme. How utterly insightful and persuasive.

How about a Starcraft Meme?

It's at least somewhat closer to the truth, if not entirely on target, and gives some sense of the situation at hand rather than being a banal generalization.

[Occupied Deutschland]

The right to choose between a douche...And a turd.

Oh my God, it's a tired and overplayed South Park clip! Such a display of wit will surely take the place of an actual argument.

What argument is necessary for a tired and overplayed argument based on how 'Merica's brave soldiers of yesteryear gave their lives specifically so someone would vote for another person's preferred candidate instead of doing something else?

[Gauthier]

No, they chose to nominate Clinton, not to elect Trump. You are the one who is choosing not to vote for a woman who is pushing for an enormously progressive platform because you didn't get what you wanted. That's fine, but don't put it on the Democrats.

Oh, I'm putting this on both sides. The Republicans for nominating a spray tanned fuckhead, and the democrats for electing a moron who doesn't have a snowballs chance in being him.

No, you're just sour that you didn't get Bernie Sanders as the Messiah Nominee and he decided to do the one thing to really get the Political Revolution going.

[Galloism]

How about a Starcraft Meme?

It's at least somewhat closer to the truth, if not entirely on target, and gives some sense of the situation at hand rather than being a banal generalization.

It's sort of how I feel. Of course the pronoun should be adjusted, but there you go.

I was sort of impressed by Bill's story - I didn't remember Hillary being involved in the whole CHIP thing. Alcohol may be a factor. I'm also impressed how personally she got involved in defunding segregated colleges. I didn't remember that either.

So... + 5 points for historical activisim. I might learn to go from 'acceptance' to 'sort of positive about' if they keep this up.

[Ameriganastan]

Oh, I'm putting this on both sides. The Republicans for nominating a spray tanned fuckhead, and the democrats for electing a moron who doesn't have a snowballs chance in being him.

No, you're just sour that you didn't get Bernie Sanders as the Messiah Nominee and he decided to do the one thing to really get the Political Revolution going.

I'm "sour", cause Trump just won the goddamn presidency.

[Galloism]

No, you're just sour that you didn't get Bernie Sanders as the Messiah Nominee and he decided to do the one thing to really get the Political Revolution going.

I'm "sour", cause Trump just won the goddamn presidency.

Psst, you can do your part to prevent that by showing up and voting for Hillary.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

No, they chose to nominate Clinton, not to elect Trump. You are the one who is choosing not to vote for a woman who is pushing for an enormously progressive platform because you didn't get what you wanted. That's fine, but don't put it on the Democrats.

Oh, I'm putting this on both sides. The Republicans for nominating a spray tanned fuckhead, and the democrats for electing a moron who doesn't have a snowballs chance in being him.

She has an enormous chance of beating him, which is what I'm assuming you meant to type (Not criticizing on that, as I slip up all the time). Trump's current lead WITH a post-convention bounce is less than 1%, which is pathetic after having four days of free airtime to make his case, and is far less than we saw for either McCain or Romney after their conventions.

[Gauthier]

No, you're just sour that you didn't get Bernie Sanders as the Messiah Nominee and he decided to do the one thing to really get the Political Revolution going.

I'm "sour", cause Trump just won the goddamn presidency.

Hey, you're staying home for the election so your prognostication doesn't matter. I mean if you really didn't want Trump to win you'd actually bother to vote.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Oh my God, it's a tired and overplayed South Park clip! Such a display of wit will surely take the place of an actual argument.

What argument is necessary for a tired and overplayed argument based on how 'Merica's brave soldiers of yesteryear gave their lives specifically so someone would vote for another person's preferred candidate instead of doing something else?

That argument is actually for voting at all, not necessarily for a preferred candidate.

[The Romulan Republic]

No, you're just sour that you didn't get Bernie Sanders as the Messiah Nominee and he decided to do the one thing to really get the Political Revolution going.

I'm "sour", cause Trump just won the goddamn presidency.

You want to waste your right to vote, that's your call.

I would appreciate it, however, if you would stop trying to encourage others to do likewise by telling them the election is already lost in fucking July.

[Ameriganastan]

I'm "sour", cause Trump just won the goddamn presidency.

Psst, you can do your part to prevent that by showing up and voting for Hillary.

Oh, this again. The "Your vote matters" spiel. I get this every time I come in here.