Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[The newfound islands]

so you did not watch the videos i'm guessing.

only a fool blindly watches videos posted in an abortion thread.

well why don't you watch them they may educate you on abortion.

[Ardavia]

It's not murder, because it's legal.

it is murder and it should not be legal.

the thing is, unless it's illegal, it is by definition not murder

with that out of the way, if you think those youtube videos provide a good argument to argue for your position, you can summarize those arguments here

[Ashmoria]

yeah she should because a woman has the same right as a man does to control her own body.

so you think that killing an unborn baby should be a right that's sick.

absolutely

a woman has the right to control her own body. it is the basic unit of freedom.

[Ashmoria]

only a fool blindly watches videos posted in an abortion thread.

well why don't you watch them they may educate you on abortion.

if you cant make your own arguments I'm not interested in guessing what you find compelling about abortion videos.

[The newfound islands]

so you think that killing an unborn baby should be a right that's sick.

absolutely

a woman has the right to control her own body. it is the basic unit of freedom.

wow then you are a very sick person if you think that just wow.

[Ashmoria]

absolutely

a woman has the right to control her own body. it is the basic unit of freedom.

wow then you are a very sick person if you think that just wow.

so you don't think women should be free

interesting

[The newfound islands]

wow then you are a very sick person if you think that just wow.

so you don't think women should be free

interesting

no I do think that a women should be free but I'm against killing an innocent life and you know Abortion also kills the mother a little bit inside as well but listen just because i'm against Abortion does not mean I don't want women to be free I mean most of my friends are women.

[Alvecia]

so you don't think women should be free

interesting

no I do think that a women should be free but I'm against killing an innocent life and you know Abortion also kills the mother a little bit inside as well but listen just because i'm against Abortion does not mean I don't want women to be free I mean most of my friends are women.

It does mean that you think the life of the unborn is more important than the soverignty of the woman.
To use an oft cited analogy, If you think that the right to life supercedes bodily autonomy, do you think if a woman is going to be raped and the only way out of it is to kill in self defense, should she just let it happen?

[Ashmoria]

so you don't think women should be free

interesting

no I do think that a women should be free but I'm against killing an innocent life and you know Abortion also kills the mother a little bit inside as well but listen just because i'm against Abortion does not mean I don't want women to be free I mean most of my friends are women.

there is no freedom if you don't have control of your own body.

[The newfound islands]

no I do think that a women should be free but I'm against killing an innocent life and you know Abortion also kills the mother a little bit inside as well but listen just because i'm against Abortion does not mean I don't want women to be free I mean most of my friends are women.

It does mean that you think the life of the unborn is more important than the soverignty of the woman.
To use an oft cited analogy, If you think that the right to life supercedes bodily autonomy, do you think if a woman is going to be raped and the only way out of it is to kill in self defense, should she just let it happen?

I think that both of their lives are important.

[The V O I D]

Newfound, let me put it simply: the woman's body, the woman's resources; she has control over them. The fetus is using up her body's space and her body's resources, on top of using her as a toilet. There are millions of health complications that could cause her health issues that she might not want to deal with; even in the most healthy of pregnancies.

If the woman does not consent to the fetus using up her body's space; nor her body's resources, it is immediately something similar to a parasite using her as a feeding mechanism and as a toilet, which threatens her health. Thus, she can remove the threat to her health and well being. Her bodily sovereignty overrides any right to life the fetus may have.

The fetus' rights end where the woman's rights begin.

[Equalaria]

Women have a right to thier bodies- men are panicky now that thier total domination of women has been slowly eroding. This is simply a last stand of men trying to hold onto one of the last vestiges of oppression they have in thier control

[The V O I D]

Women have a right to thier bodies- men are panicky now that thier total domination of women has been slowly eroding. This is simply a last stand of men trying to hold onto one of the last vestiges of oppression they have in thier control

Um. No. We've been pro-choice since Roe v. Wade. And this isn't a women's rights discussion thread other than the pro-choice debate.

There are plenty of pro-life women who think other women are being stupid / irresponsible / murderous for getting abortions.

It isn't even just men... it's people in general. Usually, of the religious breed.

[Equalaria]

Women have a right to thier bodies- men are panicky now that thier total domination of women has been slowly eroding. This is simply a last stand of men trying to hold onto one of the last vestiges of oppression they have in thier control

Um. No. We've been pro-choice since Roe v. Wade. And this isn't a women's rights discussion thread other than the pro-choice debate.

There are plenty of pro-life women who think other women are being stupid / irresponsible / murderous for getting abortions.

It isn't even just men... it's people in general. Usually, of the religious breed.

It's always men- this issue is just a microcosm of the larger societal constructions of oppression and subservience that have been forcibly imposed on women by white men. Pro-life nuts are typically men who are terrified at the thought of no longer controlling women, even down to thier natural processes, or complicit women who have been shamed and kowtowed to men.

[The newfound islands]

Newfound, let me put it simply: the woman's body, the woman's resources; she has control over them. The fetus is using up her body's space and her body's resources, on top of using her as a toilet. There are millions of health complications that could cause her health issues that she might not want to deal with; even in the most healthy of pregnancies.

If the woman does not consent to the fetus using up her body's space; nor her body's resources, it is immediately something similar to a parasite using her as a feeding mechanism and as a toilet, which threatens her health. Thus, she can remove the threat to her health and well being. Her bodily sovereignty overrides any right to life the fetus may have.

The fetus' rights end where the woman's rights begin.

that make no sense killing babies is not the answer.

[The newfound islands]

Women have a right to thier bodies- men are panicky now that thier total domination of women has been slowly eroding. This is simply a last stand of men trying to hold onto one of the last vestiges of oppression they have in thier control

hey listen there are women who are against Abortion ok but oh let me guess there not real women.

[Ashmoria]

Newfound, let me put it simply: the woman's body, the woman's resources; she has control over them. The fetus is using up her body's space and her body's resources, on top of using her as a toilet. There are millions of health complications that could cause her health issues that she might not want to deal with; even in the most healthy of pregnancies.

If the woman does not consent to the fetus using up her body's space; nor her body's resources, it is immediately something similar to a parasite using her as a feeding mechanism and as a toilet, which threatens her health. Thus, she can remove the threat to her health and well being. Her bodily sovereignty overrides any right to life the fetus may have.

The fetus' rights end where the woman's rights begin.

that make no sense killing babies is not the answer.

it is quite often the answer.

90% are early abortions where it is no one else's business and the rest are out of dire need.

[Wallenburg]

Women have a right to thier bodies- men are panicky now that thier total domination of women has been slowly eroding. This is simply a last stand of men trying to hold onto one of the last vestiges of oppression they have in thier control

I'm a guy, and I've supported abortion rights as long as I can remember. Please leave the radical feminist bullshit out of here. This is about abortion, not an imaginary gender war.

Newfound, let me put it simply: the woman's body, the woman's resources; she has control over them. The fetus is using up her body's space and her body's resources, on top of using her as a toilet. There are millions of health complications that could cause her health issues that she might not want to deal with; even in the most healthy of pregnancies.

If the woman does not consent to the fetus using up her body's space; nor her body's resources, it is immediately something similar to a parasite using her as a feeding mechanism and as a toilet, which threatens her health. Thus, she can remove the threat to her health and well being. Her bodily sovereignty overrides any right to life the fetus may have.

The fetus' rights end where the woman's rights begin.

that make no sense killing babiesfetuses is not the answer.

FTFY. Then what is the answer?

[The V O I D]

Um. No. We've been pro-choice since Roe v. Wade. And this isn't a women's rights discussion thread other than the pro-choice debate.

There are plenty of pro-life women who think other women are being stupid / irresponsible / murderous for getting abortions.

It isn't even just men... it's people in general. Usually, of the religious breed.

It's always men- this issue is just a microcosm of the larger societal constructions of oppression and subservience that have been forcibly imposed on women by white men. Pro-life nuts are typically men who are terrified at the thought of no longer controlling women, even down to thier natural processes, or complicit women who have been shamed and kowtowed to men.

That is actually untrue. Only about 50% of men are pro-life, while with women it's a roller-coaster jumping up and down between around 40% to 60%, never really staying consistent when censuses are taken. With men, it's usually 55% is the max in recent years for pro-life. The lowest its been is around 30%, better off than women.

Can't ignore statistics in favor of your worldview, friend. Men are only worse than women in this debate when they are at their highest pro-life numbers, and that's only if the pro-life women side of things isn't above 55% at that time. And when at their lowest numbers for pro-lifers, it seems men are far more pro-choice than women.

And most of them are usually very, very religious; it has to do with "religion" and being for theocracy and god's law, and obeying a 2,000 year old book.

As for the other 'oppressive' things - the wage gap? Once you take into account job requirements, job hours, what the job actually does, where the jobs are, and all the other really important factors to calculate this; the wage gap MAGICALLY DISAPPEARS. The wage gap only appears if you assume that all women have the same jobs as all men, and vice versa; when this is simply not the case, as not all women go for the same jobs as all men; and not even all men go for them.

The supposed "rape culture"? If a man is accused of rape, he can lose his job, never get a new job very easily, in college he can lose college education/degrees, he can end up being shamed and attacked, among other things. He need be only accused; doesn't matter if he's convicted or if it was a false accusation. While the woman who accused him gets treated like a queen, even if she falsely accused him.

The "sexualization" or objectification of women? Men are just as objectified and sexualized as women are in magazines and popular culture. Denying this is blatant and willful ignorance to the facts. Both are bad, in my opinion.

I could go on but I don't want to derail the thread, so let's please stay on topic.

[The V O I D]

Newfound, let me put it simply: the woman's body, the woman's resources; she has control over them. The fetus is using up her body's space and her body's resources, on top of using her as a toilet. There are millions of health complications that could cause her health issues that she might not want to deal with; even in the most healthy of pregnancies.

If the woman does not consent to the fetus using up her body's space; nor her body's resources, it is immediately something similar to a parasite using her as a feeding mechanism and as a toilet, which threatens her health. Thus, she can remove the threat to her health and well being. Her bodily sovereignty overrides any right to life the fetus may have.

The fetus' rights end where the woman's rights begin.

that make no sense killing babies is not the answer.

The only way to make it stop using her body's space or her body's resources, the FETUS (not baby, babies are already born) must be removed and/or cut off from her resources. This ends in the fetus' death, usually, but that cannot be helped.

[The V O I D]

Videos are not good sources, as they can be biased. Abortion does kill, but that's an unfortunate side effect. It is not murder, and it doesn't kill babies; babies are born. Fetuses are what die. It is an unfortunate side effect of the woman saying no to giving the fetus her body's space and her body's resources, but you cannot force a woman to accept it.

so you're for the murdering of babies you are a very sick person then and i'll pray for you.

I'm not religious, and it isn't sick to let a woman control her body's space and resources. And they are not babies. Babies are already born. It's a fetus.

[Xadufell]

Um. No. We've been pro-choice since Roe v. Wade. And this isn't a women's rights discussion thread other than the pro-choice debate.

There are plenty of pro-life women who think other women are being stupid / irresponsible / murderous for getting abortions.

It isn't even just men... it's people in general. Usually, of the religious breed.

It's always men- this issue is just a microcosm of the larger societal constructions of oppression and subservience that have been forcibly imposed on women by white men. Pro-life nuts are typically men who are terrified at the thought of no longer controlling women, even down to thier natural processes, or complicit women who have been shamed and kowtowed to men.

The bloody hell are you on about?

[St Nevis And Kitts]

I am prolife and i think tht the unborn deserve every right to leave.

[The V O I D]

I am prolife and i think tht the unborn deserve every right to leave.

Yes, it does have the right to leave the woman's body if the woman doesn't want it. It does not, however, have the right to live inside her without consent.

[The newfound islands]

well how about you all watch these educational videos about Abortion oh and ABORTION KILLS LIVES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZt7QaBbCK0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96TabiK-L2E




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiEt1Afltm0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSiZfC6u160

do you really think we don't know what abortion is?

no I don't thnk you all know what Abortion is you all think that it's just fine to kill a baby but I grew up learning that people that are for the murder of babies are sickos and God does not want us killing innocent lives and yes I'm a PROUD CHRISTIAN and if y'all don't like it well too damn bad and you know why because we have FREEDOM OF RELIGION and my religion says that it's unmoral and wrong to kill an innocent baby and that's all I have to say so good day.