Will Classical Liberalism Kill the Social Justice Left?

[We Couldnt Agree On A Name]

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It's pretty clear you don't know what either movement is about.

[Jochistan]

There is no unified "SJW philosophy". Attempting to look at it this way won't work.

Postmodernist Leftism?

[Huguenoxe]

Maybe they just don't know the connotation.

Social Justice, as in Human Rights, is important to be organized and ensured.

Leftism is not.

The kind of social justice that regressives often advocate is not justice, but retribution for an apparent "Original sin".

Yep, like Slavery "Reparations" for something that happened 400 some years ago and has no relation for most of everyday America or Europe.

[Kazirstan]

No, but classical liberalism will kill the earth and all that live upon it.

[The balkens]

There is no unified "SJW philosophy". Attempting to look at it this way won't work.

Postmodernist Leftism?

Absolute insanity?

[Jochistan]

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It's pretty clear you don't know what either movement is about.

I really, really hate it when people do that.

It's not that I don't understand anything. It's that I have a different way of looking at it than you do.

[Huguenoxe]

No, but classical liberalism will kill the earth and all that live upon it.

Considering your an admitted Globalist, Feminist and LGBTQABCDEFG type that does not surprise me you would side with Ardoki and you admit to supporting the Political Correctness (see Double Think)

[Jochistan]

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It's pretty clear you don't know what either movement is about.

And what two movements?

[Victoriala]

No, but classical liberalism will kill the earth and all that live upon it.

Dude what

Evolutionary theory supports the great way of Social Justice Ideology, for humans evolved to survive and Social Justice involves the removal of all societal elements which act as dead weight and do not assist society in advancing in parallel to time. Society is necessary for survival of most human beings because it provides a framework for Social Justice.

Can you like

Explain yourself better so we can get where ur coming from kthxbai

There is no unified "SJW philosophy". Attempting to look at it this way won't work.

Postmodernist Leftism?

I'm into postmodernism and identify with the left (of center that is). Pls no

Maybe they just don't know the connotation.

Social Justice, as in Human Rights, is important to be organized and ensured.

Leftism is not.

The kind of social justice that regressives often advocate is not justice, but retribution for an apparent "Original sin".

That's the tip of the iceberg. As with /pol/, the Social Justice movement range diversely from Trudeau to Sarkeesian.

[Slarvainian]

Social Justice is the great way forward and is in human nature

Hmmm. Tell me more.

Evolutionary theory supports the great way of Social Justice Ideology, for humans evolved to survive and Social Justice involves the removal of all societal elements which act as dead weight and do not assist society in advancing in parallel to time. Society is necessary for survival of most human beings because it provides a framework for Social Justice.

Evidence? Or is this another Rationalist explanation that makes sense within its own system?

Hopefully something does before they cause too much damage, but I'm not certain classical liberalism has what it takes yet.

We'll see if the future proves me wrong.

I actually think we're gonna see the death of one of their ideas in the near future. Cultural appropriation. I think with the combination of that guy being assaulted over his dreadlocks (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3514848/Black-students-calls-white-man-wearing-dreadlocks-San-Francisco-State-University-viral-video.html) and Milo's visit to Yale (http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/04/06/milo-yiannopoulos-plan-to-wear-native-american-costume-to-yale-causes-chaos/) people are going to see that this is a group of poeple that can't do anything to you if you don't let them.

[Kazirstan]

No, but classical liberalism will kill the earth and all that live upon it.

Considering your an admitted Globalist, Feminist and LGBTQABCDEFG type that does not surprise me you would side with Ardoki and you admit to supporting the PC terrorism.

"PC terrorism" lawl

Does being nice to people strike fear into your heart? Cute.

[The Liberated Territories]

In the atheist USSR, science that contradicted the "science" of Marxist-Leninism was either banned or amended in support of the state. A whole range of sciences were suppressed for being "counter-revolutionary."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppresse ... viet_Union

Now, I ask you, is it really religion that is the cause of hateful and anti-scientific views? Or perhaps it's merely large groups of people with an agenda engaging in a certain form of tribalism, that I think is the real problem.

That was different, and you know it.

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was a country born embedded with the principles of freedom and equality for all humanity. Yes, they made a few little mistakes and were led astray, but you can't deny the principles the USSR fought to protect and promote.

Why is it different from e.g. the Spanish Inquisition, or similar groups that are hateful and bigoted in the name of religion? Both persecuted people based on their beliefs, both were anti-science, both justified bigotry with their philosophy. In fact, I'd bet my money that more people died alone under the USSR's persecution than the history of the Catholic Church. In the year 1838 the author Brownlee estimated that "sixty eight millions and five hundred thousand" people died under the Catholic Church, whilst this graphic references about "94million" deaths under Communist rule. If anything, I would bet they come pretty close in numbers overall.

More info:
http://rodericke.com/were-most-human-de ... d-religion

[The balkens]

Considering your an admitted Globalist, Feminist and LGBTQABCDEFG type that does not surprise me you would side with Ardoki and you admit to supporting the PC terrorism.

"PC terrorism" lawl

Does being nice to people strike fear into your heart? Cute.

But words sure do hurt, do they?

[Huguenoxe]

Considering your an admitted Globalist, Feminist and LGBTQABCDEFG type that does not surprise me you would side with Ardoki and you admit to supporting the PC terrorism.

"PC terrorism" lawl

Does being nice to people strike fear into your heart? Cute.

It's not about being nice to people, its about the historical laws and culture established by years of both Christian protestant/catholic/orthodox/ect/ect and Enlightenment/Renaissance tradition under threat.

[Kazirstan]

No, but classical liberalism will kill the earth and all that live upon it.

Dude what

Classical liberalism = support for capitalism

capitalism = economic system based on endless consumption

endless consumption = unsustainable

[Ardoki]

That was different, and you know it.

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was a country born embedded with the principles of freedom and equality for all humanity. Yes, they made a few little mistakes and were led astray, but you can't deny the principles the USSR fought to protect and promote.

Why is it different from e.g. the Spanish Inquisition, or similar groups that are hateful and bigoted in the name of religion? Both persecuted people based on their beliefs, both were anti-science, both justified bigotry with their philosophy. In fact, I'd bet my money that more people died alone under the USSR's persecution than the history of the Catholic Church. In the year 1838 the author Brownlee estimated that "sixty eight millions and five hundred thousand" people died under the Catholic Church, whilst this graphic references about "94million" deaths under Communist rule. If anything, I would bet they come pretty close in numbers overall.

More info:
http://rodericke.com/were-most-human-de ... d-religion

Don't lie.

Hitler was basically a libertarian, he supported the libertarian ideology of social Darwinism.

[Victoriala]

Considering your an admitted Globalist, Feminist and LGBTQABCDEFG type that does not surprise me you would side with Ardoki and you admit to supporting the PC terrorism.

"PC terrorism" lawl

Does being nice to people strike fear into your heart? Cute.

No. Forcing people to be nice does.

[Huguenoxe]

Considering your an admitted Globalist, Feminist and LGBTQABCDEFG type that does not surprise me you would side with Ardoki and you admit to supporting the PC terrorism.

"PC terrorism" lawl

Does being nice to people strike fear into your heart? Cute.

More over being nice does not mean we ignore biology, a certain group should be put in mental institutions and properly treated so they do not harm themselves, yet your ideology is preventing them that treatment.

[Slarvainian]

No, but classical liberalism will kill the earth and all that live upon it.

Dude what

Evolutionary theory supports the great way of Social Justice Ideology, for humans evolved to survive and Social Justice involves the removal of all societal elements which act as dead weight and do not assist society in advancing in parallel to time. Society is necessary for survival of most human beings because it provides a framework for Social Justice.

Can you like

Explain yourself better so we can get where ur coming from kthxbai

Postmodernist Leftism?

I'm into postmodernism and identify with the left (of center that is). Pls no

The kind of social justice that regressives often advocate is not justice, but retribution for an apparent "Original sin".

That's the tip of the iceberg. As with /pol/, the Social Justice movement range diversely from Trudeau to Sarkeesian.

I wanna make a quick comment for the record about Canada's PM. I honestly don't think he's running the country. I think its the finance minister or someone else in his cabinet that is handling administrative duties while he's gallivanting off being a celebrity. I'm glad I didn't vote for him.

[The Liberated Territories]

The platform of the Libertarian Party hasn't really changed much since the 70s. Consolidated and moderated, maybe, but the platform then supported gay marriage, as it does still today.

I can't recall many libertarians being against homosexuals, non-Christians, or foreigners. Have you watched the LP debates? All three candidates believe that immigration should be reformed to be more welcoming of immigrants while streamlining the process to our benefit, for example. All three have supported gay marriage (or more specifically, getting the government out of marriage.)

Can you point me the data of libertarians being against homosexual marriage, foreigners, et al? Here's mine:

http://www.isidewith.com/poll/965633/962379
http://www.isidewith.com/poll/1566865877/962379

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Tea_Pa ... Rights.htm

I was talking about Paleoconservatives that identified with the Tea Party movement. Sarah Palin/Alex Jones types and such.
http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/gayvaccinations.asp
https://youtu.be/bKR_UV8cxpQ

I really don't have a problem with people thinking and spreading their views on homosexuality being immoral.
But the stance some take seems pretty extreme.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomit ... ession_Act

Then why'd you bring them into the debate? Paleoconservatives and libertarians/classical liberals share some similarities in economics, but are very different when it comes to culture issues and social issues.

That is extreme.

[Zoice]

"PC terrorism" lawl

Does being nice to people strike fear into your heart? Cute.

But words sure do hurt, do they?

Someone is being empathetic! Quick throw something, hiss!!!!

[Writwross]

Supplementary evidence is not required if the sacred leader of Writwross proclaims it to be true

[Jochistan]

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Tea_Pa ... Rights.htm

I was talking about Paleoconservatives that identified with the Tea Party movement. Sarah Palin/Alex Jones types and such.
http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/gayvaccinations.asp
https://youtu.be/bKR_UV8cxpQ

I really don't have a problem with people thinking and spreading their views on homosexuality being immoral.
But the stance some take seems pretty extreme.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomit ... ession_Act

Then why'd you bring them into the debate? Paleoconservatives and libertarians/classical liberals share some similarities in economics, but are very different when it comes to culture issues and social issues.

That is extreme.

Because they often call themselves libertarians.

[Victoriala]

"PC terrorism" lawl

Does being nice to people strike fear into your heart? Cute.

It's not about being nice to people, its about the historical laws and culture established by years of both Christian protestant/catholic/orthodox/ect/ect and Enlightenment/Renaissance tradition under threat.

>inb4 the premodern times was best times glory to god

Why is it different from e.g. the Spanish Inquisition, or similar groups that are hateful and bigoted in the name of religion? Both persecuted people based on their beliefs, both were anti-science, both justified bigotry with their philosophy. In fact, I'd bet my money that more people died alone under the USSR's persecution than the history of the Catholic Church. In the year 1838 the author Brownlee estimated that "sixty eight millions and five hundred thousand" people died under the Catholic Church, whilst this graphic references about "94million" deaths under Communist rule. If anything, I would bet they come pretty close in numbers overall.

More info:
http://rodericke.com/were-most-human-de ... d-religion

Don't lie.

Hitler was basically a libertarian, he supported the libertarian ideology of social Darwinism.

>Hitler
>Libertarian

The Godwin's law I can take, but Jesus baloneycock, what the fuck

[Ranko Kanzaki]

Dude what

Classical liberalism = support for capitalism

capitalism = economic system based on endless consumption

endless consumption = unsustainable

It's always fun to see how people misdefine things they don't support in order to villianize them.