Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Nazi Germany was the third Reich, the EU could be called the fourth.
I presume this is a joke, right?
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by Valaran » Sun May 01, 2016 4:29 pm
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Nazi Germany was the third Reich, the EU could be called the fourth.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire
by Dooom35796821595 » Sun May 01, 2016 4:32 pm
by Marcurix » Sun May 01, 2016 4:33 pm
Ifreann wrote:Marcurix wrote:Australia seems to join the list of countries favouring an "in" vote.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu- ... m-36183444
Those dastardly Strayans.
by Valaran » Sun May 01, 2016 4:38 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire
by Ad Nihilo » Mon May 02, 2016 3:04 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:
When it's obvious that some thing will end soon, why to prolong the agony?
Wouldn't it be better, if UK declared war on Germany in 1936, instead of useless attempts to prolong status quo?
In some moment, it's better to stop lie each other and say: Well, we had good intentions, but we failed.
Almost certainly not.
What cause would there even be in 1936 to declare war?
by Socialist Czechia » Mon May 02, 2016 3:12 am
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Ad Nihilo » Mon May 02, 2016 3:12 am
by Imperializt Russia » Mon May 02, 2016 3:14 am
Socialist Czechia wrote:Ad Nihilo wrote:
Remilitarization of the Rhineland, I guess. That was I think the first blatant "fuck you" to the Treaty of Versailles.
...and German Chancellor was this time, probably the first and last time before war, really nervous about that.
But fortunately to him, Great War victors apparently needed much more time to grow their lost balls.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Ad Nihilo » Mon May 02, 2016 3:18 am
Socialist Czechia wrote:Ad Nihilo wrote:
Remilitarization of the Rhineland, I guess. That was I think the first blatant "fuck you" to the Treaty of Versailles.
...and German Chancellor was this time, probably the first and last time before war, really nervous about that.
But fortunately to him, Great War victors apparently needed much more time to grow their lost balls.
by Socialist Czechia » Mon May 02, 2016 3:22 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:
...and German Chancellor was this time, probably the first and last time before war, really nervous about that.
But fortunately to him, Great War victors apparently needed much more time to grow their lost balls.
Of course, because fighting a war that none of you are equipped to over something that plenty of people might actually sympathise over at the time is "lack of balls".
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Imperializt Russia » Mon May 02, 2016 3:24 am
Socialist Czechia wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:Of course, because fighting a war that none of you are equipped to over something that plenty of people might actually sympathise over at the time is "lack of balls".
Actually, Wehrmacht in 1936 was just a joke, France would alone crushed by merely crossing a borders. It wasn't actually much better in 1938, when French and British were still just pissing their pants without doing much more.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Socialist Czechia » Mon May 02, 2016 3:27 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:
...and German Chancellor was this time, probably the first and last time before war, really nervous about that.
But fortunately to him, Great War victors apparently needed much more time to grow their lost balls.
Of course, because fighting a war that none of you are equipped to over something that plenty of people might actually sympathise over at the time is "lack of balls".
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Imperializt Russia » Mon May 02, 2016 3:29 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Ad Nihilo » Mon May 02, 2016 3:32 am
Socialist Czechia wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:Of course, because fighting a war that none of you are equipped to over something that plenty of people might actually sympathise over at the time is "lack of balls".
And by the way, nothing would have happened in 1930s, if France and Britain was truly determined to destroy Germany in 1919.
That means: direct annexations of further parts (South Schleswig to Denmark, whole Silesia to Poland, another parts to Belgium, France, Netherlands).
Independence of Bavaria, puppet Rhenish Republic, rest would be sorry rump state called 'Republic of Prussia', since even word 'Germany' would be banned from use.
Something like that.
But unfortunately, they wanted reparations more than destruction of German state.
by The Alexanderians » Mon May 02, 2016 3:34 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:
Actually, Wehrmacht in 1936 was just a joke, France would alone crushed by merely crossing a borders. It wasn't actually much better in 1938, when French and British were still just pissing their pants without doing much more.
"Just a joke", France had no manpower. That's why the built the damned Maginot line. Britain, historically, has never been prepared to fight a war at the outset and rapidly ramps up to do so.
Neither France nor Britain were in any state to fight the Germans no matter how shitty you think the German Army was at that time. And there would have been no stomach to do so at that time.
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
by Socialist Czechia » Mon May 02, 2016 3:34 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:The German forces mutinied and couldn't fight. They surrendered. There was nothing left to do, unless you're suggesting the wanton slaughter of Germans because "fuck Germans lol".
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Imperializt Russia » Mon May 02, 2016 3:36 am
The Alexanderians wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:"Just a joke", France had no manpower. That's why the built the damned Maginot line. Britain, historically, has never been prepared to fight a war at the outset and rapidly ramps up to do so.
Neither France nor Britain were in any state to fight the Germans no matter how shitty you think the German Army was at that time. And there would have been no stomach to do so at that time.
Not to Mention the Maginot Line was based on outdated ideas. Just overwhelm one spot hard enough and you can break through the whole thing since the stationary guns couldn't reverse. The line also had little depth so a break through would be relatively easy. Top it off with French officers having poor concepts of operational level maneuvers. The entire defense strategy was doomed to fail from the start.
The British had the advantage of the Channel which bought them enough time to start mounting defenses and consolidating their colonial and imperial assets.
Anything I misrepresented?
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Socialist Czechia » Mon May 02, 2016 3:36 am
Ad Nihilo wrote:
Except for that part where the majority of Germans wanted to live in a United Germany. What you are proposing would have resulted to the same kind of Nazi nationalism. It most it would have moved the eventual outcome a couple of years in either direction. (And that's not an idle consideration considering the parallel evolution of nuclear weapons.)
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Ad Nihilo » Mon May 02, 2016 3:38 am
Socialist Czechia wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:The German forces mutinied and couldn't fight. They surrendered. There was nothing left to do, unless you're suggesting the wanton slaughter of Germans because "fuck Germans lol".
I just suggested they could totally balkanize Germany, to make them insignificant.
United German state would completely cease to exist, that would ensure peace in their time.
by Ad Nihilo » Mon May 02, 2016 3:40 am
Socialist Czechia wrote:Ad Nihilo wrote:
Except for that part where the majority of Germans wanted to live in a United Germany. What you are proposing would have resulted to the same kind of Nazi nationalism. It most it would have moved the eventual outcome a couple of years in either direction. (And that's not an idle consideration considering the parallel evolution of nuclear weapons.)
That would be only their problem. Everyone else in the Europe would be fine with that.
If they would rose up again, it would be much more difficult, it would took much more time and bloodshed amongst Germans themselves.
Again, everyone else would be fine with that.
by Imperializt Russia » Mon May 02, 2016 3:41 am
Ad Nihilo wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:
That would be only their problem. Everyone else in the Europe would be fine with that.
If they would rose up again, it would be much more difficult, it would took much more time and bloodshed amongst Germans themselves.
Again, everyone else would be fine with that.
You mean how the Sudenteland and the Austrian Anschluss took bloodshed? Again, this is something they all wanted, and had already achieved during the Second Reich. They knew how to do it, and they wanted to do it and they would have done it either way. And if it had taken then 5 more years to get to where we were in 1939, WW2 would have been fought with nukes.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Saiwania » Mon May 02, 2016 3:43 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:The Maginot Line was an enormous defensive work. Its entire purpose was to deter Germany entirely, or force them through Belgium. In this, it worked perfectly.
by Socialist Czechia » Mon May 02, 2016 3:44 am
Ad Nihilo wrote:You mean how the Sudenteland and the Austrian Anschluss took bloodshed? Again, this is something they all wanted, and had already achieved during the Second Reich. They knew how to do it, and they wanted to do it and they would have done it either way. And if it had taken then 5 more years to get to where we were in 1939, WW2 would have been fought with nukes.
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
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