Religion & NS

[Vashtanaraada]

Let everyone believe what they want to be believe, but they should still pay tax. That's my position in NS, and in RL.

taxation is theft

tax is rent, not outright theft

[New Rogernomics]

Let everyone believe what they want to be believe, but they should still pay tax. That's my position in NS, and in RL.

taxation is theft

So is consumerism, but no one wants to uncover the dark-side to starvation or poverty wages.

[Zoice]

So, there's a confusion here, that the other poster Jute also had.

I'm not saying you're "believing that gods don't exist". I'm saying that you're just not "believing that gods exist".

That's what atheist means. It is binary. If you are not a theist, then you're a non-theist, also known as an atheist.

But I'm an apatheist. I think you mean it's a part of irreligion, not atheism.

I didn't see your edit, sorry.

Atheism is just the absence of theistic belief. Atheism would include a belief that no gods exist, but just like how red is a colour and not all colours are red, not all atheists believe that no gods exist.

If you are not a theist, then you are an atheist.

[Nordengrund]

Let everyone believe what they want to be believe, but they should still pay tax. That's my position in NS, and in RL.

taxation is theft

If it were, I don't think Jesus would have told people to give back to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.

[Zoice]

Let everyone believe what they want to be believe, but they should still pay tax. That's my position in NS, and in RL.

taxation is theft

You'd be a great roommate.

[Indominous]

I'm a Catholic IRL but I formed another puppet nation based off of a story I thought of the past Sunday afternoon were the earth has an apocalypse and some survivors form a new religion worshiping the Indominous Rex. Anyone want to join?

[New Rogernomics]

taxation is theft

If it were, I don't think Jesus would have told people to give back to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.

Also sold his disciples as slaves, drunk all the wine, and demanded payment for miracles.

[New Rogernomics]

taxation is theft

You'd be a great roommate.

I think he would be cute to begin with, but annoying with repetition.

[Vashtanaraada]

But I'm an apatheist. I think you mean it's a part of irreligion, not atheism.

I didn't see your edit, sorry.

Atheism is just the absence of theistic belief. Atheism would include a belief that no gods exist, but just like how red is a colour and not all colours are red, not all atheists believe that no gods exist.

If you are not a theist, then you are an atheist.

Then I'm a Theatheist that doesn't care.

There's a word for that.
It's apatheism.

[Zoice]

I didn't see your edit, sorry.

Atheism is just the absence of theistic belief. Atheism would include a belief that no gods exist, but just like how red is a colour and not all colours are red, not all atheists believe that no gods exist.

If you are not a theist, then you are an atheist.

Then I'm a Theatheist that doesn't care.

There's a word for that.
It's apatheism.

Yep. I'm not saying you aren't an apatheist. I'm saying you're also an atheist.

[Kauthar]

taxation is theft

If it were, I don't think Jesus would have told people to give back to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.

elaborate

[Nordengrund]

If it were, I don't think Jesus would have told people to give back to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.

Also sold his disciples as slaves, drunk all the wine, and demanded payment for miracles.

[Kauthar]

Also sold his disciples as slaves, drunk all the wine, and demanded payment for miracles.

dont mind the edgy atheists

[Skeckoa]

taxation is theft

tax is rent, not outright theft

What was taxation then before the modern welfare state? Honest question? Like, was the Pharaoh's taxes more akin to rent or theft (given that in Ancient Egypt didn't have the concept of social spending) Honest question.

[Zoice]

If it were, I don't think Jesus would have told people to give back to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.

elaborate

He said pay taxes.

[Kauthar]

elaborate

He said pay taxes.

oops i quoted the wrong person. I meant to quote what you said

taxation is theft

You'd be a great roommate.

[Zoice]

He said pay taxes.

oops i quoted the wrong person. I meant to quote what you said

You'd be a great roommate.

I was sarcastically saying that you'd be a great roommate, the implication being that you'd never pitch in for rent.

[Badassistanian]

Secularism is what my nation subscribes to, its the best way to go about things as everyone has a personal choice however that being said organized religion is not a huge thing so if your religiouse in my nation its most likley a personal spirituality type thing.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Well taxes pay for goose stepping armies so how is it theft?

[Kauthar]

oops i quoted the wrong person. I meant to quote what you said

I was sarcastically saying that you'd be a great roommate, the implication being that you'd never pitch in for rent.

oh right lmao never caught on.
but rent is different from tax.

[Conscentia]

Let everyone believe what they want to be believe, but they should still pay tax. That's my position in NS, and in RL.

taxation is theft

Says the self-admitted fascist.

[Zoice]

I was sarcastically saying that you'd be a great roommate, the implication being that you'd never pitch in for rent.

oh right lmao never caught on.
but rent is different from tax.

How is it different? Taxes pay for the essential services, defense, everything that the group democratically (at least nowadays) agrees we should pay for. The only difference is that if you don't help pay for rent you get evicted, and if you don't pay taxes you get jailed. I suppose you could argue that the punishment for tax evasion should be banishment rather than imprisonment or fines, but that still leaves the comparison to theft unexplained.

[Conscentia]

I didn't see your edit, sorry.
Atheism is just the absence of theistic belief. Atheism would include a belief that no gods exist, but just like how red is a colour and not all colours are red, not all atheists believe that no gods exist.
If you are not a theist, then you are an atheist.

Then I'm a Theatheist that doesn't care.
There's a word for that.
It's apatheism.

The idea that 'apatheists' aren't theists or atheists is total nonsense.
Either you believe but still don't care, or you don't believe and don't care. Not caring is not a third option. There is no third option.

[Kauthar]

oh right lmao never caught on.
but rent is different from tax.

How is it different? Taxes pay for the essential services, defense, everything that the group democratically (at least nowadays) agrees we should pay for. The only difference is that if you don't help pay for rent you get evicted, and if you don't pay taxes you get jailed. I suppose you could argue that the punishment for tax evasion should be banishment rather than imprisonment or fines, but that still leaves the comparison to theft unexplained.

because you're paying someone to stay in their private property.
tax is paying the government so you don't get arrested and so that the politicians can get £60k a year sitting on their arse the entire time shouting at each other.

taxation is theft

Says the self-admitted fascist.

And how is fascism theft

[Zoice]

How is it different? Taxes pay for the essential services, defense, everything that the group democratically (at least nowadays) agrees we should pay for. The only difference is that if you don't help pay for rent you get evicted, and if you don't pay taxes you get jailed. I suppose you could argue that the punishment for tax evasion should be banishment rather than imprisonment or fines, but that still leaves the comparison to theft unexplained.

because you're paying someone to stay in their private property.
tax is paying the government so you don't get arrested and so that the politicians can get £60k a year sitting on their arse the entire time shouting at each other.

You get arrested if you don't pay tax, and politicians do spend a lot of time seated and yelling, but those aren't the goals.

For every dollar spent on a politician's salary there's a hell of a lot more going to funding police, infrastructure, research, defense, etc. It's public funding, like pitching in to pay for rent or pitching in for a new TV we all share.