Antifa and Neo Nazis Clash in Dover

[Jochistan]

Any excuse to smash store fronts and take the stuff inside will do for the YOBs of today.

Don't remind me. To be fair though, that's always really been a thing. Lots of people will "join a cause" to loot, that's never changed

I mean, those people are totally screwed if the policy they're looting for ever actually gains power.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I remember reading a Cracked article that explained that most neo-Nazis were just gang members pretending to have a political agenda. I would assume that antifa is the same thing, but they seem more posh. Their diction seems more bourgeois and refined than the nazis.

Well the stereotypes would follow that neo-nazis are gang-based thugs from poorer backgrounds, whereas the anarchists are generally privately schooled waifs from wealthy backgrounds that want to rebel against "daddy".

Which is ussualy right in my experiance, though in my town growing up we did have a short lived gang of rich kid nazis

[The Liberated Territories]

Well at least they are fighting each other instead of teaming up to fight capitalism. *greedily rubs hands*

le happy merchant

[Internationalist Bastard]

Don't remind me. To be fair though, that's always really been a thing. Lots of people will "join a cause" to loot, that's never changed

I mean, those people are totally screwed if the policy they're looting for ever actually gains power.

Yup. It happens with every movement. Some people see a time of change as an excuse to riot. In favt, thats what most riots are

[MacFee]

le happy merchant

Money! It's a crime.

[Jochistan]

Well the stereotypes would follow that neo-nazis are gang-based thugs from poorer backgrounds, whereas the anarchists are generally privately schooled waifs from wealthy backgrounds that want to rebel against "daddy".

Which is ussualy right in my experiance, though in my town growing up we did have a short lived gang of rich kid nazis

The only Nazis I've ever met in real life were usually pretty middle class.

[Val Halla]

Nazis are violent. Who knew?

[Kubra]

Are they really demonstrating against anything or is this just another excuse for people to dress up with hoods on and fight each other like the stupid bastards they are?

I remember reading a Cracked article that explained that most neo-Nazis were just gang members pretending to have a political agenda. I would assume that antifa is the same thing, but they seem more posh. Their diction seems more bourgeois and refined than the nazis.

antifas only exist insofar as there is a counter demo being organized, otherwise they're members of other political grouplets.

[Jochistan]

Well at least they are fighting each other instead of teaming up to fight capitalism. *greedily rubs hands*

le happy merchant

le shockingly original old Jew meme older than most reddit cancers and twice as overused by 14 year olds and landwhales.

[MacFee]

Which is ussualy right in my experiance, though in my town growing up we did have a short lived gang of rich kid nazis

The only Nazis I've ever met in real life were usually pretty middle class.

Lucky. All the Nazis down here in Missouri just sorta hang around Branson and Thayer.

[The Liberated Territories]

Money! It's a crime.

Money is theft! No literally.

[Ragnarum]

le happy merchant

le shockingly original old Jew meme older than most reddit cancers and twice as overused by 14 year olds and landwhales.

le shockingly original observational humour

oy vey

[Jochistan]

The only Nazis I've ever met in real life were usually pretty middle class.

Lucky. All the Nazis down here in Missouri just sorta hang around Branson and Thayer.

I mean I've seen Nazi Skinheads that were presumably working class, but most of them I've actually been around for extended periods of time were ironically skinny teenagers with Mental issues or something. Which is fine and all. But, they probably would be killed by hitler for that.

[Jumalariik]

An Antifa is an anarchist as well. They love chaos and turmoil.

Anarchism is not chaos and turmoil. That would be reserved for the nazis, fascists and nationalists. You don't see antifa committing genocide and mass murder.

You do see them protesting against free speech though.

Antifa are a bunch of violent fedoras, and you all seem to accept their terrorism because it is against nationalists. Antifa is the epitome of self-hating Westerners who are happy to see their parent's livelihoods destroyed. What amuses me about the Fedoras of antifa is how they act so edgy. They are literally beating and throwing things at working class people trying to preserve something that they love. Yes, they can be hateful. The ranks of the NF, BNP etc though are filled with people who are no longer accepting of the elitist moral superiority complexes of the establishment left and right.

So yeah, nazism is bad. Fedoras with complexes galore using weapons are even worse. If you support Antifa, you support terrorism against free speech. Antifa is not the organization that would have fought against Hitler, but instead, they are the sorts who would have run away when the fighting get tough. They are the types who would kick the knees in of any proud person remembering their heritage at a war memorial. Screw Antifa. Screw terrorism against free speech.

[Kubra]

Anarchism is not chaos and turmoil. That would be reserved for the nazis, fascists and nationalists. You don't see antifa committing genocide and mass murder.

You do see them protesting against free speech though.

Antifa are a bunch of violent fedoras, and you all seem to accept their terrorism because it is against nationalists. Antifa is the epitome of self-hating Westerners who are happy to see their parent's livelihoods destroyed. What amuses me about the Fedoras of antifa is how they act so edgy. They are literally beating and throwing things at working class people trying to preserve something that they love. Yes, they can be hateful. The ranks of the NF, BNP etc though are filled with people who are no longer accepting of the elitist moral superiority complexes of the establishment left and right.

So yeah, nazism is bad. Fedoras with complexes galore using weapons are even worse. If you support Antifa, you support terrorism against free speech. Antifa is not the organization that would have fought against Hitler, but instead, they are the sorts who would have run away when the fighting get tough. They are the types who would kick the knees in of any proud person remembering their heritage at a war memorial. Screw Antifa. Screw terrorism against free speech.

think I cut myself on this edge

[The New Sea Territory]

Anarchism is not chaos and turmoil. That would be reserved for the nazis, fascists and nationalists. You don't see antifa committing genocide and mass murder.

You do see them protesting against free speech though.

No, we aren't. Freedom of speech is a restriction on state power. We are individuals seeking to counter-protest people whose ideology caused the deaths of millions.

Antifa are a bunch of violent fedoras, and you all seem to accept their terrorism because it is against nationalists. Antifa is the epitome of self-hating Westerners who are happy to see their parent's livelihoods destroyed. What amuses me about the Fedoras of antifa is how they act so edgy. They are literally beating and throwing things at working class people trying to preserve something that they love. Yes, they can be hateful. The ranks of the NF, BNP etc though are filled with people who are no longer accepting of the elitist moral superiority complexes of the establishment left and right.

Haha. Cute.

So yeah, nazism is bad. Fedoras with complexes galore using weapons are even worse. If you support Antifa, you support terrorism against free speech. Antifa is not the organization that would have fought against Hitler, but instead, they are the sorts who would have run away when the fighting get tough. They are the types who would kick the knees in of any proud person remembering their heritage at a war memorial. Screw Antifa. Screw terrorism against free speech.

Bullshit. Anti-fascists were in fact The only people fighting Hitler and Mussolini before it was too late to save the lives of 6 million jews.

[The New Sea Territory]

Well at least they are fighting each other instead of teaming up to fight capitalism. *greedily rubs hands*

Because obviously fascists oppose capitalism. *nods*

[Jumalariik]

Which is ussualy right in my experiance, though in my town growing up we did have a short lived gang of rich kid nazis

The only Nazis I've ever met in real life were usually pretty middle class.

Upper, Lower or just regular? Upper middle class are all pro-immigration. If the locals demand minimum wage, just hire some illegals! Lower Middle and just plain Middle are increasingly aligning interests with Working Class folks. A Harvard/Oxford/Whatever person will have job security regardless of immigration, a tech support or construction worker will have the chance of huge wage reduction because of it. Working Class and Middle Class should unite against the Upper Middle Class and Upper Class liberalism and "shirker-ism"

[Jochistan]

Anarchism is not chaos and turmoil. That would be reserved for the nazis, fascists and nationalists. You don't see antifa committing genocide and mass murder.

You do see them protesting against free speech though.

Antifa are a bunch of violent fedoras, and you all seem to accept their terrorism because it is against nationalists. Antifa is the epitome of self-hating Westerners who are happy to see their parent's livelihoods destroyed. What amuses me about the Fedoras of antifa is how they act so edgy. They are literally beating and throwing things at working class people trying to preserve something that they love. Yes, they can be hateful. The ranks of the NF, BNP etc though are filled with people who are no longer accepting of the elitist moral superiority complexes of the establishment left and right.

So yeah, nazism is bad. Fedoras with complexes galore using weapons are even worse. If you support Antifa, you support terrorism against free speech. Antifa is not the organization that would have fought against Hitler, but instead, they are the sorts who would have run away when the fighting get tough. They are the types who would kick the knees in of any proud person remembering their heritage at a war memorial. Screw Antifa. Screw terrorism against free speech.

I agree with a lot of this, except the Antifa being worse than Nazis.

As bad as they are and as much as their way of beleif needs to be challenged, overthrown and never brought back up again, they are not as dangerous as ultranationalists, salafi Islamists, or any other current far right movement.

[Jochistan]

The only Nazis I've ever met in real life were usually pretty middle class.

Upper, Lower or just regular? Upper middle class are all pro-immigration. If the locals demand minimum wage, just hire some illegals! Lower Middle and just plain Middle are increasingly aligning interests with Working Class folks. A Harvard/Oxford/Whatever person will have job security regardless of immigration, a tech support or construction worker will have the chance of huge wage reduction because of it. Working Class and Middle Class should unite against the Upper Middle Class and Upper Class liberalism and "shirker-ism"

Well, uh, I wouldn't say that.

[The New Sea Territory]

The only Nazis I've ever met in real life were usually pretty middle class.

Upper, Lower or just regular? Upper middle class are all pro-immigration. If the locals demand minimum wage, just hire some illegals! Lower Middle and just plain Middle are increasingly aligning interests with Working Class folks. A Harvard/Oxford/Whatever person will have job security regardless of immigration, a tech support or construction worker will have the chance of huge wage reduction because of it. Working Class and Middle Class should unite against the Upper Middle Class and Upper Class liberalism and "shirker-ism"

*ring*

*riiiiiiiing*

*riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing*

1939 is calling, Hitler wants his pseudo-class consciousness and xenophobia back.

[Jochistan]

If only there were people with my values that went out to fight against groups I don't like including Nazis.

[Jumalariik]

You do see them protesting against free speech though.

No, we aren't. Freedom of speech is a restriction on state power.

Antifa are a bunch of violent fedoras, and you all seem to accept their terrorism because it is against nationalists. Antifa is the epitome of self-hating Westerners who are happy to see their parent's livelihoods destroyed. What amuses me about the Fedoras of antifa is how they act so edgy. They are literally beating and throwing things at working class people trying to preserve something that they love. Yes, they can be hateful. The ranks of the NF, BNP etc though are filled with people who are no longer accepting of the elitist moral superiority complexes of the establishment left and right.

Haha. Cute.

So yeah, nazism is bad. Fedoras with complexes galore using weapons are even worse. If you support Antifa, you support terrorism against free speech. Antifa is not the organization that would have fought against Hitler, but instead, they are the sorts who would have run away when the fighting get tough. They are the types who would kick the knees in of any proud person remembering their heritage at a war memorial. Screw Antifa. Screw terrorism against free speech.

Bullshit. Anti-fascists were in fact The only people fighting Hitler and Mussolini before it was too late to save the lives of 6 million jews.

1. You do restrict speech you don't like. Get. Over. It. If a protest that you don't like happens, you folks will throw rocks at them until they leave. Antifa is a terrorist group. If you are Antifa, you are a terrorist plain and simple.

2. Yes. You are supporting an ideology that benefits elites. If that is cute, cool.

3. Oh yeah right. Antifa=Stalin or something? The people who fought the good fight, the British and Americans, were not Antifa, they supported democracy. They allowed nazi marches, you would jail them because you know that views other than yours are too logical to consider in dialogue. Maybe we can stop using the Jews as a shield. How about that? Whenever somebody argues for nationalism, y'all seem to start talking about Jews. I never mentioned Jews, you just going all Godwin.

Now again, if your views are so correct, how come your views are universally hated by most working people? If Hillary-Brown Shirt Antifa views are so radical, why is Trump the favorite of the Blue Collar worker? Why does the BNP get so much support from working class people? Stalinoids are actually not very popularly supported, interestingly enough.


Now, before I seem like a total jerk, I will say this: If you are citing the CNT/FAI as your inspiration, I do have respect for you, and I do wish you well in your endeavors. If on the other hand, you are going to argue in any way that the Soviets were better than the nazis, you are no better than the neo-nazis.

We are individuals seeking to counter-protest people whose ideology caused the deaths of millions.

Read "Counter Protest" as throw rocks and spears at.
Read "Ideology that caused the deaths of millions" as not communism, which killed around 100 million people. For that matter, why do you protest nationalists and not maoists or stalinists? I know that there are a few, their views are actually worse in terms of deathcount than the nationalists. Further than that, who are you to say that nationalism is bad? If you are not a nationalist, it does not mean that others should not be able to support their nation's interests.

[Internationalist Bastard]

If only there were people with my values that went out to fight against groups I don't like including Nazis.

Nah, that's a good way to get shot

[Big Jim P]

Huh. And here I thought the good old United "God save the Queen" Kingdom would be impartial to the flow of refugees.
Given how they enjoy causing refugees to run in the first place.

Antifa is pretty much a solidly "SJW" for lack of a better word. And seem to care more about extreme social liberalism than they care about Anarchism and economic inequality.

That's, actually, pretty much the left in a nutshell: Too busy protecting everyone's precious snowflake (even though said snowflake actually doesn't need protecting) to actually care about the events around them.

"Reports of women being raped en masse by refugees confir--"
"Are you saying something negative about refugees?"
"No, we are reporting multiple incidents where women are being raped and assaulted by refu--"
"You're not supposed to say anything bad about the refugees."
"But what about the safety of the women--"
"What about the feelings of the refugees, you racist?"

- European SJWs.... no, actually just SJWs in a nutshell.

Exactly. Muslims expect their religion and culture to be treated special (and they get it). They really need to get over themselves and assimilate when they move to a western nation, or just stay home.