Antifa and Neo Nazis Clash in Dover

[Ragnarum]

Betacucks V Stormfags once again. Good god.

[Kar-Esseria]

Neo-Nazis are little more than street thugs regardless of nation or culture, so I'd say they probably started it.

[Ifreann]

It's really not like that at all. It's more like you think we're threatened by fascists and will accede to their demands to secure peace in our time.

We are threatened by fascists...

Maybe you feel threatened. I don't.

[Jochistan]

Huh. And here I thought the good old United "God save the Queen" Kingdom would be impartial to the flow of refugees.
Given how they enjoy causing refugees to run in the first place.

Antifa is pretty much a solidly "SJW" for lack of a better word. And seem to care more about extreme social liberalism than they care about Anarchism and economic inequality.

That's, actually, pretty much the left in a nutshell: Too busy protecting everyone's precious snowflake (even though said snowflake actually doesn't need protecting) to actually care about the events around them.

"Reports of women being raped en masse by refugees confir--"
"Are you saying something negative about refugees?"
"No, we are reporting multiple incidents where women are being raped and assaulted by refu--"
"You're not supposed to say anything bad about the refugees."
"But what about the safety of the women--"
"What about the feelings of the refugees, you racist?"

- European SJWs.... no, actually just SJWs in a nutshell.

As much as I completely agree. Doing the whole dicking around with Arabs and Muslims in general after this shit happens isn't helping much either. Fundamentalists are just as much a threat to Muslims as they are to everyone else in europe. And the Muslims that try to fight back against their expanding ideology are called infidels by one side and fakes or irrelevant by the other.

[Ragnarum]

'Fascists' demand a lot more than that. This has nothing to do with giving in to the demands of any group, and more a practical long term solution to this issue.
In fact, the position expressed originally should really be considered a more default view of the situation.

[Jochistan]

It's really not like that at all. It's more like you think we're threatened by fascists and will accede to their demands to secure peace in our time.

We are threatened by fascists (islamic fascists), to secure peace we should stop meddling in middle eastern affairs and focus on securing Europe's borders. People who can't provide for themselves are only a drain on the economy. If you want to come here, you should be able to buy a plane ticket to get here and show that you have enough money in the bank to support yourself and not live on our tax money. We can't be the welfare office for the Muslim world.

yeah, I would agree, but said "Islamo fascists" (who are really just Medievalists that don't understand history) are a threat to migrants and muslims already living in europe as well as everyone else, as I said before.

[Dragonia Re Xzua]

Huh. And here I thought the good old United "God save the Queen" Kingdom would be impartial to the flow of refugees.
Given how they enjoy causing refugees to run in the first place.


That's, actually, pretty much the left in a nutshell: Too busy protecting everyone's precious snowflake (even though said snowflake actually doesn't need protecting) to actually care about the events around them.

"Reports of women being raped en masse by refugees confir--"
"Are you saying something negative about refugees?"
"No, we are reporting multiple incidents where women are being raped and assaulted by refu--"
"You're not supposed to say anything bad about the refugees."
"But what about the safety of the women--"
"What about the feelings of the refugees, you racist?"

- European SJWs.... no, actually just SJWs in a nutshell.

As much as I completely agree. Doing the whole dicking around with Arabs and Muslims in general after this shit happens isn't helping much either. Fundamentalists are just as much a threat to Muslims as they are to everyone else in europe. And the Muslims that try to fight back against their expanding ideology are called infidels by one side and fakes or irrelevant by the other.

It's almost as if the Middle East can't comprehend the words "human rights" and the West can't comprehend the word "sensibility." ..... actually, the West might just label the word as "a weapon of terrorism."

[Ifreann]

'Fascists' demand a lot more than that. This has nothing to do with giving in to the demands of any group, and more a practical long term solution to this issue.
In fact, the position expressed originally should really be considered a more default view of the situation.

The position expressed originally is that if the left do not do what the right wants then the left is asking for more clashes like this. Is that what you think should be the default view? That people should compromise their principles in the face of thinly veiled threats?

[Ragnarum]

'Fascists' demand a lot more than that. This has nothing to do with giving in to the demands of any group, and more a practical long term solution to this issue.
In fact, the position expressed originally should really be considered a more default view of the situation.

The position expressed originally is that if the left do not do what the right wants then the left is asking for more clashes like this. Is that what you think should be the default view? That people should compromise their principles in the face of thinly veiled threats?

Right. Wrong original post.
Shit.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

Two crews of extremists bickering and fighting while their countries continue to be slowly eroded and torn apart... It would be amusing, if it weren't so sad, considering all things.

[Jochistan]

As much as I completely agree. Doing the whole dicking around with Arabs and Muslims in general after this shit happens isn't helping much either. Fundamentalists are just as much a threat to Muslims as they are to everyone else in europe. And the Muslims that try to fight back against their expanding ideology are called infidels by one side and fakes or irrelevant by the other.

It's almost as if the Middle East can't comprehend the words "human rights" and the West can't comprehend the word "sensibility." ..... actually, the West might just label the word as "a weapon of terrorism."

The middle east can and does frequently understand the term Human rights, The Hashemites, Tunisias rule, half of the culture war in Egypt and others are hanging on and active in Human rights in the Middle east. Not everyone there's a single minded Islamist zealot. Many of the Migrants are. And have shocking influence in the Middle east, and Parts of Asia like Afghanistan and Pakistan. But the entire middle east is not a stereotypical mental institution of zealots like in some shitty ass John Ringo novella. Even I know that despite my creeping Arab prejudice.

[Dragonia Re Xzua]

It's almost as if the Middle East can't comprehend the words "human rights" and the West can't comprehend the word "sensibility." ..... actually, the West might just label the word as "a weapon of terrorism."

The middle east can and does frequently understand the term Human rights, The Hashemites, Tunisias rule, half of the culture war in Egypt and others are hanging on and active in Human rights in the Middle east. Not everyone there's a single minded Islamist zealot. Many of the Migrants are. And have shocking influence in the Middle east, and Parts of Asia like Afghanistan and Pakistan. But the entire middle east is not a stereotypical mental institution of zealots like in some shitty ass John Ringo novella. Even I know that despite my creeping Arab prejudice.

Still doesn't help with the latter part of my post. At this point, I'm ready for someone in the West to say "sensibility is the enemy of democracy and everything we value."
.... I read this in David Cameron's voice.

[Shamhnan Insir]

From Stormfront: http://www.dailystormer.com/happening-a ... -in-dover/

Antifa have gone to war with nationalists in Dover, UK.
Originally, it was a nationalist demonstration, but the antifa turned up to try and silence those who disagree with the policies of the government and banks.
It’s still not fully clear how the battle is going, and the situation continues.

What you are seeing in Dover now is the near future of all White countries, where White traitors go out onto the streets to defend the barbarian hordes. In the slightly less near future, it will be Whites versus the hordes directly, as the hordes will not tolerate White/non-Moslem allies, and the “antifa” faggots will also be attacked by “migrants.”

From Antifa: http://louderthanwar.com/oppose-nazis-r ... -saturday/

Crimes, are crimes. There aren’t refugee crimes, or Black crimes, or Asian crimes, they’re incidents of a nature within and of themselves.
When you racialise things such as violence against women and other abuse, you’re:
> Shielding patriarchy.
> Excusing white abusers.
> Not supporting survivors, you’re making your own agenda.
Capitalism, is capitalism. It exists to ensure a profit at the top, made from labour at the bottom. To make sure that gap is wide and profits are huge, it will even further exploit you and your labour.
When you blame immigrants for lack of jobs you’re:
> Protecting bosses who make a fucking mint off of you.
> Protecting the government who make a fucking mint off of you.
…by not organising against them, but fighting against your own struggling, working class equivalents.

The rise of fascism in Europe today, once again, for the second time in less than 70 years, is troubling to me. What are your thoughts?

Are they really demonstrating against anything or is this just another excuse for people to dress up with hoods on and fight each other like the stupid bastards they are?

[Jochistan]

From Stormfront: http://www.dailystormer.com/happening-a ... -in-dover/




From Antifa: http://louderthanwar.com/oppose-nazis-r ... -saturday/



The rise of fascism in Europe today, once again, for the second time in less than 70 years, is troubling to me. What are your thoughts?

Are they really demonstrating against anything or is this just another excuse for people to dress up with hoods on and fight each other like the stupid bastards they are?

Ain't nothing wrong with dressing up in hoods to fight people with terrible agendas, just make sure yours isn't bad to any similar extent.

I'm all for it if there are any like minded people similar to me.

[Greed and Death]

Every time europe gets politically divided,War happens. Guess what I believe is going to happen if communication and nonaligned european movements break down...

A wonderful chance to sell weapons. To think the US has the chance to be the great neutral again. Sell weapons to both sides while they exhaust themselves and then show up at the last minute and claim credit.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Are they really demonstrating against anything or is this just another excuse for people to dress up with hoods on and fight each other like the stupid bastards they are?

Ain't nothing wrong with dressing up in hoods to fight people with terrible agendas, just make sure yours isn't bad to any similar extent.

I'm all for it if there are any like minded people similar to me.

To be honest I think they both have terrible agendas. Fascism and anarchism do not appeal to me at all. It's the fact that we are seeing more of this counter-protest violence in the UK that is the issue.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Oh, Nazis, my favorite.

[The Liberated Territories]

Well at least they are fighting each other instead of teaming up to fight capitalism. *greedily rubs hands*

[Greed and Death]

Well at least they are fighting each other instead of teaming up to fight capitalism. *greedily rubs hands*

I sold both groups their uniforms.

[New confederate ramenia]

From Stormfront: http://www.dailystormer.com/happening-a ... -in-dover/




From Antifa: http://louderthanwar.com/oppose-nazis-r ... -saturday/



The rise of fascism in Europe today, once again, for the second time in less than 70 years, is troubling to me. What are your thoughts?

Are they really demonstrating against anything or is this just another excuse for people to dress up with hoods on and fight each other like the stupid bastards they are?

I remember reading a Cracked article that explained that most neo-Nazis were just gang members pretending to have a political agenda. I would assume that antifa is the same thing, but they seem more posh. Their diction seems more bourgeois and refined than the nazis.

[Greed and Death]

Are they really demonstrating against anything or is this just another excuse for people to dress up with hoods on and fight each other like the stupid bastards they are?

I remember reading a Cracked article that explained that most neo-Nazis were just gang members pretending to have a political agenda. I would assume that antifa is the same thing, but they seem more posh. Their diction seems more bourgeois and refined than the nazis.

Any excuse to smash store fronts and take the stuff inside will do for the YOBs of today.

[Jochistan]

Ain't nothing wrong with dressing up in hoods to fight people with terrible agendas, just make sure yours isn't bad to any similar extent.

I'm all for it if there are any like minded people similar to me.

To be honest I think they both have terrible agendas. Fascism and anarchism do not appeal to me at all. It's the fact that we are seeing more of this counter-protest violence in the UK that is the issue.

True, although I'd hesitate to call these people actual Anarchists, since again, they value social liberalism more than they actually any form of Anarchism. Although I don't agree with that either.

And as much as I utterly despise SJWs, personally I'm not going to pretend they're as bad as Stormfront. well...maybe.

[New confederate ramenia]

Well at least they are fighting each other instead of teaming up to fight capitalism. *greedily rubs hands*

le happy merchant

[Internationalist Bastard]

I remember reading a Cracked article that explained that most neo-Nazis were just gang members pretending to have a political agenda. I would assume that antifa is the same thing, but they seem more posh. Their diction seems more bourgeois and refined than the nazis.

Any excuse to smash store fronts and take the stuff inside will do for the YOBs of today.

Don't remind me. To be fair though, that's always really been a thing. Lots of people will "join a cause" to loot, that's never changed

[Shamhnan Insir]

Are they really demonstrating against anything or is this just another excuse for people to dress up with hoods on and fight each other like the stupid bastards they are?

I remember reading a Cracked article that explained that most neo-Nazis were just gang members pretending to have a political agenda. I would assume that antifa is the same thing, but they seem more posh. Their diction seems more bourgeois and refined than the nazis.

Well the stereotypes would follow that neo-nazis are gang-based thugs from poorer backgrounds, whereas the anarchists are generally privately schooled waifs from wealthy backgrounds that want to rebel against "daddy".