Antifa and Neo Nazis Clash in Dover

[Kubra]

No, we aren't. Freedom of speech is a restriction on state power.



Haha. Cute.



Bullshit. Anti-fascists were in fact The only people fighting Hitler and Mussolini before it was too late to save the lives of 6 million jews.

1. You do restrict speech you don't like. Get. Over. It. If a protest that you don't like happens, you folks will throw rocks at them until they leave. Antifa is a terrorist group. If you are Antifa, you are a terrorist plain and simple.

2. Yes. You are supporting an ideology that benefits elites. If that is cute, cool.

3. Oh yeah right. Antifa=Stalin or something? The people who fought the good fight, the British and Americans, were not Antifa, they supported democracy. They allowed nazi marches, you would jail them because you know that views other than yours are too logical to consider in dialogue. Maybe we can stop using the Jews as a shield. How about that? Whenever somebody argues for nationalism, y'all seem to start talking about Jews. I never mentioned Jews, you just going all Godwin.

Now again, if your views are so correct, how come your views are universally hated by most working people? If Hillary-Brown Shirt Antifa views are so radical, why is Trump the favorite of the Blue Collar worker? Why does the BNP get so much support from working class people? Stalinoids are actually not very popularly supported, interestingly enough.


Now, before I seem like a total jerk, I will say this: If you are citing the CNT/FAI as your inspiration, I do have respect for you, and I do wish you well in your endeavors. If on the other hand, you are going to argue in any way that the Soviets were better than the nazis, you are no better than the neo-nazis.

We are individuals seeking to counter-protest people whose ideology caused the deaths of millions.

Read "Counter Protest" as throw rocks and spears at.
Read "Ideology that caused the deaths of millions" as not communism, which killed around 100 million people. For that matter, why do you protest nationalists and not maoists or stalinists? I know that there are a few, their views are actually worse in terms of deathcount than the nationalists. Further than that, who are you to say that nationalism is bad? If you are not a nationalist, it does not mean that others should not be able to support their nation's interests.

be honest
You've never been to one of these demo's, yeah?

[Jumalariik]

1. You do restrict speech you don't like. Get. Over. It. If a protest that you don't like happens, you folks will throw rocks at them until they leave. Antifa is a terrorist group. If you are Antifa, you are a terrorist plain and simple.

2. Yes. You are supporting an ideology that benefits elites. If that is cute, cool.

3. Oh yeah right. Antifa=Stalin or something? The people who fought the good fight, the British and Americans, were not Antifa, they supported democracy. They allowed nazi marches, you would jail them because you know that views other than yours are too logical to consider in dialogue. Maybe we can stop using the Jews as a shield. How about that? Whenever somebody argues for nationalism, y'all seem to start talking about Jews. I never mentioned Jews, you just going all Godwin.

Now again, if your views are so correct, how come your views are universally hated by most working people? If Hillary-Brown Shirt Antifa views are so radical, why is Trump the favorite of the Blue Collar worker? Why does the BNP get so much support from working class people? Stalinoids are actually not very popularly supported, interestingly enough.


Now, before I seem like a total jerk, I will say this: If you are citing the CNT/FAI as your inspiration, I do have respect for you, and I do wish you well in your endeavors. If on the other hand, you are going to argue in any way that the Soviets were better than the nazis, you are no better than the neo-nazis.


Read "Counter Protest" as throw rocks and spears at.
Read "Ideology that caused the deaths of millions" as not communism, which killed around 100 million people. For that matter, why do you protest nationalists and not maoists or stalinists? I know that there are a few, their views are actually worse in terms of deathcount than the nationalists. Further than that, who are you to say that nationalism is bad? If you are not a nationalist, it does not mean that others should not be able to support their nation's interests.

be honest
You've never been to one of these demo's, yeah?

No, but I used to talk with Antifas and I have dealt with their views. Is it so odd of me to question the value of throwing rocks at people you disagree with? Especially when you agree with the establishment and have more of a voice than the BNP types.

[Kubra]

be honest
You've never been to one of these demo's, yeah?

No, but I used to talk with Antifas and I have dealt with their views. Is it so odd of me to question the value of throwing rocks at people you disagree with? Especially when you agree with the establishment and have more of a voice than the BNP types.

Nazi's at demo's are often big guys
They're there cuz they know there's gonna be a fight, and they're totally down with that
We gotta keep ringers in reserve for when they decide to throw down

[Jumalariik]

No, but I used to talk with Antifas and I have dealt with their views. Is it so odd of me to question the value of throwing rocks at people you disagree with? Especially when you agree with the establishment and have more of a voice than the BNP types.

Nazi's at demo's are often big guys
They're there cuz they know there's gonna be a fight, and they're totally down with that
We gotta keep ringers in reserve for when they decide to throw down

Why do you need to counter demonstrate? Just let your friends the cops do it.

[Jochistan]

Huh. And here I thought the good old United "God save the Queen" Kingdom would be impartial to the flow of refugees.
Given how they enjoy causing refugees to run in the first place.


That's, actually, pretty much the left in a nutshell: Too busy protecting everyone's precious snowflake (even though said snowflake actually doesn't need protecting) to actually care about the events around them.

"Reports of women being raped en masse by refugees confir--"
"Are you saying something negative about refugees?"
"No, we are reporting multiple incidents where women are being raped and assaulted by refu--"
"You're not supposed to say anything bad about the refugees."
"But what about the safety of the women--"
"What about the feelings of the refugees, you racist?"

- European SJWs.... no, actually just SJWs in a nutshell.

Exactly. Muslims expect their religion and culture to be treated special (and they get it). They really need to get over themselves and assimilate when they move to a western nation, or just stay home.

Nah, "they" really don't. It's never put on a pedestal by the media, the government, by any major political group except an unfortunate vocal minority group of Liberals.

And many/most in the west, although the bad ones are a large amount, don't expect to be coddled or their views to be held on a pedestal.

[Kubra]

Nazi's at demo's are often big guys
They're there cuz they know there's gonna be a fight, and they're totally down with that
We gotta keep ringers in reserve for when they decide to throw down

Why do you need to counter demonstrate? Just let your friends the cops do it.

the role of cops in demo's is to maintain distance between both groups, whichever group is losing is the one they'll escort out. In effect, it makes it seem like they're on the side of the Nazi's, since the counter demo's are usually a lot bigger. They're not, of course.
Y so mad about people generally not liking neo-nazi's?

[TotallyNotEvilLand]

Why do you need to counter demonstrate? Just let your friends the cops do it.

the role of cops in demo's is to maintain distance between both groups, whichever group is losing is the one they'll escort out. In effect, it makes it seem like they're on the side of the Nazi's, since the counter demo's are usually a lot bigger. They're not, of course.
Y so mad about people generally not liking neo-nazi's?

Stormfans usually like to play the role of victim despite nobody buying it, I've noticed.

[Fartsniffage]

I wonder how much paint it would take to turn the cliffs brown?

[Jochistan]

the role of cops in demo's is to maintain distance between both groups, whichever group is losing is the one they'll escort out. In effect, it makes it seem like they're on the side of the Nazi's, since the counter demo's are usually a lot bigger. They're not, of course.
Y so mad about people generally not liking neo-nazi's?

Stormfans usually like to play the role of victim despite nobody buying it, I've noticed.

They do it on NSG all the time "OOOH, my view are being censord by the liberals! oh, boo hoo! feel sorry for me people I want to suppress!"

But I don't think this guys a stormer.

[Ifreann]

the role of cops in demo's is to maintain distance between both groups, whichever group is losing is the one they'll escort out. In effect, it makes it seem like they're on the side of the Nazi's, since the counter demo's are usually a lot bigger. They're not, of course.
Y so mad about people generally not liking neo-nazi's?

Stormfans usually like to play the role of victim despite nobody buying it, I've noticed.

Not letting neo-nazis round up and deport Muslims is the worst kind of oppression.

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I wonder how much paint it would take to turn the cliffs brown?

You could save some by leaving a crescent patch still white.

[TotallyNotEvilLand]

Stormfans usually like to play the role of victim despite nobody buying it, I've noticed.

They do it on NSG all the time "OOOH, my view are being censord by the liberals! oh, boo hoo! feel sorry for me people I want to suppress!"

It's funny in the sadness inducing way.

Stormfans usually like to play the role of victim despite nobody buying it, I've noticed.

Not letting neo-nazis round up and deport Muslims is the worst kind of oppression.

"Call now, and for just pennies a day you can help rescue an oppressed Stormfront browser from the horrific oppression of being told he's making an ass of himself." Just throw in some "Tears of an Angel" and some sad-looking skinheads and we've got a PSA.

[Jochistan]

Stormfans usually like to play the role of victim despite nobody buying it, I've noticed.

Not letting neo-nazis round up and deport Muslims is the worst kind of oppression.

They mostly just advocate deporting non Nazis.

[Jochistan]

Not letting neo-nazis round up and deport Muslims is the worst kind of oppression.

"Call now, and for just pennies a day you can help rescue an oppressed Stormfront browser from the horrific oppression of being told he's making an ass of himself." Just throw in some "Tears of an Angel" and some sad-looking skinheads and we've got a PSA.

This could actually be a video from Brietbart lol.

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

Not as cool as the anti-fascist event in Liverpool.

Neo-Nazis of a certain flavour announced a rally in Liverpool. Sent a letter to the mayor's office basically saying "nice city you've got there, shame if something were to happen to it", suggesting that "certain people" would go to "certain areas" and ignite "race wars" if the police tried to close down on the protest. Claimed they had supporters coming from Germany, Russia etc.

So the police didn't close down on the protest.
Liverpool did.
(Image)
Those are the shins of some fascist hard men cowering in the baggage storage booth in Lime Street station because they got egged.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... zi-9866502

It always perplexed me as to why a Russian would be a Nazi considering Hitler hated Slavs.

Either way, it's nice to see this happen in Liverpool.

[Jumalariik]

Why do you need to counter demonstrate? Just let your friends the cops do it.

the role of cops in demo's is to maintain distance between both groups, whichever group is losing is the one they'll escort out. In effect, it makes it seem like they're on the side of the Nazi's, since the counter demo's are usually a lot bigger. They're not, of course.
Y so mad about people generally not liking neo-nazi's?

Well, fine. That's called keeping the peace. Why not let cops protect whoever wants to protest, then arrest people who get violent? That's how democracy and freedom work. If you think you have the right to prevent people from expressing your views, you do not believe in freedom.

Y so mad? Because it's not just "not liking neo-nazis." It's people trying to prevent them from freely expressing their views.

the role of cops in demo's is to maintain distance between both groups, whichever group is losing is the one they'll escort out. In effect, it makes it seem like they're on the side of the Nazi's, since the counter demo's are usually a lot bigger. They're not, of course.
Y so mad about people generally not liking neo-nazi's?

Stormfans usually like to play the role of victim despite nobody buying it, I've noticed.

What makes me a Stormfan? Oh yeah, you disagree with me. Sorry, I forgot, anybody who is a nationalist is a stormfan. Didn't get the memo. If believing in self determination, independence, solidarity and individual identities for all peoples is racist or white supremacist, then I am. Thing is, that is not white supremacy, that is called a world of free nations and peoples.

[Kubra]

the role of cops in demo's is to maintain distance between both groups, whichever group is losing is the one they'll escort out. In effect, it makes it seem like they're on the side of the Nazi's, since the counter demo's are usually a lot bigger. They're not, of course.
Y so mad about people generally not liking neo-nazi's?

Well, fine. That's called keeping the peace. Why not let cops protect whoever wants to protest, then arrest people who get violent? That's how democracy and freedom work. If you think you have the right to prevent people from expressing your views, you do not believe in freedom.

Y so mad? Because it's not just "not liking neo-nazis." It's people trying to prevent them from freely expressing their views.

That's what the cops do in the first place.
and the counter demo is our opportunity to express our views, that of nazi's being bad. We got the right to such free expression yeah?

[Jumalariik]

Well, fine. That's called keeping the peace. Why not let cops protect whoever wants to protest, then arrest people who get violent? That's how democracy and freedom work. If you think you have the right to prevent people from expressing your views, you do not believe in freedom.

Y so mad? Because it's not just "not liking neo-nazis." It's people trying to prevent them from freely expressing their views.

That's what the cops do in the first place.
and the counter demo is our opportunity to express our views, that of nazi's being bad. We got the right to such free expression yeah?

Yes, you do. I agree that nazis are bad, but Antifa seems to be against nationalism in general.

[Jochistan]

That's what the cops do in the first place.
and the counter demo is our opportunity to express our views, that of nazi's being bad. We got the right to such free expression yeah?

Yes, you do. I agree that nazis are bad, but Antifa seems to be against nationalism in general.

While nazis and other ultranats outright bastardize it. ruining something is worse than just hating it in this case.

[Jumalariik]

Stormfans usually like to play the role of victim despite nobody buying it, I've noticed.

They do it on NSG all the time "OOOH, my view are being censord by the liberals! oh, boo hoo! feel sorry for me people I want to suppress!"

But I don't think this guys a stormer.

I am not a stormer.

[Kubra]

That's what the cops do in the first place.
and the counter demo is our opportunity to express our views, that of nazi's being bad. We got the right to such free expression yeah?

Yes, you do. I agree that nazis are bad, but Antifa seems to be against nationalism in general.

and we have the right to be against nationalism, yeah?

[Kincoboh]

1. You do restrict speech you don't like. Get. Over. It. If a protest that you don't like happens, you folks will throw rocks at them until they leave. Antifa is a terrorist group. If you are Antifa, you are a terrorist plain and simple.

Terrorist? Jeeeeeeeeez! How is exercising one's freedom of speech... restricting free speech?

2. Yes. You are supporting an ideology that benefits elites. If that is cute, cool.

The elites? Which elites? Are they the Illuminati Cultural Marxists? Hail Hydra! I sure hope they have cool costumes.

3. Oh yeah right. Antifa=Stalin or something? The people who fought the good fight, the British and Americans, were not Antifa, they supported democracy. They allowed nazi marches, you would jail them because you know that views other than yours are too logical to consider in dialogue. Maybe we can stop using the Jews as a shield. How about that? Whenever somebody argues for nationalism, y'all seem to start talking about Jews. I never mentioned Jews, you just going all Godwin.

Who said anything about jail? Also, do you not see this pattern of scapegoating one group of people? Come on! How many times do we have to kill each other over this stuff until we stop thinking of one type of people as subhuman?

Now again, if your views are so correct, how come your views are universally hated by most working people? If Hillary-Brown Shirt Antifa views are so radical, why is Trump the favorite of the Blue Collar worker? Why does the BNP get so much support from working class people? Stalinoids are actually not very popularly supported, interestingly enough.

Because anarchists don't have billions of dollars of propaganda behind them. Scapegoats are always easier to pin the blame on than structural problems, because hey, its just one boss replacing the other. Doesn't matter if its the capitalists in America, the fascists in Germany or a member of the politburo in the USSR.

Now, before I seem like a total jerk, I will say this: If you are citing the CNT/FAI as your inspiration, I do have respect for you, and I do wish you well in your endeavors. If on the other hand, you are going to argue in any way that the Soviets were better than the nazis, you are no better than the neo-nazis.

Yeah the Soviets were shitty, that's a given! I'm pretty sure many antifa would agree.

We are individuals seeking to counter-protest people whose ideology caused the deaths of millions.

Read "Counter Protest" as throw rocks and spears at.
Read "Ideology that caused the deaths of millions" as not communism, which killed around 100 million people. For that matter, why do you protest nationalists and not maoists or stalinists? I know that there are a few, their views are actually worse in terms of deathcount than the nationalists. Further than that, who are you to say that nationalism is bad? If you are not a nationalist, it does not mean that others should not be able to support their nation's interests.

The Nazis massacred millions specifically because of certain characteristics that they deemed arbitrarily undesirable. They were stopped before they could kill more people - and I'm sure they would have killed more than what happened in the holocaust had they won - for no other reason besides the fact that they were an other conveniently used as the reason to all the world's problems. You can go around comparing death counts all you want, because I won't disagree that the USSR, and other authoritarian Communist states, were repressive regimes that killed millions. However, the systematic extermination of cultures and groups, that to me is just as bad - if not worse because of the intent behind it. If I had to choose between the world order we have now, or either the Soviet sphere or if the Nazis had won, I would say that I'm grateful that the former is what we ended up with. Workers often had worse conditions under these brutal regimes than in liberal republics.

[Ifreann]

That's what the cops do in the first place.
and the counter demo is our opportunity to express our views, that of nazi's being bad. We got the right to such free expression yeah?

Yes, you do. I agree that nazis are bad, but Antifa seems to be against nationalism in general.

Oh noes, they disagree with you? They must be terrorists who hate free speech.

[Jumalariik]

Yes, you do. I agree that nazis are bad, but Antifa seems to be against nationalism in general.

While nazis and other ultranats outright bastardize it. ruining something is worse than just hating it in this case.

I don't know about that. Nazis and ultranats will never oppose nationalist symbols or ideology, Antifa and other far leftists might.

[Kubra]

While nazis and other ultranats outright bastardize it. ruining something is worse than just hating it in this case.

I don't know about that. Nazis and ultranats will never oppose nationalist symbols or ideology, Antifa and other far leftists might.

but that lot won't ever oppose gassing da j00z

[Allanea]

Violently attacking people who you disagree with is fascism, even if the people you disagree with are fascists themselves.