Bloody Sunday; IRA and General Anglo/Irish Discussion Thread

[Cetacea]

Well, there are Spanish Celtic nations, but it's only Celtic in the way that Estonia is Nordic, or Finland is Scandinavian - i.e. marginally. I think most Spaniards don't identify with being Celtic anymore

The six territories recognised as Celtic nations are Brittany (Breizh), Cornwall (Kernow), Wales (Cymru), Scotland (Alba), Ireland (Éire), and the Isle of Man (Mannin). Each has a Celtic language that is either still spoken or was spoken into modern times. There are no Celtic nations in Spain ...if we go by ancestry and history France is Celtic and so is Portugal.

I wonder - given that Ankara is the capital of Galatia should modern Turkey also be considered a Celtic nation?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Its just.. idk it just puts me off. Same with liver.

I suppose you would be the cunt.

K mate.

still didnt explain what you were talking about but k.

[Nariterrr]

The six territories recognised as Celtic nations are Brittany (Breizh), Cornwall (Kernow), Wales (Cymru), Scotland (Alba), Ireland (Éire), and the Isle of Man (Mannin). Each has a Celtic language that is either still spoken or was spoken into modern times. There are no Celtic nations in Spain ...if we go by ancestry and history France is Celtic and so is Portugal.

I wonder - given that Ankara is the capital of Galatia should modern Turkey also be considered a Celtic nation?

No, Turks are not (relatives of) Celts.

[Napkiraly]

Well, there are Spanish Celtic nations, but it's only Celtic in the way that Estonia is Nordic, or Finland is Scandinavian - i.e. marginally. I think most Spaniards don't identify with being Celtic anymore

The six territories recognised as Celtic nations are Brittany (Breizh), Cornwall (Kernow), Wales (Cymru), Scotland (Alba), Ireland (Éire), and the Isle of Man (Mannin). Each has a Celtic language that is either still spoken or was spoken into modern times. There are no Celtic nations in Spain ...if we go by ancestry and history France is Celtic and so is Portugal.

And sizeable chunks of Central and Eastern Europe.

[Camelza]

The six territories recognised as Celtic nations are Brittany (Breizh), Cornwall (Kernow), Wales (Cymru), Scotland (Alba), Ireland (Éire), and the Isle of Man (Mannin). Each has a Celtic language that is either still spoken or was spoken into modern times. There are no Celtic nations in Spain ...if we go by ancestry and history France is Celtic and so is Portugal.

And sizeable chunks of Central and Eastern Europe.

Pretty much the majority of Europe.

[Revolts in Dublin]

_ roman deathstars _

[Glasgia]

I'm not aware of specific ethnic data, but Galicians very definitely claim Celtic ancestry. To what extent that's actually true I have no idea.

[Kauthar]

The six territories recognised as Celtic nations are Brittany (Breizh), Cornwall (Kernow), Wales (Cymru), Scotland (Alba), Ireland (Éire), and the Isle of Man (Mannin). Each has a Celtic language that is either still spoken or was spoken into modern times. There are no Celtic nations in Spain ...if we go by ancestry and history France is Celtic and so is Portugal.

I wonder - given that Ankara is the capital of Galatia should modern Turkey also be considered a Celtic nation?

No. I do not want to be associated with a Turk. Besides, I only said France and Spain because of Britanny and Galicia.

The six territories recognised as Celtic nations are Brittany (Breizh), Cornwall (Kernow), Wales (Cymru), Scotland (Alba), Ireland (Éire), and the Isle of Man (Mannin). Each has a Celtic language that is either still spoken or was spoken into modern times. There are no Celtic nations in Spain ...if we go by ancestry and history France is Celtic and so is Portugal.

And sizeable chunks of Central and Eastern Europe.

We're talking about the modern celtic nations not what happened before the Romans.

[Ledaziemia]

As a person of Irish descent (RoI father, UK Mother) and having lived in Northern Ireland, I find it weird how people who have no relation to the state consider a violent terrorist hub the preferred way of uniting Ireland. I am equally disgusted at the people who openly support the 'I'RA and their actions, but I also find it interesting how much support comes from them from foreigners. They seem to ignore the fact how much of a toll the Troubles had in Northern Ireland, and the UK in general. Granted, a fool. Isn't say 'one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter' yet that is a rather black and white way of seeing things. Killing children and off-duty soldiers is certainly not a path a 'freedom fighter' should take.

I also find it interesting that people ignore the fact that the majority of the Northern Irish might want to be stay part of the UK and work to overcome the dark times that the Troubles were.

[Camelza]

The six territories recognised as Celtic nations are Brittany (Breizh), Cornwall (Kernow), Wales (Cymru), Scotland (Alba), Ireland (Éire), and the Isle of Man (Mannin). Each has a Celtic language that is either still spoken or was spoken into modern times. There are no Celtic nations in Spain ...if we go by ancestry and history France is Celtic and so is Portugal.

I wonder - given that Ankara is the capital of Galatia should modern Turkey also be considered a Celtic nation?

By the 'ancestry' logic? Propably. That's why I'll leave it to ethnologists and the Celtic League to decide which is a Celtic nation and which is not. Though truth be told; whatever floats its peoples' boat.

I'm not aware of specific ethnic data, but Galicians very definitely claim Celtic ancestry. To what extent that's actually true I have no idea.

They're not recognised by the Celtic League, they do not speak a Celtic language and they do not really care. So, while Galicians claim celtic ancestry, I doubt they consider themselves a Celtic nation.

[Cruithneach]

Oppresses you with haggis, bagpipes and kilts

Hmm, sorry man but the English have this beat 3-2.

Haggis is... just no, i cant stom- (caught myself mid way here)d i cant imagine eating that.

What? What's wrong with Haggis? Afterwords, you can wash it down with some Whisky, then have a bottle of Bucky with a Deep Fried Mars Bar...

(The awkward moment when you mock your own country, despite knowing that Deep Fried Mars Bars and Buckfast are pretty much unique to Glasgow, and HAggis is usually only eaten on special occasion)

[Napkiraly]

I wonder - given that Ankara is the capital of Galatia should modern Turkey also be considered a Celtic nation?

No. I do not want to be associated with a Turk. Besides, I only said France and Spain because of Britanny and Galicia.

And sizeable chunks of Central and Eastern Europe.

We're talking about the modern celtic nations not what happened before the Romans.

Right, and Galicians may have Celtic ancestry but I don't reckon they think of themselves as a Celtic nation nor do they speak a Celtic language. Their time as Celts was before Rome and during the Roman period. Now they embrace the paella.

[Vassenor]

Hmm, sorry man but the English have this beat 3-2.

Haggis is... just no, i cant stom- (caught myself mid way here)d i cant imagine eating that.

What? What's wrong with Haggis? Afterwords, you can wash it down with some Whisky, then have a bottle of Bucky with a Deep Fried Mars Bar...

(The awkward moment when you mock your own country, despite knowing that Deep Fried Mars Bars and Buckfast are pretty much unique to Glasgow, and HAggis is usually only eaten on special occasion)

To be fair the closest I get to being Scottish is drinking IRN BRU sometimes. Feel free to chase me with a pitchfork.

[The Nihilistic view]

Hmm, sorry man but the English have this beat 3-2.

Haggis is... just no, i cant stom- (caught myself mid way here)d i cant imagine eating that.

What? What's wrong with Haggis? Afterwords, you can wash it down with some Whisky, then have a bottle of Bucky with a Deep Fried Mars Bar...

(The awkward moment when you mock your own country, despite knowing that Deep Fried Mars Bars and Buckfast are pretty much unique to Glasgow, and HAggis is usually only eaten on special occasion)

What? Buckfast is from an abby in Devon. Not unique to Glasgow at all. It's not even Scottish.

[Vassenor]

What? What's wrong with Haggis? Afterwords, you can wash it down with some Whisky, then have a bottle of Bucky with a Deep Fried Mars Bar...

(The awkward moment when you mock your own country, despite knowing that Deep Fried Mars Bars and Buckfast are pretty much unique to Glasgow, and HAggis is usually only eaten on special occasion)

What? Buckfast is from an abby in Devon. Not unique to Glasgow at all. It's not even Scottish.

Buckfast Tonic Wine, commonly known as Buckfast or Buckie, is a fortified wine with caffeine, licensed from Buckfast Abbey in Devon and distributed by J. Chandler & Company in the United Kingdom and Grants of Ireland in Ireland.

The drink has become a subject of controversy in Scotland due to its links with ned culture; a senior politician labelled it as "a badge of pride amongst those who are involved in antisocial behaviour".[1]

Buckfast is very popular in Scotland, the sales of the product were monitored in 2014 by the Scottish government to see the "Buckfast Triangle" still stood. The test showed that the towns and cities where Buckfast was sold highest per Capita was: 1.Glasgow and surrounding areas 2.East Kilbride 3.Hamilton 4.Cambuslang 5.Coatbridge This test shows that many South Lanarkshire has the most areas in the top five showing it is very popular there.

[Cruithneach]

What? What's wrong with Haggis? Afterwords, you can wash it down with some Whisky, then have a bottle of Bucky with a Deep Fried Mars Bar...

(The awkward moment when you mock your own country, despite knowing that Deep Fried Mars Bars and Buckfast are pretty much unique to Glasgow, and HAggis is usually only eaten on special occasion)

To be fair the closest I get to being Scottish is drinking IRN BRU sometimes. Feel free to chase me with a pitchfork.

I'm from Scotland, and the closest I get to 'Scottish' is occasionaly saying 'Aye' or 'wee'. I don't like kilts, most bagpipers are crap (Antii Martikainen's "King of the Highlands" is one of the few times the bagpipe is used right) I'm teetotal, pacifist, brown-haired, blue-eyed, have a face akin to that of a twelve year old girl from Sweden, I don't hate the English (but I am Pro-Independence). I also amn't overweight, in poverty or unemployed, I've never taken drugs, and cannot stand the aforementioned Deep-Fried Mars Bar. I am a Scot in name only, despite havIng been raised in the Scottish Central Belt.
Mind you, most of that stuff is Glasgow and Edinburgh. Aberdonians are sheep-shaggers, Dundee folk are penniless and people from the Highland speak in a foreign tongue to me, which sucks, because that's my native tongue.

[Camelza]

most bagpipers are crap (Antii Martikainen's "King of the Highlands" is one of the few times the bagpipe is used right)

You certainly haven't listened to Donald MacLeod.

[The Nihilistic view]

What? Buckfast is from an abby in Devon. Not unique to Glasgow at all. It's not even Scottish.

Buckfast Tonic Wine, commonly known as Buckfast or Buckie, is a fortified wine with caffeine, licensed from Buckfast Abbey in Devon and distributed by J. Chandler & Company in the United Kingdom and Grants of Ireland in Ireland.

The drink has become a subject of controversy in Scotland due to its links with ned culture; a senior politician labelled it as "a badge of pride amongst those who are involved in antisocial behaviour".[1]

Buckfast is very popular in Scotland, the sales of the product were monitored in 2014 by the Scottish government to see the "Buckfast Triangle" still stood. The test showed that the towns and cities where Buckfast was sold highest per Capita was: 1.Glasgow and surrounding areas 2.East Kilbride 3.Hamilton 4.Cambuslang 5.Coatbridge This test shows that many South Lanarkshire has the most areas in the top five showing it is very popular there.

Defo conferms it's unique to Glasgow........not.

[Vassenor]

Defo conferms it's unique to Glasgow........not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckfast_ ... n_Scotland

Doesn't have to be unique to be a thing.

[The Nihilistic view]

Defo conferms it's unique to Glasgow........not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckfast_ ... n_Scotland

Doesn't have to be unique to be a thing.

It does when the coversation in question is about whether it's unique or not.

[Farnhamia]

Its just.. idk it just puts me off. Same with liver.

I suppose you would be the cunt.

It's edible, but it has to be spiced and cooked correctly.

This would be flaming, is what it would be. I'm letting you off with a word to the wise but try to avoid it in the future. And "It's my culture!" is not an excuse.

[Drumnashallogue]

The Brits invaded another people and another nation. All cultures and peoples should be entitled to a sovereign state where they are the absolute majority.

Eh, technically it was the French who invaded Ireland. We should blame them.

An American once said to me "give Ireland back to the Irish" I replied by saying "give the USA back to the native Americans"

[King Lorcan]

Free Ireland! My great grandpa fought for the IRA in the 1920s and I'm proud to be part of his bloodline. One day the celtic nations will be liberated from France, Spain and the British Empire.

Well you are the one who's been advocating for ethnic cleansing, so...

Didn't the British do that? It was called the potato "Famine"

So why should people in the South be allowed to overrule what the people in the North want?

Because the north is just an example of how colonialism still exists today - like Scotland, the Falklands, Hong Kong and The South.

All the examples you gave except the Falklands are at least to an extent true. There was no population on the Falklands, so it wasn't quite like the other 3. Scotland technically speaking, inherited England but they died out so other people took the throne. Hong Kong has gone back to the Chinese, so not anymore. The South was colonised by the plantations of Normans and I know that I am partially descended from one of these families in particular, the Butlers and ironically enough, some of their former enemies. Ulster however suffered the brunt of the plantation after one particular rebellion by the O'Neills and so now are much more British than Irish. This is a case there is no clear outcome. The British unjustly colonised Ulster with the plantations, but they've been there so long that there is little they can do about it. The Irish are in the minority in Northern Ireland and have been repressed under British rule. Since they are a minority, there is little they can do about the unjustness. So it basically means the status quo shall remain as always.

[Vashtanaraada]

I hope the Orangemen and Irish Republicans in Liverpool only follow and keep their traditions now.
I couldn't imagine it being like the '50s.

[Vashtanaraada]

Eh, technically it was the French who invaded Ireland. We should blame them.

An American once said to me "give Ireland back to the Irish" I replied by saying "give the USA back to the native Americans"

Give Britain back to the Celts!