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by Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:52 pm
by New confederate ramenia » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:53 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:Anyone who objects to the singular they can get the fuck out of my English language.
It says on wikipedia
''The singular they is the use of this pronoun as a gender-neutral singular rather than as a plural pronoun. The correctness of this usage is disputed.''
Which is why I think we need to push back harder. Rather than just playing by their rules and using ''they,'' we should introduce a new pronoun and reinforce it upon the population.
by Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:54 pm
by Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:55 pm
New confederate ramenia wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
It says on wikipedia
''The singular they is the use of this pronoun as a gender-neutral singular rather than as a plural pronoun. The correctness of this usage is disputed.''
Which is why I think we need to push back harder. Rather than just playing by their rules and using ''they,'' we should introduce a new pronoun and reinforce it upon the population.
What do you think of languages with more gender than English? Do you think people should just make everything neuter? What if there is no neuter gender, like in Spanish? Should everyone just switch everything to masculine?
Saying that English should be the only language isn't a valid answer.
by Conscentia » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:55 pm
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by Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:57 pm
by The Ben Boys » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:58 pm
by Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:00 pm
by New confederate ramenia » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:02 pm
Australian Republic wrote:Ifreann wrote:You're welcome to go join them if you think that's more important than posting on the internet.
Not what I meant. What I meant was that the amount of money and resources wasted (yes this would require vast amounts of money and resources) to change this insignificant little detail would be better spent on solving real, actual problems
by Gatito » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:09 pm
Australian Republic wrote:This is a case of political correctness gone too far
by Kathmandue » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:15 pm
by The Two Jerseys » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:35 pm
New confederate ramenia wrote:Australian Republic wrote:Not what I meant. What I meant was that the amount of money and resources wasted (yes this would require vast amounts of money and resources) to change this insignificant little detail would be better spent on solving real, actual problems
Why not just start a war to enforce gender neutral pronouns.
by Ifreann » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:39 pm
Australian Republic wrote:Ifreann wrote:You're welcome to go join them if you think that's more important than posting on the internet.
Not what I meant. What I meant was that the amount of money and resources wasted (yes this would require vast amounts of money and resources) to change this insignificant little detail would be better spent on solving real, actual problems
The Ben Boys wrote:The modern world has gotten along with he/she pretty well. If certain people really want to be described as gender neutral, then fine, I'll respect that. If they force me, either socially or legally, then screw that, I'll call you a platypus if I want to.
Australian Republic wrote:This is a case of political correctness gone too far
Gatito wrote:Australian Republic wrote:This is a case of political correctness gone too far
Exactly. They're just words for crying out loud. And not even those but, pronouns. People need to learn to suck up their self-induced tears and stop trying to bring about a social revolution by trying to rewrite a dictionary.
Kathmandue wrote:Do you even English?
Stop trying to be "Politically Correct". It's goddamn words. You don't need to rewrite the Oxford Dictionary.
by Fortitudinem » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:42 pm
by Ifreann » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:43 pm
Fortitudinem wrote:I use It (demeaning/ informal) or They (respectful/ formal) when speaking of someone I don't know the gender of/ prefer not to specify. And, even though I will respect the personal choices of others and call them by their preferred pronoun, I believe in science: there are two biological genders, XX and XY (although mutations do exist, but I'm not getting into those).
by Infected Mushroom » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:45 pm
New confederate ramenia wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
It says on wikipedia
''The singular they is the use of this pronoun as a gender-neutral singular rather than as a plural pronoun. The correctness of this usage is disputed.''
Which is why I think we need to push back harder. Rather than just playing by their rules and using ''they,'' we should introduce a new pronoun and reinforce it upon the population.
What do you think of languages with more gender than English? Do you think people should just make everything neuter? What if there is no neuter gender, like in Spanish? Should everyone just switch everything to masculine?
Saying that English should be the only language isn't a valid answer.
by New confederate ramenia » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:47 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:New confederate ramenia wrote:What do you think of languages with more gender than English? Do you think people should just make everything neuter? What if there is no neuter gender, like in Spanish? Should everyone just switch everything to masculine?
Saying that English should be the only language isn't a valid answer.
The use of gender-specific pronouns to refer to a non-specific person, in any language, is inherently discriminatory. It doesn't matter what language this is in; the total number of available and widely-accepted gender specific pronouns in the specific language is irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is... 1. Are we talking about a non-specific person here? 2. Are we using a gender-specific pronoun (probably male)?
If so... we have a problem. The language is irrelevant. In other situations, there could also be problems (for example, if the pronoun we are using is imprecise or dehumanising).
by Conscentia » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:51 pm
Fortitudinem wrote:I use It (demeaning/ informal) or They (respectful/ formal) when speaking of someone I don't know the gender of/ prefer not to specify. And, even though I will respect the personal choices of others and call them by their preferred pronoun, I believe in science: there are two biological genders, XX and XY (although mutations do exist, but I'm not getting into those).
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by Conscentia » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:56 pm
New confederate ramenia wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:The use of gender-specific pronouns to refer to a non-specific person, in any language, is inherently discriminatory. It doesn't matter what language this is in; the total number of available and widely-accepted gender specific pronouns in the specific language is irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is... 1. Are we talking about a non-specific person here? 2. Are we using a gender-specific pronoun (probably male)?
If so... we have a problem. The language is irrelevant. In other situations, there could also be problems (for example, if the pronoun we are using is imprecise or dehumanising).
There are languages where EVERYTHING is gendered. What do you do?
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by New confederate ramenia » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:59 pm
by Arcturus Novus » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:59 pm
Fortitudinem wrote:I use It (demeaning/ informal) or They (respectful/ formal) when speaking of someone I don't know the gender of/ prefer not to specify. And, even though I will respect the personal choices of others and call them by their preferred pronoun, I believe in science: there are two biological genders, XX and XY (although mutations do exist, but I'm not getting into those).
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Conscentia » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:10 pm
New confederate ramenia wrote:Conscentia wrote:Infected Mushroom isn't talking about grammatical gender.
In certain languages, creating gender-neutral pronouns becomes nearly impossible due to the gendering. The way that everything is either masculine or feminine in these languages could be considered offensive and erasing non-binary people.
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by Vorond » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:17 pm
Conscentia wrote:Vorond wrote:This is ridiculous, don't you have something more worthwhile to worry about?
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/first-world-problems
by Arcturus Novus » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:18 pm
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.
by Ifreann » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:19 pm
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