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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:56 am

New Benian Republic wrote:
Gurori wrote:
Sex and Gender are the same thing unless you're talking about the gender that the person defines themself as (E.g: A Man who is yet to have an operation to become a woman referring themselves ad female).

They aren't though.
Sex is genetalia wise whereas gender is what they identify as, for example a transgender may identify their gender as female but they still are of the male sex. Not a discriminatory thing though nesecarilly.

And how do you think this pertains to gender neutral pronouns and the use of them?
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Gurori
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Postby Gurori » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:57 am

Well I goofed, sorry if I offended anyone.
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This nation will never reflect my actual views.
Also, NS Stats are absolutely non-canon.

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Harkback Union
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Postby Harkback Union » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:59 am

Telmatherina wrote:Only Neo is the One


Fasle!
Agent Smith is the one.

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Postby Gurori » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:00 am

Harkback Union wrote:
Telmatherina wrote:Only Neo is the One


Fasle!
Agent Smith is the one.


BLASPHEMY!

Chuck Norris is THE ONE.
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Nerotysia
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Postby Nerotysia » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:03 am

Gurori wrote:Well I goofed, sorry if I offended anyone.

I'm highly offended by your apology. You can try and apologize but then I'll just be offended again. You need to close the loop.

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Postby Harkback Union » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:04 am

Gurori wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:
Fasle!
Agent Smith is the one.


BLASPHEMY!

Chuck Norris is THE ONE.


Chuck Norris is the new, updated Agent Smith for this version of the Matrix.

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Postby New Benian Republic » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:13 am

Ifreann wrote:
New Benian Republic wrote:They aren't though.
Sex is genetalia wise whereas gender is what they identify as, for example a transgender may identify their gender as female but they still are of the male sex. Not a discriminatory thing though nesecarilly.

And how do you think this pertains to gender neutral pronouns and the use of them?

Because (insert intelligent and well thought out explanation), in all honesty I feel like I got slightly side tracked.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:25 am

Frenline Delpha wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
it revolves around everyone, and everyone has an obligation to refrain from perpetuating harmful labels and discrimination

:palm:
No. Society doesn't give two shit cupcakes about anybody. You could die today and society would still function. We saw an example recently. A prominent figure here died, but the forums still continued like normal. I don't want to disrespect said person, but it's the fact of life. Life doesn't care. It doesn't care if you find something offensive. It just doesn't fucking give a shit. It's harsh, but it's true. I revolves around works, not people. It revolves around actions, not feelings. And is you consider using "he" harmful when speaking about an anonymous person, then I just don't know what to say...


In many cases, it does. For instance, human rights legislation is in place in many jurisdictions to make racist comments and behaviour actionable.

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Postby Gurori » Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:22 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Frenline Delpha wrote: :palm:
No. Society doesn't give two shit cupcakes about anybody. You could die today and society would still function. We saw an example recently. A prominent figure here died, but the forums still continued like normal. I don't want to disrespect said person, but it's the fact of life. Life doesn't care. It doesn't care if you find something offensive. It just doesn't fucking give a shit. It's harsh, but it's true. I revolves around works, not people. It revolves around actions, not feelings. And is you consider using "he" harmful when speaking about an anonymous person, then I just don't know what to say...


In many cases, it does. For instance, human rights legislation is in place in many jurisdictions to make racist comments and behaviour actionable.


Why do you make such confusing, controversial topics?
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Nerotysia
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Postby Nerotysia » Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:34 pm

Gurori wrote:Why do you make such confusing, controversial topics?

More like confusing, silly topics.

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Pope Joan
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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:40 pm

In the UK it used to be common to refer to a child as "it". I like that! Saves a lot of bother and wasted ink.


"Each child hung up its stocking at Christmas"

Why not?

The word for child in Greek, τέκνον, is neuter after all.
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:45 pm

Gurori wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
In many cases, it does. For instance, human rights legislation is in place in many jurisdictions to make racist comments and behaviour actionable.


Why do you make such confusing, controversial topics?

There's nothing confusing or controversial about this.
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Postby Vorond » Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:35 pm

This is ridiculous, don't you have something more worthwhile to worry about?
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Postby The Alexanderians » Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:08 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Vorond wrote:This is ridiculous, don't you have something more worthwhile to worry about?

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/first-world-problems

What's that have to do with anything
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:15 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:

What's that have to do with anything


Because apparently this debate is serious enough that "appeal to worse problems" isn't a valid argument.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:37 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:'

Which is why I think we need to push back harder. Rather than just playing by their rules and using ''they,'' we should introduce a new pronoun and reinforce it upon the population.

That's a horrible, horrible abuse of human rights "use this expression or else"
Human rights aside. Human rights completely aside:
:rofl: :rofl: :lol2: :lol2:
How do you plan on doing that?
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Postby Isetnonotekh » Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:52 pm

Frenline Delpha wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:Man Infected Mushroom's been infected by Chessmistress. What were the odds?

I'd say they were pretty good. Personally, I will continue to use he as a gender nuetral term. To me, when used towards an anonymous person, he means human in genral.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:02 pm

Vorond wrote:This is ridiculous, don't you have something more worthwhile to worry about?

Interesting question. Do you have more worthwhile things to worry about? Or is your life so rosy that how strangers on the internet spend their time is your biggest worry?
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:25 pm

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Postby Immoren » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:29 pm

Australian Republic wrote:


(S)he?
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:44 pm

In the meanwhile, about 1/3 of the world is at war...
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:46 pm

Australian Republic wrote:In the meanwhile, about 1/3 of the world is at war...

You're welcome to go join them if you think that's more important than posting on the internet.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:48 pm

Australian Republic wrote:In the meanwhile, about 1/3 of the world is at war...

My country has been involved in foreign wars in some way for almost the entire 21st century...
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