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What kind of Leftist are you?

Centrist/Moderate/Third wayer (Centrists usually reside within Leftist parties, so I thought I'd include them).
279
13%
Social Liberal
259
12%
Social Democrat
338
16%
Green Progressive
188
9%
Democratic Socialist
433
20%
Marxist Communist
246
12%
Anarchist Communist
202
10%
Other (please state)
176
8%
 
Total votes : 2121

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Venerable Bede
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Postby Venerable Bede » Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:52 am

Pandeeria wrote:
Venerable Bede wrote:I don't think so, he was critical of communists who were critical of Obama for not being "radical enough," and when on to state that he thought Obama's healthcare reforms were good, and it was unrealistic to expect something more radical from the American political system.


Undoubtably Zizek, bless his meme lord heart, is a flip flopper like that and I'd say is rather wrong overall. However, he encouraged his followers to vote Trump, as he hoped that Trump would be that great awakening for the American public when he fucks everything up by deregulating it to all hell IE Accelerationism.

No, he said he wanted Trump to win because it would force the left to wake and say, "Okay, we lost to a guy like Trump...clearly siding with Wall Street isn't going to work anymore if we want to get popular support, so we need to try actually addressing the needs of labor."
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Communist Xomaniax
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:50 am

Do my fellow comrades of the LWDT actually like Zizek?
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Bhikkustan
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Postby Bhikkustan » Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:57 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:Do my fellow comrades of the LWDT actually like Zizek?


He's funny. I do t know enough about his actual ideas, but he is funny and that's something,
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Reatra
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Postby Reatra » Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:00 pm

yee haw it's time for mass line

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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:07 pm

Venerable Bede wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Comrade Bernie Sanders will join their ranks.

I can't tell if Bernie's strategy on trying to introduce Socialism (and from there, Communism) to the general American public is good or not. Howev r considering how popular he is amongst the the youth, I'd say there is quite some hope.

Isn't Sanders more of a Scandinavian socialist than a Red?

I'm hoping he's a classic social democrat.
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Reatra
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Postby Reatra » Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:20 pm

Venerable Bede wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Comrade Bernie Sanders will join their ranks.

I can't tell if Bernie's strategy on trying to introduce Socialism (and from there, Communism) to the general American public is good or not. Howev r considering how popular he is amongst the the youth, I'd say there is quite some hope.

Isn't Sanders more of a Scandinavian socialist than a Red?


I'm starting to get the feeling that he only was like that because he'd never get anywhere in the election as a real socialist.

I mean, he's talking about grassroots revolutions and the need to educate, organize, and mobilize... Plus he's publically praised Eugene Debs.

Either way, he's getting millions of young people to actually google the word "socialism", I can't tell you how many socialists were Berniebros before July.
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Pandeeria
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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:45 pm

Venerable Bede wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Undoubtably Zizek, bless his meme lord heart, is a flip flopper like that and I'd say is rather wrong overall. However, he encouraged his followers to vote Trump, as he hoped that Trump would be that great awakening for the American public when he fucks everything up by deregulating it to all hell IE Accelerationism.

No, he said he wanted Trump to win because it would force the left to wake and say, "Okay, we lost to a guy like Trump...clearly siding with Wall Street isn't going to work anymore if we want to get popular support, so we need to try actually addressing the needs of labor."


He specifically used the term "great awakening" on the American populace. Whether or not that includes the Democratic Party's reaction can be debated, but he was describing that the general American population would realize that maybe things aren't as great as they really can be and that we shouldn't elect such a conservative jackass as Donald J. Trump to office.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Evodia
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Postby Evodia » Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:46 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Venerable Bede wrote:Isn't Sanders more of a Scandinavian socialist than a Red?

I'm hoping he's a classic social democrat.


I think that's pretty much correct; it's actually a little odd that he describes himself as a "socialist" when he is in fact a social democrat.
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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:01 pm

Evodia wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:I'm hoping he's a classic social democrat.


I think that's pretty much correct; it's actually a little odd that he describes himself as a "socialist" when he is in fact a social democrat.

Oh yeah, but I'm putting "classic" up there coz the old social democrats wanted to reform their way to socialism. Very different to their Third Way counterparts today, they barely deserve the name.
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Mattopilos
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Postby Mattopilos » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:55 pm

Communist Xomaniax wrote:Do my fellow comrades of the LWDT actually like Zizek?


No, I find him to be kind of a dumbass... but in a way, he did kinda get people into more leftist ideas, so I am indifferent, mostly. A good meme either way.
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Pros:Anarchy, Communism (not that of Stalin or Mao), abortion rights, LGBTI rights, secularism i.e. SOCAS, Agnostic atheism, free speech (within reason), science, most dark humor, dialectic egoism, anarcha-feminism.
Cons: Capitalism, Free market, Gnostic atheism and theism, the far right, intolerance of any kind, dictatorships, pseudoscience and snake-oil peddling, imperialism and overuse of military, liberalism, radical and liberal feminism

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Venerable Bede
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Postby Venerable Bede » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:21 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Venerable Bede wrote:No, he said he wanted Trump to win because it would force the left to wake and say, "Okay, we lost to a guy like Trump...clearly siding with Wall Street isn't going to work anymore if we want to get popular support, so we need to try actually addressing the needs of labor."


He specifically used the term "great awakening" on the American populace. Whether or not that includes the Democratic Party's reaction can be debated, but he was describing that the general American population would realize that maybe things aren't as great as they really can be and that we shouldn't elect such a conservative jackass as Donald J. Trump to office.

His issue was more with Clinton, and he quoted Trump about saying that seeing Sanders endorse Clinton, is like seeing Occupy Wall Street endorse Fannie Mae. He then said that meant something is seriously wrong with the left in America, and if they lose to Trump, it will force them to reevaluate their focus.
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The Path to Salvation
The Way of a Pilgrim
Nihilism: The Root of the Revolution of the Modern Age
The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning, but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth. (Ecclesiastes 7:4)
A sacrifice to God is a brokenspirit; a broken and humbled heart God will not despise. (Psalm 50:19--Orthodox, Protestant 51:19)
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. (2 Corinthians 7:10)
And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you? (Luke 12:13-14)

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The Grand Puffle Republic
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Founded: Feb 05, 2016
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Postby The Grand Puffle Republic » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:37 pm

Hey everyone, I am the socialist that runs a coffee shop/bar. The peaceful coffee shop in Chicago
#SocialismforLife,#MakeAmericaSocialist
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Venerable Bede
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Postby Venerable Bede » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:38 pm

The Grand Puffle Republic wrote:Hey everyone, I am the socialist that runs a coffee shop/bar. The peaceful coffee shop in Chicago
#SocialismforLife,#MakeAmericaSocialist

Pure ideology.
Orthodox Christian
The Path to Salvation
The Way of a Pilgrim
Nihilism: The Root of the Revolution of the Modern Age
The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning, but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth. (Ecclesiastes 7:4)
A sacrifice to God is a brokenspirit; a broken and humbled heart God will not despise. (Psalm 50:19--Orthodox, Protestant 51:19)
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. (2 Corinthians 7:10)
And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you? (Luke 12:13-14)

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Pandeeria
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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:07 pm

The Grand Puffle Republic wrote:Hey everyone, I am the socialist that runs a coffee shop/bar. The peaceful coffee shop in Chicago
#SocialismforLife,#MakeAmericaSocialist


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Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Mattopilos
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Postby Mattopilos » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:36 pm

Venerable Bede wrote:
The Grand Puffle Republic wrote:Hey everyone, I am the socialist that runs a coffee shop/bar. The peaceful coffee shop in Chicago
#SocialismforLife,#MakeAmericaSocialist

Pure ideology.


Did someone say P U R E__I D E O L O G Y
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Dialectic egoist/Communist Egoist, Post-left anarchist, moral nihilist, Intersectional Anarcha-feminist.
my political compass:Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23

Pros:Anarchy, Communism (not that of Stalin or Mao), abortion rights, LGBTI rights, secularism i.e. SOCAS, Agnostic atheism, free speech (within reason), science, most dark humor, dialectic egoism, anarcha-feminism.
Cons: Capitalism, Free market, Gnostic atheism and theism, the far right, intolerance of any kind, dictatorships, pseudoscience and snake-oil peddling, imperialism and overuse of military, liberalism, radical and liberal feminism

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Communist Xomaniax
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:45 pm

Anybody know any good communist/socialist YouTubers?
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Venerable Bede
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Postby Venerable Bede » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:47 pm

Communist Xomaniax wrote:Anybody know any good communist/socialist YouTubers?

Zizek. Although reading works is better than watching YouTube. Even for Zizek.
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The Path to Salvation
The Way of a Pilgrim
Nihilism: The Root of the Revolution of the Modern Age
The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning, but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth. (Ecclesiastes 7:4)
A sacrifice to God is a brokenspirit; a broken and humbled heart God will not despise. (Psalm 50:19--Orthodox, Protestant 51:19)
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. (2 Corinthians 7:10)
And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you? (Luke 12:13-14)

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Deutsche Demokratische Reich
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Postby Deutsche Demokratische Reich » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:52 pm

Clearly I know the best. Its Pierre Trudank
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:00 pm

Communist Xomaniax wrote:Do my fellow comrades of the LWDT actually like Zizek?


I do. Not the accelerationist Zizek as of recent, but what he actually wrote. The Sublime Object of Ideology is pretty good.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:04 pm

Communist Xomaniax wrote:Anybody know any good communist/socialist YouTubers?


Not-Meme:
Libsoc Rants
Xexizy
Thom Avella
Rebel Absurdity
stimulator
anarchopac

Meme:
Pierre Tru Dank
Schnitz Productions
/leftypol/ videos
hbomberguy
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Deutsche Demokratische Reich
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Postby Deutsche Demokratische Reich » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:08 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Communist Xomaniax wrote:Anybody know any good communist/socialist YouTubers?



Schnitz Productions



oh senpai, you shouldnt have. *anime blush*
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Pandeeria
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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:56 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Communist Xomaniax wrote:Anybody know any good communist/socialist YouTubers?


Not-Meme:
Libsoc Rants
Xexizy
Thom Avella
Rebel Absurdity
stimulator
anarchopac

Meme:
Pierre Tru Dank
Schnitz Productions
/leftypol/ videos
hbomberguy


Are there any that are a nice blend of memes and actual information?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Bhikkustan
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Postby Bhikkustan » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:59 pm

Communist Xomaniax wrote:Anybody know any good communist/socialist YouTubers?

Finnish Bolshevik is good, if a little tankie
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Kilobugya
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Postby Kilobugya » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:38 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:Do my fellow comrades of the LWDT actually like Zizek?


I don't, he's a silly troll, completely out of touch of reality, that even makes some racist comments at times. He's the syndrom of the "left" gone sick by staying its microcosm, forgetting that marxism is _scientific_ socialism, and losing grasp at reality.
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Postby Lavochkin » Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:41 am

Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
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