Left-Wing Discussion Thread

[The balkens]

Civilization?

You mean mankinds greatest invention?

But Balk, how could you not want to live like an animal, or a tribal who has to gather food every day?

do i look like some feral animal?

[Gatito]

But Balk, how could you not want to live like an animal, or a tribal who has to gather food every day?

do i look like some feral animal?

*looks at flag*

yes

[The Grene Knyght]

But Balk, how could you not want to live like an animal, or a tribal who has to gather food every day?

do i look like some feral animal?

Do you want an honest answer, or..?

[The Liberated Territories]

The "radical freedom" joke entails robbing banks
cmon who doesn't want to do that
I mean, I don't, right now, but if ever I decided I wanted to commit suicide it would be after a hella sick bank heist

Bankers and police sure don't.

I was joking about the "radical freedom" of wage labor...which is what it seemed TLT was defending there, but he didn't link Pruss's actual post.

If you were to defend a social order which gives unlimited power to the individual, then you would have to defend a social order that gives some individuals the opportunity to "oppress" other individuals. For the first person to come along and set up a state can merely declare that he was doing it out of radical freedom because he is the biggest, toughest, or most influential kid on the block. Fortunately as individuals we can direct the power of the state to do justice instead of harm, but know that a state will occur in any scenario as individuals will organize to protect their rights regardless. And this is the type of social order that is desirable to the state as a bully.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Unsure.

Hey, as long as you're anti-state and anti-capitalism, you're fine in my books.

No fucking comrade of mine.

Primivism is not only fucking terrible, it's ableist - to a murderous degree - and even sexist. It very well might be the single most extreme form of reactionary ideology.

[Bakery Hill]

Hey, as long as you're anti-state and anti-capitalism, you're fine in my books.

No fucking comrade of mine.

Primivism is not only fucking terrible, it's ableist - to a murderous degree - and even sexist. It very well might be the single most extreme form of reactionary ideology.

Who cares though? What harm can a primitivist do? You're not going to see primitivists taking power or anything? You won't even see a mass voluntary movement of primitivists. So if old mate wants to go up into the backwoods and never shave again, is there anything wrong with that?

[Osfjoll]

Hey, as long as you're anti-state and anti-capitalism, you're fine in my books.

No fucking comrade of mine.

Primivism is not only fucking terrible, it's ableist - to a murderous degree - and even sexist. It very well might be the single most extreme form of reactionary ideology.

AnPrims: More reactionary than Evolakids, Hitler, monarchs and klepotocrats!

[Prussia-Steinbach]

To sum it all up: When one's choice is to work or die - "[Insert Anything] or have your existence terminated" - it isn't a fucking choice.

Sure it is. Radical freedom.

You should be fucking ashamed. Using a term invented by Sartre, for an argument more suited to that repugnant little cumbubble Nozick? That's just wrong.

Shit, Jean-Paul's rolling so hard in his grave, it woke up Simone. Oh, Christ, now she's wandered off. Probably looking for some different zombie dick. Now look what you've done, you bastard.

I was joking about the "radical freedom" of wage labor...which is what it seemed TLT was defending there, but he didn't link Pruss's actual post.

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[Kubra]

No fucking comrade of mine.

Primivism is not only fucking terrible, it's ableist - to a murderous degree - and even sexist. It very well might be the single most extreme form of reactionary ideology.

Who cares though? What harm can a primitivist do? You're not going to see primitivists taking power or anything? You won't even see a mass voluntary movement of primitivists. So if old mate wants to go up into the backwoods and never shave again, is there anything wrong with that?

there's a fun bit of history where pol pot took over the Cambodian air force and had the jets disassembled for scrap
It's like "yo what are you gonna resist imperialism with now idiot"
Primo usually involves an eschatology, as opposed to a praxis.

[Bakery Hill]

Who cares though? What harm can a primitivist do? You're not going to see primitivists taking power or anything? You won't even see a mass voluntary movement of primitivists. So if old mate wants to go up into the backwoods and never shave again, is there anything wrong with that?

there's a fun bit of history where pol pot took over the Cambodian air force and had the jets disassembled for scrap
It's like "yo what are you gonna resist imperialism with now idiot"
Primo usually involves an eschatology, as opposed to a praxis.

Yeah exactly, its impractical in the extreme, and can only come into practice when a society is completely falling apart.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

No fucking comrade of mine.

Primivism is not only fucking terrible, it's ableist - to a murderous degree - and even sexist. It very well might be the single most extreme form of reactionary ideology.

AnPrims: More reactionary than Evolakids, Hitler, monarchs and klepotocrats!

...yes?

Do you know anything about history? Evola and Hitler both lived (the vast majority of) their lives in the 20th century; also, both began developing and spreading their ideas in the `1930's. You are aware of this...?

What even...? How the fuck is kleptocracy reactionary? Government corruption has nothing to do with its political tendency.

Shit, even with monarchy, the most primitive forms originated around 3000 BC, only in Sumer and Egypt, it took a damn good chunk of time for it to completely dominate world political systems.

Monarchy, at the very best, wants to "react back" five thousand years. As a general tendency, they primarily want the status quo ante the age of bourgeois revolution - 1776 to late 1800's, I'd say.

You want to react twice as fucking much as someone who wants to reinstall a pre-biblical kingdom run by pharaohs. You want the status quo ante the Neolithic Revolution. Like, holy shit.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

No fucking comrade of mine.

Primivism is not only fucking terrible, it's ableist - to a murderous degree - and even sexist. It very well might be the single most extreme form of reactionary ideology.

Who cares though? What harm can a primitivist do? You're not going to see primitivists taking power or anything? You won't even see a mass voluntary movement of primitivists. So if old mate wants to go up into the backwoods and never shave again, is there anything wrong with that?

I didn't say they were a threat. I said they are no comrades of mine. Advocating a society where you'd leave my brother to starve to death in the woods as an infant or toddler is something I do not react well to. Not to mention the fact they stand against literally everything fucking good we've ever created, and everything most libsocs are aiming for - we want everyone to have full, expansive educations. High quality healthcare for all. But nah, some people think we should all live on piles of dirt, fuck soggy potatoes and start dying from polio again.

[Bakery Hill]

Who cares though? What harm can a primitivist do? You're not going to see primitivists taking power or anything? You won't even see a mass voluntary movement of primitivists. So if old mate wants to go up into the backwoods and never shave again, is there anything wrong with that?

I didn't say they were a threat. I said they are no comrades of mine. Advocating a society where you'd leave my brother to starve to death in the woods as an infant or toddler is something I do not react well to. Not to mention the fact they stand against literally everything fucking good we've ever created, and everything most libsocs are aiming for - we want everyone to have full, expansive educations. High quality healthcare for all. But nah, some people think we should all live on piles of dirt, fuck soggy potatoes and start dying from polio again.

Ah that's fair enough, not going to argue against any of that.

[Vashty]

Who cares though? What harm can a primitivist do? You're not going to see primitivists taking power or anything? You won't even see a mass voluntary movement of primitivists. So if old mate wants to go up into the backwoods and never shave again, is there anything wrong with that?

I didn't say they were a threat. I said they are no comrades of mine. Advocating a society where you'd leave my brother to starve to death in the woods as an infant or toddler is something I do not react well to. Not to mention the fact they stand against literally everything fucking good we've ever created, and everything most libsocs are aiming for - we want everyone to have full, expansive educations. High quality healthcare for all. But nah, some people think we should all live on piles of dirt, fuck soggy potatoes and start dying from polio again.

sounds like birkenhead

only messing - try North Sentinel Island - primitivism is fucking bollocks

all primitivists need to go there, although i believe its illegal sooo....birkinhead?

[MERIZoC]

Anarchist.

Oh yeah, same.

Anarcho-primitivism, eco-anarchism, insurrectionary anarchism, illegalism are all ideas I like.

primmie!

[Yuchal]

We need to go further and react harder than anarcho-primitivism. We must abolish all states of matter and all states of being to free reality from the tyranny of molecular bondage. Status quo ante before creation. Anarcho-nihilism.

[Greater Beggnig]

We need to go further and react harder than anarcho-primitivism. We must abolish all states of matter and all states of being to free reality from the tyranny of molecular bondage. Status quo ante before creation. Anarcho-nihilism.

Sounds pretty spooky tbh.

[Vashty]

We need to go further and react harder than anarcho-primitivism. We must abolish all states of matter and all states of being to free reality from the tyranny of molecular bondage. Status quo ante before creation. Anarcho-nihilism.

we need to go back to something that could only be produced via extremely technologically advanced means?

[Dagashi Shojo]

To be honest, I feel sorry for the liberal arts college students (excuse me, "vanguard of the revolution") when the proletarian revolution finally happens. That means they'll actually have to get jobs and work like the rest of the proletariat instead of constantly getting high and using "protesting" the bourgeois exploitation of the worker as a means to get out of their fair share of national labor.

[Shonburg]

But Balk, how could you not want to live like an animal, or a tribal who has to gather food every day?

do i look like some feral animal?

Spartacus?

[Dagashi Shojo]

But Balk, how could you not want to live like an animal, or a tribal who has to gather food every day?

do i look like some feral animal?

Do you really want me to answer that question?

[The Grene Knyght]

To be honest, I feel sorry for the liberal arts college students (excuse me, "vanguard of the revolution") when the proletarian revolution finally happens. That means they'll actually have to get jobs and work like the rest of the proletariat instead of constantly getting high and using "protesting" the bourgeois exploitation of the worker as a means to get out of their fair share of national labor.

I'm an anarchist. I'm an arts student. I also work over 40 hours a week at a minimum wage job.
Arts student and working class are not mutually exclusive.

[Bakery Hill]

To be honest, I feel sorry for the liberal arts college students (excuse me, "vanguard of the revolution") when the proletarian revolution finally happens. That means they'll actually have to get jobs and work like the rest of the proletariat instead of constantly getting high and using "protesting" the bourgeois exploitation of the worker as a means to get out of their fair share of national labor.

Maybe a little bit of a stereotype there haha?

[Northern Davincia]

To be honest, I feel sorry for the liberal arts college students (excuse me, "vanguard of the revolution") when the proletarian revolution finally happens. That means they'll actually have to get jobs and work like the rest of the proletariat instead of constantly getting high and using "protesting" the bourgeois exploitation of the worker as a means to get out of their fair share of national labor.

Maybe a little bit of a stereotype there haha?

In what way is she wrong?

[The Grene Knyght]

Maybe a little bit of a stereotype there haha?

In what way is she wrong?

Pretty much all of them, in my experience.